Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

Yes. Really. And, water is wet.

Time to get back on your meds. You WIN at being psychotic.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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It's better to reef a bit early than reef a bit late.



Wow. Really? Next you'll tell us that water is wet.
You should write a book called...

GAYANZY'S QUEER SAIL FOR THE GAY MALE

I guess that would be an autobiography in your case!

Bwahahahaha!

RB

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

Nope... I don't race. :-)

Oz wrote in message ...
On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 13:24:38 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
scribbled thusly:

I mean are you kidding yourself racing a sailboat?? What's your max
speed on a mono... 8 kts? My old, dead VW could go faster than that.
And, all the screaming? Who needs it. Now if you're talking multi, then
well, ok.

Screaming?
You're sailing with the wrong people!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

"Nav" wrote in message
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Donal wrote:

Oz wrote in message ...

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 02:23:30 -0000, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:

Maybe. I just know that she goes faster when we reef earlier.

What is that boat Donal...A First around 32'?


Yes, it's a F33.7.


In a normal sea, when would you consider a reef necessary?


On a beat, about 18 kts apparent. On a beam reach, [hmmmm] say 25
kts.



18 for a reef beating? Bit early I'd say. While Farr is known for tender
boats yours isn't that tenmder is it?


Oh, sh&te!!!

I'm really not sure. ........... Up until two years ago, I always displayed
"true" speed on the wind instrument. Then I decided that "apparent" was
more important.

So, I really don't know if I'm talking about True or Apparent. I can
remember reefing at 18 kts, but I don't know if that was before, or after I
changed the display.

18 App sounds like 13 true. I'm fairly sure that we do *not* reef in 13
kts.


Sorry for the confusion.

You can probably answer the question from my reaction to one of the photos
that I looked at.
http://www.sailaustralia.com.au/imag..._33-racing.jpg

That looks like fairly reasonable sailing to me. I would prefer to have the
boat a bit more vertical, but it isn't always possible.

Two years ago we had a 7 hour beat in a F7 when we were heeled over much
more (the ports were 50% submerged). I'm sure that we could have gone
faster if we could have got the boat more vertical, but we couldn't. Why?
I'm not sure, but the seas were awkward, - the boat doesn't have a huge
amount of momentum, ..... maybe we would have stopped every time that we
"slammed" if we had less power from the sails?????


Regards


Donal
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Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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That's a cruiser line Jon.
On a racer in building winds, you hang on as late as possible.


No, it's a wimp's line. Too much wind? That's what 45% heel and 3 knots
VMG is
for!

Good grief!

I've never seen Bobsprit in a sailing thread before.

We should all offer our heartfelt congratulations to Bob on this momentous
occasion. His first sailing post!!!

Who knows where this might lead? Maybe a 5 mile trip(without hitting a
rock), perhaps?

Mooron would be rendered speechless!

Regards


Donal
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Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

I had that 5 hours ago!

Cheers

Oz wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 09:56:09 +1300, Nav
scribbled thusly:


Hey I beat your post by 9 minutes!

Cheers


Yeah, but I've had a shower and a cup of coffee..espresso!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

"Nav" wrote in message
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Donal wrote:
snip


We've done that a couple of times. Better than sex!! I've reported it
here. The last time, some of the crew didn't understand why 8.5 kts was
so
fantastic. They pointed out that we had done 12 kts earlier in the
day....
They didn't understand that we were doing 8.5 kts *into* wind - in a 33
ft
boat!


That's fast for your WL alright. What was the windspeed and how does it
compare to your polars?



Wind was about 17kts(T). Polars say 6.6 kts. The water was unusually flat.

I think that you know the Solent, so I'll explain the circumstances. Maybe
you can make sense of them.

We were returning from Cherbourg. The wind had been WSW, F3-4-5.....
absolutely perfect. The wind eased as we approached the Isle of Wight.
The fun started shortly after we rounded Bembridge ledge. The wind moved
round to WNW, or NW, and built. Thus we had relatively flat water (12").
Suddenly, we were sailing a dinghy. I took the mainsheet, and I was working
like mad.

After reading this thread, I'm wondering if I should have been using the
traveller, instead of the mainsheet. However, the travellor isn't as easy
to control.



Regards



Donal
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Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

"Nav" wrote in message
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And that is between 25 -30 degrees?


Is it?



Regards

Donal
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Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

Donal wrote:

After reading this thread, I'm wondering if I should have been using the
traveller, instead of the mainsheet. However, the travellor isn't as easy
to control.

If you want to race you need to get that travellor set up properly. Mine
has 5x puchase by plastic ball raced blocks I rebuilt on the car and at
the ends of the travellor. The travellor is recirculating balls and that
needs to be kept salt crystal free. The purchase is probably more than
you would need but for us it means that you can hike the car to windward
by hand so it's fast. Watch out letting it down -it's easy to get a burn
on the thinner line we use for the car.

Cheers

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

Donal wrote:

"Nav" wrote in message
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And that is between 25 -30 degrees?



Is it?

Say 1' of freeboard - I'd guess that's nearing 30 degrees. What do you
think?

Cheers

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

The guy who used to helm for me, wouldn't reef until about 23Kts + on a
beat.

Fine for some boats but not others. Every boat is different.
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