Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

“The starting point when dimensioning the rig is to calculate the
righting moment. It is commonly agreed that a heel angle of 30o is a
good design angle. This corresponds to a reasonably high wind strength
with the sails still generating high loads and the boat making good
speed through the water. Letting the boat heel over more....in reality
means a slower boat owing to increased resistance, with a
correspondingly smaller dynamic force.”

Principles of Yacht Design Larsson & Eliasson Adlard Coles 1994

Cheers

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

Nav wrote:
“The starting point when dimensioning the rig is to calculate the
righting moment. It is commonly agreed that a heel angle of 30o is a
good design angle. This corresponds to a reasonably high wind strength
with the sails still generating high loads and the boat making good
speed through the water. Letting the boat heel over more....in reality
means a slower boat owing to increased resistance, with a
correspondingly smaller dynamic force.”

Principles of Yacht Design Larsson & Eliasson Adlard Coles 1994


Funny, you picked almost the exact same words I would have

"Letting the boat heel over more....in reality means a slower boat owing
to increased resistance, with a correspondingly smaller dynamic force.”"

They're talking about stressing the rig, not best sailing efficiency.

DSK

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

DSK wrote:

Nav wrote:

“The starting point when dimensioning the rig is to calculate the
righting moment. It is commonly agreed that a heel angle of 30o is a
good design angle. This corresponds to a reasonably high wind strength
with the sails still generating high loads and the boat making good
speed through the water. Letting the boat heel over more....in reality
means a slower boat owing to increased resistance, with a
correspondingly smaller dynamic force.”

Principles of Yacht Design Larsson & Eliasson Adlard Coles 1994



Funny, you picked almost the exact same words I would have

"Letting the boat heel over more....in reality means a slower boat owing
to increased resistance, with a correspondingly smaller dynamic force.”"

They're talking about stressing the rig, not best sailing efficiency.


Note the _more_!!!! Now, who's talking efficiency? We were talking about
powered up! (I now accept that you may have no idea what that means).
Now define effciency for us so we can be sure that we are going to speak
the same language if you want to discuss efficiency.

Cheers

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

Nav wrote:
Note the _more_!!!! Now, who's talking efficiency? We were talking about
powered up! (I now accept that you may have no idea what that means).
Now define effciency for us so we can be sure that we are going to speak
the same language if you want to discuss efficiency.

I would say that "greatest sailing efficiency" could be defined as the
conditions (both weather and sail) that provided the highest VMG to
windward possible for that design.

Do the newest IACC boats go the fastest at 30 degrees of heel? That is
what you seem to be saying.

For most boats, the polars show the highest VMG in the 10 to 15 knot
wind range and sailing conditions of less than 20 degrees of heel. As I
said, narrow boats like to heel more but I'd be surprised if it were
that much more. I'm not very familiar with the last generation IACC boat
polars, maybe there are some on line.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

"Nav" wrote in message
...
“The starting point when dimensioning the rig is to calculate the
righting moment. It is commonly agreed that a heel angle of 30o is a
good design angle. This corresponds to a reasonably high wind strength
with the sails still generating high loads and the boat making good
speed through the water.

That doesn't sound right to me.

My boat definitely performs better at a smaller angle of heel. I'd say 15 -
20o. Beyond 20o, performance begins to suffer.

Of course, some boats are designed to sail well when keeled over. Some of
the mini TransAts have keels that are adjustable sideways, *and* also have
an adjustable angle of attack!!! These keels are known as "3D" keels.



Regards


Donal
--

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

No nno no. You must be wrong. Doughn says it's 12 degrees heel thats best.

But seriously, I'm just quoting reference texts. As you boat is a Farr,
I suggest she'll will go faster at closer to 30 degrees heel beating
than if you ease off the sails and stand her up to just 20 degrees. Look
at your instruments. Try it and get back to me. You'll need 20 knots of
wind of course nand don't forget to lower the traveller if the helm is
getting too much.

Cheers

Donal wrote:

"Nav" wrote in message
...

“The starting point when dimensioning the rig is to calculate the
righting moment. It is commonly agreed that a heel angle of 30o is a
good design angle. This corresponds to a reasonably high wind strength
with the sails still generating high loads and the boat making good
speed through the water.


That doesn't sound right to me.

My boat definitely performs better at a smaller angle of heel. I'd say 15 -
20o. Beyond 20o, performance begins to suffer.

Of course, some boats are designed to sail well when keeled over. Some of
the mini TransAts have keels that are adjustable sideways, *and* also have
an adjustable angle of attack!!! These keels are known as "3D" keels.



Regards


Donal
--

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

Oz wrote:

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 00:30:12 -0000, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:


That doesn't sound right to me.

My boat definitely performs better at a smaller angle of heel. I'd say 15 -
20o. Beyond 20o, performance begins to suffer.


Upwind?
Nah, closer to 30 than 20 I'm sure.

Then again, you've always maintained that you're a novice.
Crank it on, heel her over and balance her up.
You should nearly be able to steer her with the traveller...Honest!



No you've got it wrong Oz, just like these guys

http://www.yachtsoft.com/IMAGES/eagle1.jpg

Doug assures us that anthing over 12 degrees must be bad.

But seriously, would you say that in most cases the optimum is about
where the rail starts to get close to the water so that it's wet but to
getting greenies?

Cheers

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

Nav wrote:



Oz wrote:

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 00:30:12 -0000, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:


That doesn't sound right to me.

My boat definitely performs better at a smaller angle of heel. I'd
say 15 -
20o. Beyond 20o, performance begins to suffer.



Upwind?
Nah, closer to 30 than 20 I'm sure.

Then again, you've always maintained that you're a novice.
Crank it on, heel her over and balance her up.
You should nearly be able to steer her with the traveller...Honest!



No you've got it wrong Oz, just like these guys

http://www.yachtsoft.com/IMAGES/eagle1.jpg

Doug assures us that anthing over 12 degrees must be bad.

But seriously, would you say that in most cases the optimum is about
where the rail starts to get close to the water so that it's wet but to
getting greenies?

Cheers

Damn tyo's. I mean:

But seriously, would you say that in most cases the optimum is about
where the rail starts to get close to the water so that it's wet but
not getting any greenies?


Cheers

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

Doug give it up. It's like pushing an overboiled noodle uphill. It's
fustrating, tedious and you know better.



"DSK" wrote in message
...
Nav wrote:
Note the _more_!!!! Now, who's talking efficiency? We were talking about
powered up! (I now accept that you may have no idea what that means).
Now define effciency for us so we can be sure that we are going to speak
the same language if you want to discuss efficiency.

I would say that "greatest sailing efficiency" could be defined as the
conditions (both weather and sail) that provided the highest VMG to
windward possible for that design.

Do the newest IACC boats go the fastest at 30 degrees of heel? That is
what you seem to be saying.

For most boats, the polars show the highest VMG in the 10 to 15 knot
wind range and sailing conditions of less than 20 degrees of heel. As I
said, narrow boats like to heel more but I'd be surprised if it were
that much more. I'm not very familiar with the last generation IACC boat
polars, maybe there are some on line.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

Oz wrote in message ...
On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 00:30:12 -0000, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:

That doesn't sound right to me.

My boat definitely performs better at a smaller angle of heel. I'd say
15 -
20o. Beyond 20o, performance begins to suffer.

Upwind?
Nah, closer to 30 than 20 I'm sure.

Maybe. I just know that she goes faster when we reef earlier.


Then again, you've always maintained that you're a novice.
Crank it on, heel her over and balance her up.
You should nearly be able to steer her with the traveller...Honest!

We've done that a couple of times. Better than sex!! I've reported it
here. The last time, some of the crew didn't understand why 8.5 kts was so
fantastic. They pointed out that we had done 12 kts earlier in the day....
They didn't understand that we were doing 8.5 kts *into* wind - in a 33 ft
boat!




Regards


Donal
--

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

Donal wrote:

Oz wrote in message ...

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 00:30:12 -0000, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:


That doesn't sound right to me.

My boat definitely performs better at a smaller angle of heel. I'd say

15 -

20o. Beyond 20o, performance begins to suffer.

Upwind?
Nah, closer to 30 than 20 I'm sure.


Maybe. I just know that she goes faster when we reef earlier.


Then again, you've always maintained that you're a novice.
Crank it on, heel her over and balance her up.
You should nearly be able to steer her with the traveller...Honest!


We've done that a couple of times. Better than sex!! I've reported it
here. The last time, some of the crew didn't understand why 8.5 kts was so
fantastic. They pointed out that we had done 12 kts earlier in the day....
They didn't understand that we were doing 8.5 kts *into* wind - in a 33 ft
boat!


That's fast for your WL alright. What was the windspeed and how does it
compare to your polars?

Cheers

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

Donal wrote:

Oz wrote in message ...

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 00:30:12 -0000, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:


That doesn't sound right to me.

My boat definitely performs better at a smaller angle of heel. I'd say

15 -

20o. Beyond 20o, performance begins to suffer.

Upwind?
Nah, closer to 30 than 20 I'm sure.


Maybe. I just know that she goes faster when we reef earlier.


Then again, you've always maintained that you're a novice.
Crank it on, heel her over and balance her up.
You should nearly be able to steer her with the traveller...Honest!


We've done that a couple of times. Better than sex!! I've reported it
here. The last time, some of the crew didn't understand why 8.5 kts was so
fantastic. They pointed out that we had done 12 kts earlier in the day....
They didn't understand that we were doing 8.5 kts *into* wind - in a 33 ft
boat!



C'mon get her powered up like this:

http://www.swanyachtcharter.co.uk/im...07_sail11k.jpg
http://www.sailaustralia.com.au/imag..._33-racing.jpg

Cheers

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

DSK wrote:


For most boats, the polars show the highest VMG in the 10 to 15 knot
wind range and sailing conditions of less than 20 degrees of heel. As I
said, narrow boats like to heel more but I'd be surprised if it were
that much more. I'm not very familiar with the last generation IACC boat
polars, maybe there are some on line.



And what do these polars show at 20 knots? Most polars I've seen don't
show heel angles -yours do?

Cheers

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

The lack of wake might mean they are so far in front... No I've nver
bought anything from them. You?

Cheers

Oz wrote:

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 14:58:25 +1300, Nav
scribbled thusly:



No you've got it wrong Oz, just like these guys

http://www.yachtsoft.com/IMAGES/eagle1.jpg



Yeah well, that's why they're at the back of the fleet with no-one
behind em.

Hey, that's a good site..do you deal with them?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

It would be a big oval with a fake chimney to catch the wind. Perhaps
the polars have a red region where the crew choke on the fumes?

Cheers

Oz wrote:

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 15:52:45 +1300, Nav
scribbled thusly:

And what do these polars show at 20 knots? Most polars I've seen don't
show heel angles -yours do?

Cheers


Hmm interestin set of polars for a tugboat..would it just be a circle
or would it be an oval?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

Oz wrote in message ...
On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 02:23:30 -0000, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:

Maybe. I just know that she goes faster when we reef earlier.

What is that boat Donal...A First around 32'?

Yes, it's a F33.7.

In a normal sea, when would you consider a reef necessary?

On a beat, about 18 kts apparent. On a beam reach, [hmmmm] say 25 kts.



Most of the Bennys I've sailed like to carry more sail than less but
will require a quick hand on the traveller to keep them tracking thru
a gust.

The guy who used to helm for me, wouldn't reef until about 23Kts + on a
beat. IMO, that cost us dearly in the first couple of races. WE did quite
well once I became confident enough to take over sail trimming. However,
later I tried helming as well, and we slid back down the field.




We've done that a couple of times. Better than sex!! I've reported it
here. The last time, some of the crew didn't understand why 8.5 kts was
so
fantastic. They pointed out that we had done 12 kts earlier in the
day....
They didn't understand that we were doing 8.5 kts *into* wind - in a 33
ft
boat!

A couple of times?
Hell Donal, if you know it works, DO IT EVERY TIME!
With minor changes to suit te conditions of course


We need a reasonable offshore breeze to do it. The water has to be almost
flat. That really means a Northerly, which isn't that common.

Regards

Donal
--

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

On a beat, about 18 kts apparent. On a beam reach, [hmmmm] say 25 kts.



Holy crap!!!!!!!


RB

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

"Nav" wrote in message
...


Donal wrote:

Oz wrote in message ...

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 00:30:12 -0000, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:


That doesn't sound right to me.

My boat definitely performs better at a smaller angle of heel. I'd say

15 -

20o. Beyond 20o, performance begins to suffer.

Upwind?
Nah, closer to 30 than 20 I'm sure.


Maybe. I just know that she goes faster when we reef earlier.


Then again, you've always maintained that you're a novice.
Crank it on, heel her over and balance her up.
You should nearly be able to steer her with the traveller...Honest!


We've done that a couple of times. Better than sex!! I've reported it
here. The last time, some of the crew didn't understand why 8.5 kts was
so
fantastic. They pointed out that we had done 12 kts earlier in the
day....
They didn't understand that we were doing 8.5 kts *into* wind - in a 33
ft
boat!



C'mon get her powered up like this:

http://www.swanyachtcharter.co.uk/im...07_sail11k.jpg
http://www.sailaustralia.com.au/imag..._33-racing.jpg

What sort of angle is the boat in the second link?

We sail quite cofortably at that degree of heel. In fact, I don't think
that we have much choice in those conditions. I do try not to have any
more than that.


Oz,
To answer your comment about the traveller - unfortunately, I cannot make
it out. Either poor eyesight, or a poor screen!

In those conditions, I usually have the traveller on, or maybe slightly
above, the centreline.

Are you suggesting that I should lower it? Wouldn't that depower the sail?



Regards


Donal
--

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

Donal wrote:

Oz wrote in message ...

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 02:23:30 -0000, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:

Maybe. I just know that she goes faster when we reef earlier.

What is that boat Donal...A First around 32'?


Yes, it's a F33.7.


In a normal sea, when would you consider a reef necessary?


On a beat, about 18 kts apparent. On a beam reach, [hmmmm] say 25 kts.



18 for a reef beating? Bit early I'd say. While Farr is known for tender
boats yours isn't that tenmder is it?

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

And that is between 25 -30 degrees?

Cheers

Donal wrote:

"Nav" wrote in message
...


Donal wrote:


Oz wrote in message ...


On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 00:30:12 -0000, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:



That doesn't sound right to me.

My boat definitely performs better at a smaller angle of heel. I'd say

15 -


20o. Beyond 20o, performance begins to suffer.

Upwind?
Nah, closer to 30 than 20 I'm sure.


Maybe. I just know that she goes faster when we reef earlier.



Then again, you've always maintained that you're a novice.
Crank it on, heel her over and balance her up.
You should nearly be able to steer her with the traveller...Honest!


We've done that a couple of times. Better than sex!! I've reported it
here. The last time, some of the crew didn't understand why 8.5 kts was

so

fantastic. They pointed out that we had done 12 kts earlier in the

day....

They didn't understand that we were doing 8.5 kts *into* wind - in a 33

ft

boat!



C'mon get her powered up like this:

http://www.swanyachtcharter.co.uk/im...07_sail11k.jpg
http://www.sailaustralia.com.au/imag..._33-racing.jpg


What sort of angle is the boat in the second link?

We sail quite cofortably at that degree of heel. In fact, I don't think
that we have much choice in those conditions. I do try not to have any
more than that.


Oz,
To answer your comment about the traveller - unfortunately, I cannot make
it out. Either poor eyesight, or a poor screen!

In those conditions, I usually have the traveller on, or maybe slightly
above, the centreline.

Are you suggesting that I should lower it? Wouldn't that depower the sail?



Regards


Donal
--

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

In your case, it would be smelly crap.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
On a beat, about 18 kts apparent. On a beam reach, [hmmmm] say 25
kts.



Holy crap!!!!!!!


RB

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

It's better to reef a bit early than reef a bit late.

"Nav" wrote in message
...


Donal wrote:

Oz wrote in message ...

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 02:23:30 -0000, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:

Maybe. I just know that she goes faster when we reef earlier.

What is that boat Donal...A First around 32'?


Yes, it's a F33.7.


In a normal sea, when would you consider a reef necessary?


On a beat, about 18 kts apparent. On a beam reach, [hmmmm] say 25
kts.



18 for a reef beating? Bit early I'd say. While Farr is known for tender
boats yours isn't that tenmder is it?

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

Yes, but not when racing when you have the crew to reef fast...

Cheers

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
It's better to reef a bit early than reef a bit late.

"Nav" wrote in message
...


Donal wrote:


Oz wrote in message ...


On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 02:23:30 -0000, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:


Maybe. I just know that she goes faster when we reef earlier.

What is that boat Donal...A First around 32'?


Yes, it's a F33.7.



In a normal sea, when would you consider a reef necessary?


On a beat, about 18 kts apparent. On a beam reach, [hmmmm] say 25

kts.


18 for a reef beating? Bit early I'd say. While Farr is known for tender
boats yours isn't that tenmder is it?

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

Hey I beat your post by 9 minutes!

Cheers

Oz wrote:

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 12:36:19 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
scribbled thusly:


It's better to reef a bit early than reef a bit late.


That's a cruiser line Jon.
On a racer in building winds, you hang on as late as possible.
Lots of hands and good equipment make reefing a quick, unfussed
affair.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

Probably right, but I don't race.

"Nav" wrote in message
...
Yes, but not when racing when you have the crew to reef fast...

Cheers

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
It's better to reef a bit early than reef a bit late.

"Nav" wrote in message
...


Donal wrote:


Oz wrote in message
...


On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 02:23:30 -0000, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:


Maybe. I just know that she goes faster when we reef earlier.

What is that boat Donal...A First around 32'?


Yes, it's a F33.7.



In a normal sea, when would you consider a reef necessary?


On a beat, about 18 kts apparent. On a beam reach, [hmmmm] say 25

kts.


18 for a reef beating? Bit early I'd say. While Farr is known for tender
boats yours isn't that tenmder is it?

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

exactly... I don't race.

Oz wrote in message ...
On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 12:36:19 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
scribbled thusly:

It's better to reef a bit early than reef a bit late.

That's a cruiser line Jon.
On a racer in building winds, you hang on as late as possible.
Lots of hands and good equipment make reefing a quick, unfussed
affair.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

It's better to reef a bit early than reef a bit late.



Wow. Really? Next you'll tell us that water is wet.
You should write a book called...

GAYANZY'S QUEER SAIL FOR THE GAY MALE

I guess that would be an autobiography in your case!

Bwahahahaha!

RB

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

I mean are you kidding yourself racing a sailboat?? What's your max
speed on a mono... 8 kts? My old, dead VW could go faster than that.
And, all the screaming? Who needs it. Now if you're talking multi, then
well, ok.

"Nav" wrote in message
...
Hey I beat your post by 9 minutes!

Cheers

Oz wrote:

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 12:36:19 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
scribbled thusly:


It's better to reef a bit early than reef a bit late.


That's a cruiser line Jon.
On a racer in building winds, you hang on as late as possible.
Lots of hands and good equipment make reefing a quick, unfussed
affair.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

That's a cruiser line Jon.
On a racer in building winds, you hang on as late as possible.


No, it's a wimp's line. Too much wind? That's what 45% heel and 3 knots VMG is
for!


RB

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

How would you know? You don't sail.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
That's a cruiser line Jon.
On a racer in building winds, you hang on as late as possible.


No, it's a wimp's line. Too much wind? That's what 45% heel and 3 knots
VMG is
for!


RB

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

Yes. Really. And, water is wet.

Time to get back on your meds. You WIN at being psychotic.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
It's better to reef a bit early than reef a bit late.



Wow. Really? Next you'll tell us that water is wet.
You should write a book called...

GAYANZY'S QUEER SAIL FOR THE GAY MALE

I guess that would be an autobiography in your case!

Bwahahahaha!

RB

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

Nope... I don't race. :-)

Oz wrote in message ...
On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 13:24:38 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
scribbled thusly:

I mean are you kidding yourself racing a sailboat?? What's your max
speed on a mono... 8 kts? My old, dead VW could go faster than that.
And, all the screaming? Who needs it. Now if you're talking multi, then
well, ok.

Screaming?
You're sailing with the wrong people!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

"Nav" wrote in message
...


Donal wrote:

Oz wrote in message ...

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 02:23:30 -0000, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:

Maybe. I just know that she goes faster when we reef earlier.

What is that boat Donal...A First around 32'?


Yes, it's a F33.7.


In a normal sea, when would you consider a reef necessary?


On a beat, about 18 kts apparent. On a beam reach, [hmmmm] say 25
kts.



18 for a reef beating? Bit early I'd say. While Farr is known for tender
boats yours isn't that tenmder is it?


Oh, sh&te!!!

I'm really not sure. ........... Up until two years ago, I always displayed
"true" speed on the wind instrument. Then I decided that "apparent" was
more important.

So, I really don't know if I'm talking about True or Apparent. I can
remember reefing at 18 kts, but I don't know if that was before, or after I
changed the display.

18 App sounds like 13 true. I'm fairly sure that we do *not* reef in 13
kts.


Sorry for the confusion.

You can probably answer the question from my reaction to one of the photos
that I looked at.
http://www.sailaustralia.com.au/imag..._33-racing.jpg

That looks like fairly reasonable sailing to me. I would prefer to have the
boat a bit more vertical, but it isn't always possible.

Two years ago we had a 7 hour beat in a F7 when we were heeled over much
more (the ports were 50% submerged). I'm sure that we could have gone
faster if we could have got the boat more vertical, but we couldn't. Why?
I'm not sure, but the seas were awkward, - the boat doesn't have a huge
amount of momentum, ..... maybe we would have stopped every time that we
"slammed" if we had less power from the sails?????


Regards


Donal
--

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
That's a cruiser line Jon.
On a racer in building winds, you hang on as late as possible.


No, it's a wimp's line. Too much wind? That's what 45% heel and 3 knots
VMG is
for!

Good grief!

I've never seen Bobsprit in a sailing thread before.

We should all offer our heartfelt congratulations to Bob on this momentous
occasion. His first sailing post!!!

Who knows where this might lead? Maybe a 5 mile trip(without hitting a
rock), perhaps?

Mooron would be rendered speechless!

Regards


Donal
--

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

I had that 5 hours ago!

Cheers

Oz wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 09:56:09 +1300, Nav
scribbled thusly:


Hey I beat your post by 9 minutes!

Cheers


Yeah, but I've had a shower and a cup of coffee..espresso!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

"Nav" wrote in message
...


Donal wrote:
snip


We've done that a couple of times. Better than sex!! I've reported it
here. The last time, some of the crew didn't understand why 8.5 kts was
so
fantastic. They pointed out that we had done 12 kts earlier in the
day....
They didn't understand that we were doing 8.5 kts *into* wind - in a 33
ft
boat!


That's fast for your WL alright. What was the windspeed and how does it
compare to your polars?



Wind was about 17kts(T). Polars say 6.6 kts. The water was unusually flat.

I think that you know the Solent, so I'll explain the circumstances. Maybe
you can make sense of them.

We were returning from Cherbourg. The wind had been WSW, F3-4-5.....
absolutely perfect. The wind eased as we approached the Isle of Wight.
The fun started shortly after we rounded Bembridge ledge. The wind moved
round to WNW, or NW, and built. Thus we had relatively flat water (12").
Suddenly, we were sailing a dinghy. I took the mainsheet, and I was working
like mad.

After reading this thread, I'm wondering if I should have been using the
traveller, instead of the mainsheet. However, the travellor isn't as easy
to control.



Regards



Donal
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Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

"Nav" wrote in message
...
And that is between 25 -30 degrees?


Is it?



Regards

Donal
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Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

Donal wrote:

After reading this thread, I'm wondering if I should have been using the
traveller, instead of the mainsheet. However, the travellor isn't as easy
to control.

If you want to race you need to get that travellor set up properly. Mine
has 5x puchase by plastic ball raced blocks I rebuilt on the car and at
the ends of the travellor. The travellor is recirculating balls and that
needs to be kept salt crystal free. The purchase is probably more than
you would need but for us it means that you can hike the car to windward
by hand so it's fast. Watch out letting it down -it's easy to get a burn
on the thinner line we use for the car.

Cheers

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

Donal wrote:

"Nav" wrote in message
...

And that is between 25 -30 degrees?



Is it?

Say 1' of freeboard - I'd guess that's nearing 30 degrees. What do you
think?

Cheers

Whats good about 30 degrees heel anyway?
 

The guy who used to helm for me, wouldn't reef until about 23Kts + on a
beat.

Fine for some boats but not others. Every boat is different.
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