MC wrote:



JAXAshby wrote:

I was helping a friend move his 50' center cockpit sloop from Rhode
Island to Bermuda one fall a few years ago.


What kind?



It was a Bristol.




googling "Bristol 50" returns no results even remotely related to a 50
foot
center cockpit sailboat.


Hey Doug, why not help us out and identify the boat as you say you know
what it is.


The lack of response to this most reasonable requests is most revealing.

Cheers

Bristol has built (and continues to build) a variety of custom boats, many of
the large, so they may well have built a 50. However, they are now building a
48, which is close enough for me:
http://www.bristolmarine.com/bristol48.htm



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I was helping a friend move his 50' center cockpit sloop from Rhode
Island to Bermuda one fall a few years ago.

What kind?


It was a Bristol.


googling "Bristol 50" returns no results even remotely related to a 50 foot
center cockpit sailboat.

of course, a Bristol 48 or a Bristol 51.5. It is all the same to a fiction
writer. Just like Subastian Younger's spark plugs in "The Perfect Storm".

Bristol has built (and continues to build) a variety of custom boats, many of
the large, so they may well have built a 50. However, they are now building
a
48, which is close enough for me:
http://www.bristolmarine.com/bristol48.htm



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I was helping a friend move his 50' center cockpit sloop from Rhode
Island to Bermuda one fall a few years ago.

What kind?


It was a Bristol.


googling "Bristol 50" returns no results even remotely related to a 50 foot
center cockpit sailboat.

Jeff Morris wrote:

Bristol has built (and continues to build) a variety of custom boats, many of
the large, so they may well have built a 50. However, they are now building a
48, which is close enough for me:
http://www.bristolmarine.com/bristol48.htm

Ah yes, but Jeff, you're not a pettifogging ****-ant like MC and JAX.

It's a matter of taste but I don't like center cockpit designs, most of them sail
like a double decker bus. However there are a few, Moody and Bristol come to mind,
that are good sailing boats. IIRC Bristols were designed by either Alden or Ted
Hood.



"JAXAshby" wrote
googling "Bristol 50" returns no results even remotely related to a 50 foot
center cockpit sailboat.

So, everything you know about boats comes from Google? Maybe you can share some of
your expertise with Navvie?

DSK

Yes, that looks like the vessel. I remember it drawing 11' with the board down.

Lonny

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...
Bristol has built (and continues to build) a variety of custom boats, many of
the large, so they may well have built a 50. However, they are now building a
48, which is close enough for me:
http://www.bristolmarine.com/bristol48.htm



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I was helping a friend move his 50' center cockpit sloop from Rhode
Island to Bermuda one fall a few years ago.

What kind?


It was a Bristol.


googling "Bristol 50" returns no results even remotely related to a 50 foot
center cockpit sailboat.

Well, look beyond google. First boat listing webpage I looked at found
some:

http://www.boats.com/listing/cache/l...=48&Search.y=6

"JAXAshby" wrote this idiot message
...

googling "Bristol 50" returns no results even remotely related to a 50
foot
center cockpit sailboat.

and which of those boats is a 50 foot Bristol?

dude, lonny was writing fiction (hoping to soon get paid LOTS of money for his
"better than Nick Carter" novels?).

Well, look beyond google. First boat listing webpage I looked at found
some:


http://www.boats.com/listing/cache/l...jsp?searchPage
=%2Flisting%2Fcache%2Fquick_search.jsp&slim=quick& sm=3&searchtype=buy&bcin
t=4&is=false&man=Bristol&fromYear=&toYear=2005&fro mLength=48&toLength=52&l
uom=126&currencyid=100&fromP
rice=&toPrice=&psdistance=1&pszipcode=32259&ac=&a c=&spid=&Search.x=48&Sea
rch.y=6

"JAXAshby" wrote this idiot message
...

googling "Bristol 50" returns no results even remotely related to a 50
foot
center cockpit sailboat.

(JAXAshby) wrote

I was helping a friend move his 50' center cockpit sloop from Rhode
Island to Bermuda one fall a few years ago.

What kind?


It was a Bristol.

googling "Bristol 50" returns no results even remotely related to a 50 foot
center cockpit sailboat.

I've admired one on the hard at my marina every
winter for the last few years. I can't remember
the name of the boat. It is on the tip of my
tongue. Next time I go check on my boat I get
the name of the boat and see what I can find
out about them.

As I recall is was a sweet looking boat--Bristol
looks in fact. I've never sailed one though.

If center cockpit means hydraulic steering, then
I don't like them. I do like big aft cabins--but
aft cabins can be in front of an aft cockpit, and
maintain the feel of a normal quadrant steering
system.

Bart Senior

DSK wrote in message ...
Lonny wrote:

A couple of knuckleheads in this NG have requested I tell my 'close
call' story, so here goes.

Why honor the request of knuckleheads? Anyway thanks for posting the
story, t is interesting reading.



I was helping a friend move his 50' center cockpit sloop from Rhode
Island to Bermuda one fall a few years ago.

What kind?



This one day we were sailing along nicely but the weather was
deteriorating as we approached the stream. Winds were about 40 knots,
overcast, some rain, waves approx 3 meters. Still not too bad, until
we hit something in the water. It was kind of soft hit I guess. THe
boat now would not perform well, slowed down, and would not respond
very well to rudder inputs. We figured we picked up a fishing net and
it was wrapped around our rudder. The deteriorating conditions and
impending darkness meant it was much too risky for a crew member to go
overboard and inspect, perhaps cutting the net loose, so we had little
choice but to continue on.

Huh? Jobs like this are not very dependent on vision anyway, and if
conditions were deteriorating, then you'd be better off getting it cleared
right away. It's possible that this bad call was responsible for much of
your trouble later.



Doug,

If it's to risky to puy someone under the boat in bad seas then it's
to risky.

Ive been hung on a backdown line for 4 days before. I could get under
the boat and cut loose. Nothing worse than getting the crap beat out
of you by a boat, on top of having to avoid propellers cutting you in
half.

I agree if at all possiable get someone under the boat and find out
whats going on. But not at risk of life and limb. Sometimes doing
nothing is the safest thing to do IMO.

Joe
MSV RedCloud









It was about 1 am when we entered the stream, and I was just coming
off a single watch. THe captain came into the cockpit to relieve me,
but asked me to stay up with him, as we had just entered the stream
(he could tell from the water temperature) and it was raining very
hard by this point. So, basically I sat in the cockpit with him
during his 4 hour watch.

The conditions became Heavy, heavy thunderstorms, full of lightening,
to the point were there were times that it was lightening ALL OF THE
TIME, so that they entire ocean was lit up, and I could see clearly
all the way to the horizon. I had never experienced that before.
WInds were up to 45 knots and gusting a little higher. But the waves
built up to these SQUARE 5 meter monsters. Now, I have been in bigger
waves, but it was not the size as much as the shape. Imagine a 45
knot wind AGAINST a 3 knot current. It produced very unfriendly
conditions.

Sounds like it. Did you maintain course to destination or had you put the
boat on an easier heading?



Our boat was very difficult to control with a fishing net around our
rudder, and we were smashing into these walls of water. Green water
over the decks, filling up the center cockpit of this boat. SOmetimes
it would splash down so hard on us that I could not see the captain,
even though he was only about 5' away from me. I was afraid one of us
was going to get washed over board (yes, we were harnessed in -
always). Our boat was heeled over to the point that the boom was
dragging in the water on occasion, and I know that is not good,
because you are no longer able to 'dump' air if needed. We had the
rail buried on this boat many times also.

Sure, sailing rail down isn't a problem, in fact it's kind of fun. In the
dark with breakers and a fishnet on the rudder is not. How about reducing
sail?



It really was tough conditions. For the first time I realized that I
was in a situation that I might not survive. This was no movie, we
were on our own and in a little trouble. The only way to survive it
was with a little luck and a lot of concentration to do what it took
to get the boat through the night. ANd that is what happened to me.
I was focused. I did what I had to to sail the boat well and get
through the stream.

Approx 5 or 6 in the morning we came out of the stream, and the waves
immediately went to about 8 feet. It was like someone flipped a
switch. Our relief crew came up to take the helm, and the funny part
is, they really had no idea what kind of night they had just slept
through.

Well, it wasn't until later - off watch - that I had an emotional
reaction to what I had just gone through, and decided that I was being
a little selfish for putting myself in these sort of situations while
leaving small children at home. So, that was my last off shore trip
until my kids finish growing up.

Oh, later that day the sun came out, the waves went down to 6', so we
hove-to and a crew member went overboard and cut loose the net.

Things have a way of snowballing.... the worst problems hit in groups and
it sounds like you all had a bit more wiggle room left. That's one big
reason why I feel any problems at sea should be taken care of ASAP. You
don't know what's going to happen next and if it's bad, you have just lost
a lot of options and a lot of safety margin.

Personally, in forty years of sailing I have rescued people more times
than been in danger myself, but it is always a nice feeling to relax and
enjoy being safe & dry after a struggle with wind and water.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Joe wrote:


If it's to risky to puy someone under the boat in bad seas then it's
to risky.

Yep, that is a judgement call.



Ive been hung on a backdown line for 4 days before. I could get under
the boat and cut loose. Nothing worse than getting the crap beat out
of you by a boat, on top of having to avoid propellers cutting you in
half.

I agree if at all possiable get someone under the boat and find out
whats going on. But not at risk of life and limb. Sometimes doing
nothing is the safest thing to do IMO.

But if the rudder or the whole rest of the boat was at risk, it would definitely be worth
it to get the snag off the rudder. It would certainly take some caution to not get bashed
under the counter..

Oz1R wrote:

5metre waves and 45kts

Wave size can be secondary to how steep & how they're breaking.

in a 50' yacht and you suffered an "emotional
reaction"?
Jesus Lonny, any sailor I know would be emotional all right..a smile
from ear to ear.

Maybe he was trying to say, in his own way, that he saw God

Fresh Breezes
Doug King