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Geez... you got a hill there and you ain't tobbaganing? You should see the
run I built here... ramps and moguls. I wrapped the base of the trees with
grain bags filled with straw this year through deadman's slalom.

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| Not yet, supposed to start around midnight, snow through Tues. morn.
Stacked
| a cord of wood today, put the truck at the top 'o da hill. Serviced the
| tractor. I'm ready......God I hate winter.
|
| Scotty
|
|
| "Scout" wrote in message
| ...
| hey Scotty,
| snowin' there yet?
| Scout
|
| "Scott Vernon" wrote in message
| ...
| Why? they seem to like the house just fine.
|
| Scotty
|
| "Donal" wrote
| uh.....have I mentioned that I built my 50' x 30' barn all by
| myself?
|
|
| I bet that you could house 8 sheep in there!
|
|
|
|

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
That's an awesome statement from someone who can't tell a buffer from a
grinder and uses the grinder to "buff hulls"...

No yard on the planet uses a buffer on a hull, Mooron, at least not one
I've
ever seen. They use big grinders with polish wheels. Polishers don't get
the
job done,

Oh dear!

Get a proper polisher. They do the job just fine!

A toy B&D won't do the job, but a professional polisher will do a 32 footer
in an afternoon.

My club has a proper polisher, and I can testify that it gets the job done
in a fraction of the time.


Regards



Donal
--

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You were riding today?!? Man, you got bigger ones than me!
Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Scotty


"Scout" wrote in message
...
nah, I don't like to winterize them, so I take them out even in the cold,
I
rode for an hour this afternoon - beats hooking up the battery chargers! I
should have said "got them under cover" as opposed to "covered" them (i.e.
garage).
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Your bikes are outside? All the time?

Scotty

"Scout" wrote in message
...
yep - changed the oil in the snowblower, picked up milk and bread,
covered
the bikes, gassed up the 4WD - so bring on the snow - wooohoooo!
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Not yet, supposed to start around midnight, snow through Tues. morn.
Stacked
a cord of wood today, put the truck at the top 'o da hill. Serviced
the
tractor. I'm ready......God I hate winter.

Scotty


"Scout" wrote in message
...
hey Scotty,
snowin' there yet?
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Why? they seem to like the house just fine.

Scotty

"Donal" wrote
uh.....have I mentioned that I built my 50' x 30' barn all
by
myself?


I bet that you could house 8 sheep in there!

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Geez... you got a hill there and you ain't tobbaganing?

the neighbor kids do.


I wrapped the base of the trees with
grain bags filled with straw this year through deadman's slalom.

getting soft in your old age?

Better watch it, don't want to rip any muscle tissue. Ha ha he he ho

SV

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"Donal" wrote in message

| My club has a proper polisher, and I can testify that it gets the job done
| in a fraction of the time.


But Bob claims all marinas use "Grinders"... big professional grade
grinders.

CM

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lol, there was significant shrinkage!
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
You were riding today?!? Man, you got bigger ones than me!
Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Scotty


"Scout" wrote in message
...
nah, I don't like to winterize them, so I take them out even in the
cold,
I
rode for an hour this afternoon - beats hooking up the battery chargers!
I
should have said "got them under cover" as opposed to "covered" them
(i.e.
garage).
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Your bikes are outside? All the time?

Scotty

"Scout" wrote in message
...
yep - changed the oil in the snowblower, picked up milk and bread,
covered
the bikes, gassed up the 4WD - so bring on the snow - wooohoooo!
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Not yet, supposed to start around midnight, snow through Tues.
morn.
Stacked
a cord of wood today, put the truck at the top 'o da hill.
Serviced
the
tractor. I'm ready......God I hate winter.

Scotty


"Scout" wrote in message
...
hey Scotty,
snowin' there yet?
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Why? they seem to like the house just fine.

Scotty

"Donal" wrote
uh.....have I mentioned that I built my 50' x 30' barn all
by
myself?


I bet that you could house 8 sheep in there!

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On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:13:04 GMT, "Scout"
wrote this crap:

It's true.
I mounted a prop on my Makita and use it as an outboard to maneuver into my
slip.

I put an old fan blade on mine, and use it when the wind dies to keep
my sails full.





This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

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If you had a decent boat, you wouldn't have to do that.

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:13:04 GMT, "Scout"
wrote this crap:

It's true.
I mounted a prop on my Makita and use it as an outboard to maneuver into
my
slip.

I put an old fan blade on mine, and use it when the wind dies to keep
my sails full.





This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

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Hey Guys,

What in the hell are you doing to your boats that you are wering out
drills? Even Nutsy, with the 1/4 century old "Derelict" shouldn't be
drilling more than a dozen holes a year! Please enlighten me?

I have an inverter and have a dremel I use on 120 v. I have it because
of the flexible shaft and the case. If I use it to drill a 1/4" hole
it's to drill a pilot hole and enlarge it with an old fashion Hand Drill
(No batteries) I can't remember the last time I've used either one.

Why is a commercal drill necessary on one boat?

Ole Thom

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yep - changed the oil in the snowblower,


Let's hope it's not a Ryobi.

RB

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You were riding today?!? Man, you got bigger ones than me!

So do the Olson twins.

RB

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So, tell us bob, what have you built?


More of a question of what I've rebuilt.

RB

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Scotty, Tools don't make the man, the man makes the tool.

Unless of course he has no tools.


RB

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$250 for a B&D............what a dummy!


Black and decker used to build large expensive tools, such as grinders and saws
in the 3-4 hundred dollar price range. Go ask mr. Ryobi.

Bwahahahaha!

RB

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I'm gonna hold out for a professional grade B&D.

They don't make them anymore and you can't afford anything professional, unless
your wife gives you a discount.

Sheep to the slaugher, folks!

RB

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message

I buy the Dewalt refurbished tools at half the price of a new model

Same here. I bought a refurbished Dewalt RO sander about ten years ago.
Even after doing a complete bottom job on a previous ketch--sanding the gel
down to a very thin layer followed by epoxy barrier coats and
antifouling--it still runs fine. Recently I bought a Porter Cable
right-angle RO sander for the same job, upcoming on the current boat. It
theoretically should be quite a bit more durable, but I doubt if it will be
any better after the job is finished than the Dewalt.

Max

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message

Sorry, Mooron, I buy tools that last.

I bought a Ryobi 18V 1/2" drill, and it still is working perfectly after
several years of moderate use. But it's hard to argue with buying good
quality tools. I bought a Fein detail sander yesterday at a woodworking
show. It should last forever.

Max

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message

An eleven year old Black & Decker????? Bwahahahahahahahahhaaa

Hate to pop your balloon, Capt., but B&D did make some professional-grade
tools a while back. They weren't cheap, and they were top-notch. It's only
been within the past decade that B&D went the cheap consumer tool route.

Max

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message

....
I asked the clerk what the difference was between
the two.... he said the colour of the case and the price. Bob would have
bought the yellow case.... I bought the orange one. ;-D

I'm afraid the clerk is wrong. Dewalt still uses different motors from B&D
and
are rated for a longer lifespan.

Bingo. I just figured out how you post fifty or more times to this NG. You
don't read 'em. CM was talking about bits, not power tools. The cases were
the plastic boxes in which the bits came.

Max

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What in the hell are you doing to your boats that you are wering out
drills?


Why are you spoiling the fun? A 20 dollar el-cheapo drill is all you need on a
boat. I use a 49.99 Black and Decker. It's been aboard Ghost and Alien for 4
years. That's more than enough for a boat drill.
But look how I made Mooron and the other pinheads jump and play!

Hooooh ahhhh!

RB

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Geeze, what a bunch of crap, get the most powerful De Walt you can justify
paying for and a pocket inverter. Also get an extra battery. I use them
every day in my job, you cannot beat De Walt for service, availability and
initial quality.
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Boats-r-US has a Seafit 12v drill on sale. Is there a 12v drill which
will
run and/or charge off your boat batteries?

Scott Vernon
Plowville PA __/)__/)__

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But it's hard to argue with buying good
quality tools.


Not if you're Scotty the Chump...er...I mean CHEAP!

RB

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Hate to pop your balloon, Capt., but B&D did make some professional-grade
tools a while back. They weren't cheap, and they were top-notch. It's only
been within the past decade that B&D went the cheap consumer tool route.

Yup. The grinder is massive and a bit hard to handle, but it's built great. I
don't know what I'd have to spend to get something like it now. Probably 300 or
more I suppose.

RB

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No they don't.
"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
That's an awesome statement from someone who can't tell a buffer from a
grinder and uses the grinder to "buff hulls"...

No yard on the planet uses a buffer on a hull, Mooron, at least not one
I've
ever seen. They use big grinders with polish wheels. Polishers don't get
the
job done, except maybe on a new hull that hardly has any oxidation. I have
no
doubt that you own a silly automotive polisher and some of that colored
New-Wax!

Bwahahahahahaaha!

RB

RB

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Grinders spin way to fast.
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

"Donal" wrote in message

| My club has a proper polisher, and I can testify that it gets the job
done
| in a fraction of the time.


But Bob claims all marinas use "Grinders"... big professional grade
grinders.

CM

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Very true, I had a B&D Pirana, one of the first 12 volt models made. it was
one of the best drills I have ever owned, had it stolen 8 years ago.
"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message

An eleven year old Black & Decker????? Bwahahahahahahahahhaaa

Hate to pop your balloon, Capt., but B&D did make some professional-grade
tools a while back. They weren't cheap, and they were top-notch. It's
only
been within the past decade that B&D went the cheap consumer tool route.

Max

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ever hears of a B&D bobcat grinder? If not you havent been in much of a fab
shop.
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
A pro grinder, eh? WTF is that? I've been in a lot of big steel fab ,
machine shops & weld shops and can't recall ever seeing a B&D tool.

You lose!

SV


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Bob strikes me as the type of person to have a Hilti gun and no clue as
to
how to use it.... for the sole purpose to claim he has professional
grade
tools. Next he'll claim he only buys Milwaukee Tools!


Sorry, Mooron, I buy tools that last. I've had a B&D professional
grinder
for
11 years and used it on boat tasks for 9 years. My Porta Cable sander is
not
only durable, it also does a better job than others I've used. The
Makita
is a
film set standard for the setbuilders union and costs under 150.00. At
such a
small price why cheap out with a Ryobi? There's just no reason to not
have
the
better tool when the cost is so small.
As usual, you're not only wrong, but shown to be a cooked fish in the
process!
Enjoy your Walgreen Drill!!!

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB

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Just after you tighten the collett.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Since when do router bits have motors?

Scotty

"Bobsprit" wrote

I'm afraid the clerk is wrong. Dewalt still uses different motors from
B&D
and
are rated for a longer lifespan.

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Grinders spin way to fast.

Good lord. My B&D Grinder is 3000-7000 RPM. A brand new Porter Cable POLSIHER #
7336SP is 2500-6000 RPM.
Unless your boat is pretty new, you'll be using the upper RPM ranges once you
know how to handle it. Some grinders do up to 10'000 rpm fixed with NO load,
and even that's fine with a big pad. It slows down a lot when applying
wax/compound. Even skilled autoshops will use them, though paint buring is a
risk.
Sorry, BOB CARROL. I actually own and use these tools, so you can't come in and
hope to make crap up.
BUSTED AGAIN!

RB

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I hope you're not accusing bob of thievery.

"The Carrolls" wrote in message
...
Very true, I had a B&D Pirana, one of the first 12 volt models made. it
was
one of the best drills I have ever owned, had it stolen 8 years ago.
"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message

An eleven year old Black & Decker????? Bwahahahahahahahahhaaa

Hate to pop your balloon, Capt., but B&D did make some
professional-grade
tools a while back. They weren't cheap, and they were top-notch. It's
only
been within the past decade that B&D went the cheap consumer tool route.

Max

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Bob, I am a tinsmith and use these tools every day. A grinder has the lowest
speeds you state, and are way to fast for polishing, They also use a much
higher amperage draw than a polisher and will not slow as a polisher will
with pressure. They do not have a variable speed range and will burn
through any gell coat at their rated speeds, read the can a can of compound
from any reputible manufacturer such as 3M or Norton. I am not the one
busted here mister, I am the guy you see using these tools every day to
remove/clean up welds and prepare steel surfaces. If you wish to remove the
gel coat a grinder will work, but to polish, not with out an impossibly
light hand. Besides, read the owners manual and tell me you would polish
with a tool designed for "rapid stock removal with 80 to 100 grit paper and
swirl-free polishing with 120 to 150 grit paper" as stated in the manual on
page 7. These tools are for polishing metal to a high lustre, not for
cleaning up a GRP surface, unless of course you call removal of the gel coat
cleaning up. Go to http://www.porter-cable.com/index.asp for the manual. I
am sure that considering the rated amperage, 3.5 amps the tool you state
will slow enough to polish fine with a careful hand, but it is not a
professinoal grade grinder, it is a professional grade polisher, and
Poarer-Cables grinders use 7.3 to 15 amps and will not slow down enough for
GRP, a grinder is not for polishing a polisher or buffer is for polishing.
..ae=230&search_expr=7336SP&pg=0&search_posted_for m=1
"Bobsprit" wrote in message.
...
Grinders spin way to fast.

Good lord. My B&D Grinder is 3000-7000 RPM. A brand new Porter Cable
POLSIHER #
7336SP is 2500-6000 RPM.
Unless your boat is pretty new, you'll be using the upper RPM ranges once
you
know how to handle it. Some grinders do up to 10'000 rpm fixed with NO
load,
and even that's fine with a big pad. It slows down a lot when applying
wax/compound. Even skilled autoshops will use them, though paint buring is
a
risk.
Sorry, BOB CARROL. I actually own and use these tools, so you can't come
in and
hope to make crap up.
BUSTED AGAIN!

RB

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Nope.
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
I hope you're not accusing bob of thievery.

"The Carrolls" wrote in message
...
Very true, I had a B&D Pirana, one of the first 12 volt models made. it
was
one of the best drills I have ever owned, had it stolen 8 years ago.
"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message

An eleven year old Black & Decker????? Bwahahahahahahahahhaaa

Hate to pop your balloon, Capt., but B&D did make some
professional-grade
tools a while back. They weren't cheap, and they were top-notch.
It's
only
been within the past decade that B&D went the cheap consumer tool
route.

Max

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These also run at those speeds, but I don't think you will polish with these
either http://www.porter-cable.com/index.asp?e=547&p=2809
"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Grinders spin way to fast.

Good lord. My B&D Grinder is 3000-7000 RPM. A brand new Porter Cable
POLSIHER #
7336SP is 2500-6000 RPM.
Unless your boat is pretty new, you'll be using the upper RPM ranges once
you
know how to handle it. Some grinders do up to 10'000 rpm fixed with NO
load,
and even that's fine with a big pad. It slows down a lot when applying
wax/compound. Even skilled autoshops will use them, though paint buring is
a
risk.
Sorry, BOB CARROL. I actually own and use these tools, so you can't come
in and
hope to make crap up.
BUSTED AGAIN!

RB

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I first bought an 11 HP Craftsman snow-thrower but the belt broke on the
first run, I called Sears and they said, "no problem, but there's a 2-week
wait for a new belt." Naturally the snow (the big one of '96) wouldn't
wait for Sears to cough up a belt, so I took it back and got a Honda. It's
been running ever since with no problems.
Scout


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
yep - changed the oil in the snowblower,


Let's hope it's not a Ryobi.

RB

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Hey Thom, I put a pulley on the end of mine, and use the drill to raise and
lower the mainsail. It also attaches easily to the rudder (with tiller
removed), and turns the rudder nicely; just need to remember that "Reverse"
really means "Starboard"
Scout

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Hey Guys,

What in the hell are you doing to your boats that you are wering out
drills? Even Nutsy, with the 1/4 century old "Derelict" shouldn't be
drilling more than a dozen holes a year! Please enlighten me?

I have an inverter and have a dremel I use on 120 v. I have it because
of the flexible shaft and the case. If I use it to drill a 1/4" hole
it's to drill a pilot hole and enlarge it with an old fashion Hand Drill
(No batteries) I can't remember the last time I've used either one.

Why is a commercal drill necessary on one boat?

Ole Thom

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Bob, I am a tinsmith and use these tools every day. A grinder has the lowest
speeds you state, and are way to fast for polishing, They also use a much
higher amperage draw than a polisher and will not slow as a polisher will
with pressure. They do not have a variable speed range and will burn
through any gell coat at their rated speeds, read the can a can of compound
from any reputible manufacturer such as 3M or Norton.

Yes, indeed, you ARE busted. My B&D Grinder and several other's I've seen ARE
VARIABLE. Some DO have variable speed. One of the Porter Cable units I used to
use was also variable. Mine goes down to 2500 RPM, though I use higher RPM
during jobs.

http://www.powertoolservices.com/too...on/6154-70.htm

Meanwhile 3M suggests a max RPM of 3000 RPM, but you can safely exceed that by
a good margin. We certainly haven't damaged any hulls using the B&D. Meanwhile
I've never used ANY grinder that didn't slow down quite a bit with a big polish
pad on it and under load.
Stop talking about stuff you don't know about. I actually work on boats every
year.

RB

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I am the guy you see using these tools every day to
remove/clean up welds and prepare steel surfaces.


Great. I'll look for some steel surfaces on my boat and call you if I find any
that need work!

Bwahahahaha!

RB

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Bobsprit wrote:

Radio shack Catalog #: 273-1827 made for computers, does 12-27 volts and can be
addapted to a LOT of gear with a few adjustments.


You do realize don't you that that device is an inverter?

Cheers
Marty

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Bob, I am a tinsmith


Like I said, if we need tips on the tin parts of our boats (Scotty?) I'll drop
you a line. Other than that I follow what I was taught by professionals who
work with GRP. After 9 years I've had nothing but good results and no damage,
EXCEPT for when I 1st practiced on a already-dead boat at the yard.

RB

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Radio shack Catalog #: 273-1827 made for computers, does 12-27 volts and can
be
addapted to a LOT of gear with a few adjustments.


You do realize don't you that that device is an inverter?

I said it could be adapted and I also listed a second unit that works out of
the box.
You lose.

RB