"Donal" wrote in message
...

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This not a strange pub. It is a public forum, PUBLIC FORUM being the
operative words. If you want to brag and advice in confidence then why
post
to a public environment? And as for attack the integrity of the
participants, yep, but I called you a faker initially (fairly mellow
term),
I believe you have bandied the phrase LIAR in your earlier posts,
provocative or what. For my sins I fell to your level over that one.

Oh, pleeeasse! Are you really so naive as to think that "faker" is fairly
mellow?


Yes. In comparison to shouting LIAR I feel faker pretty mellow.

Calling me a faker is accusing me of deception.


Yes I am. I am still awaiting proof of your claims.

If I prove, beyond all doubt, that I am not a faker, would that mean that
you lied when you said that I was a faker?


Not in the least. To lie I would need to know beyond doubt that you help a
ticket.

If you answer "yes", then I will answer all your original questions as
soon
as I read your post.


Not a chance. As I have said above to lie I would need to be in possesion of
facts to misqoute. I don't have teh details so how could I lie?



That is exactly what you appear to have done here. Even worse, you
have
incorrectly questioned my integrity.

Not at all. You make claims you can not or will not support in a public
place. Be prepared to be challanged.

I am. Believe me.


Why should I when your posts regarding the exam are so flawed?

You miss quoted the conditions for the
RYA Yachtmaster Offshore blind nav' test. As one who has taken and past
this
exam I feel I am entitled to correct you and even question the validity
of
your claims.

I accepted your correction almost immediately. Perhaps you missed my
post,
or you felt like trying your luck at a flame war.


No you did not. You only pointed others to my post and then claimed that
have taken the exam recently to cover your own disinformation. By the ground
rules lay by you this would tar you a liar! Cake and eat it comes to mind!



You have behaved with outrageous impertinence, and I feel that you
might
learn some manners if I treat you the same way.

Mmmm. I doubt you could teach me manners, as indeed I doubt you could
teach
others to sail. To teach one must command respect, for you and your
yarns
I
have little to none.

"Yarns"? Are you calling me a liar again? I am truly impressed by your
level of stupidity.


Yarns offers you the benefit of doubt. Yarns can be truths or falsehoods. I
am still waiting your evidence as to which type of yarn you are spinning.



As I have repeatedly said, I will prove you wrong within the next 6
days.
I
deserve to get a little pleasure from the exercise.

Well, I will keep watching, but I am a sceptical as ever abouth the
truth
of
your claims. This scepticism is ever more reinforced byt your total lack
of
ability to respond to any question put to you with regaurds to the topic
under descussion, i.e. Yacht Master Offshore and the RYA exam it
entails.

It isn't "lack of ability". It is "lack of accountability".
I don't owe you an answer. In fact I don't owe you anything at all. I've
chosen to answer your questions after a suitable delay because I wanted to
see you dig a really deep hole for yourself. I had allowed 7 days for you
to demonstrate the true depths of your ignorance. However, it seems that
you might have accomplished the task in much less. Congratulations!!


Too right, you do not OWE me an answer, not I you. But as I have said
before, lack of proof gives me the option to concider you a faker or liar.
As to expose the depths of my ignorance, how? I have the ticket, you are at
liberty to concider me a faker or liar too, your option. I acknowledging
this you have to of course allow the same latitude to other to concder you a
faker or liar.



Keep the cutlery ready!

All ready back in the draw. As I have said, the information you require
could probably be extracted from public records in the number of days
you
wish the group to wait so would in fairness carry little on no weight
for
myself and possibly others.

Am I a faker?

From what I read, yes. Though the longer your evasions continue the closer
to liar you move IMO.

What is the difference between a faker and a liar?

A liar tells untruths with corrupt intent, a faker is just a jovial fool who
may need the approbation of thier peers.

Did you call me a faker?

Yes I did. Though you do need to note the comments above.




Regards

Donal
--



You appear to have lost the plot Donal, in my initial post I gave you the
benefit of doubt and laid the ground a retraction, you have concistanty
avoided this route. Fine by me, you have only prompted me to feel stronger
than ever that you do not hold the qualification you claim to.

John

"John.E" wrote in message
...


John, get your knife and fork out.


snip
Too right, you do not OWE me an answer, not I you. But as I have said
before, lack of proof gives me the option to concider you a faker or liar.
As to expose the depths of my ignorance, how? I have the ticket, you are
at
liberty to concider me a faker or liar too, your option. I acknowledging
this you have to of course allow the same latitude to other to concder you
a
faker or liar.

Am I a faker?

From what I read, yes. Though the longer your evasions continue the closer
to liar you move IMO.




What is the difference between a faker and a liar?

A liar tells untruths with corrupt intent, a faker is just a jovial fool
who
may need the approbation of thier peers.

Honestly, you are re-defining the English language to try to wriggle out of
this.



Did you call me a faker?

Yes I did. Though you do need to note the comments above.


You appear to have lost the plot Donal, in my initial post I gave you the
benefit of doubt and laid the ground a retraction,

Rubbish! You made incorrect assumptions, and asked me to prove something
that I had never claimed in the first place.



you have concistanty
avoided this route. Fine by me, you have only prompted me to feel stronger
than ever that you do not hold the qualification you claim to.

I have **never** claimed to have the Yachmaster Practical. Quite the
opposite. I have often pointed out that I only took the Shorebased exam.
Joe, and Jeff should both be aware of this. Therefore, I felt no
obligation to correct them at all.


In fact, a few weeks ago I wrote the following

" I've only done the shorebased element.".

Here is a link to it on Google.


http://groups.google.com/groups?q=do...roup:alt.sa i
ling.asa&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.sailing.asa&c2coff=1&scoring=d&selm= 6Y
GdnVbURbX8A3SiRVn-sw%40comcast.com&rnum=2

You will notice that Jeff read that post, and replied to it.

Do a search for "donal yachtmaster shorebased" in Google groups. 15 hits.
Now use Google to find any claim that I possess the Yachtmaster Practical.



Here is another link from Google

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=do....sailing.as a
&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.sailing.asa&c2coff=1&scoring=d&selm=bg c3e6%245
8f%241%248302bc10%40news.demon.co.uk&rnum=4


Quote :- "I've said before that I am a novice sailor. "
In fact, I've said that many times. Do a Google. It's all there.


Your first post to me contained these words:-
"Go on, be brave, face me down on this one. I will eat humble pie if needed
but IMO you are a faker!"

Now, I think that it is time to use your cutlery!!


Regards


Donal
--

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"John.E" wrote in message
...


John, get your knife and fork out.

On what grounds? None I can find below.

snip
What is the difference between a faker and a liar?

A liar tells untruths with corrupt intent, a faker is just a jovial fool
who may need the approbation of thier peers.

Honestly, you are re-defining the English language to try to wriggle out
of
this.


I may be redefining language. I used the term faker to give some room to
correct me or for you to manouver, which you chose not to do/take. But
certainly do not feel that I to wriggle out of anything.


Did you call me a faker?

Yes I did. Though you do need to note the comments above.

You appear to have lost the plot Donal, in my initial post I gave you
the
benefit of doubt and laid the ground a retraction,

Rubbish! You made incorrect assumptions, and asked me to prove something
that I had never claimed in the first place.


Assumption that you were happy to feed. Sounds like trolling to me.
I asked a straight forward question, so why not just answer it?

14/01/04 @ 13:10 - Donal - "As far as I remember..."

"As far as I can remember", IMO imples you have done this thing? as opposed
to 'I have been told/heard' which would clearly indicate that you have not.
You have offered to supply details you can not be possesion of, to wit, a
YACHTMASTER CERTIFICATE NUMBMER, sounds like a liar to me, with all this
who-ha you are certainly not a faker, just a full of BS and a troll to boot
(a good one at that).


you have concistanty avoided this route. Fine by me, you have only
prompted
me to feel stronger than ever that you do not hold the qualification you
claim to.

I have **never** claimed to have the Yachmaster Practical.

So why comment on the practical without clarification of you lack of
expereince? If not to troll.

Quite the opposite. I have often pointed out that I only took the
Shorebased exam.
Joe, and Jeff should both be aware of this. Therefore, I felt no
obligation to correct them at all.


Just by telling me you can produce the requested number in 6-7 days you have
implied that not only have to taken the exam but alos passed. Trolling. Now
you are stating that you have not taken the exam? Why not just say so? Why
imply you have these details? You don't get one of those for a theory pass,
just the completion certificate.

snip - referend to loads of old stuff that I had not read - not releted to
this thread

I have only been hanging around the last couple of weeks, again I would ask
you, why not just answer NO when I asked if you were a YACHTMASTER? No shame
in it, a few years ago I was not one either, but the fact is, I am now.


Your first post to me contained these words:-
"Go on, be brave, face me down on this one. I will eat humble pie if
needed
but IMO you are a faker!"

Now, I think that it is time to use your cutlery!!


On what grounds? I asked if you a YACHTMASTER and by your own admission
above you are not, a theory pass does not a YACHTMASTER make, as you should
know if you have the shorebased theory pass? Takes more than a classroom
docket to be a YACHTMASTER. I think far from me eating humble pie, no way.
It is time you came clean and started being honest about yourself, drop the
inference and deceptive stuff. Nothing wrong with being a novice of at least
14 years standing, reading through some othere posts you obviously have
information to impart, just stick to what you know to be so.
IMO none of us ever stop learing to sail!


Regards

Donal
--


In summary Donal, a good troll, however I feel it is unfourtunate that you
use usernet to miss inform many people about matters that you have no first
hand experience. If we all can just stick to talking honestly and openly
about what we have done or not the world would not be suffering from such a
tidal wave of BS as it is at this time. There are many things I wish I could
do or have done in this life, I try to keep my gob shut if I don't have the
first hand experience when asked for an opinion or at least qualify it with
things like 'I have heard' or 'I have read' or IMO. Prehaps you should adopt
the same stance and keep stum about issue concering the yachtmaster
practical.

See you on the water sometime.

JohnE

"John.E" wrote in message
. ..

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"John.E" wrote in message
...


John, get your knife and fork out.

On what grounds? None I can find below.

snip
What is the difference between a faker and a liar?

A liar tells untruths with corrupt intent, a faker is just a jovial
fool
who may need the approbation of thier peers.

Honestly, you are re-defining the English language to try to wriggle
out
of
this.


I may be redefining language. I used the term faker to give some room to
correct me or for you to manouver, which you chose not to do/take. But
certainly do not feel that I to wriggle out of anything.


Did you call me a faker?

Yes I did. Though you do need to note the comments above.

You appear to have lost the plot Donal, in my initial post I gave you
the
benefit of doubt and laid the ground a retraction,

Rubbish! You made incorrect assumptions, and asked me to prove
something
that I had never claimed in the first place.


Assumption that you were happy to feed.

Please post *one* instance of where I fed your uninformed assumptions!
I never fed your assumptions! I simply stated that you were wrong. Also,
I told you that I would prove that you were wrong. You called me a faker,
and I have proved you completely wrong. You said that you would eat humble
pie if you were proved wrong.



Sounds like trolling to me.
I asked a straight forward question, so why not just answer it?

14/01/04 @ 13:10 - Donal - "As far as I remember..."

"As far as I can remember", IMO imples you have done this thing?


It implies absolutely nothing more than it says.


as opposed
to 'I have been told/heard' which would clearly indicate that you have
not.

I wasn't trying to be helpful. As I have already stated, I have been very
clear - over a number of years - that I am a novice.

You have offered to supply details you can not be possesion of, to wit, a
YACHTMASTER CERTIFICATE NUMBMER, sounds like a liar to me, with all this
who-ha you are certainly not a faker, just a full of BS and a troll to
boot
(a good one at that).

Now, I *will* call you a liar. Let me make this absolutely clear. You are
a liar.

I did **not** offer to supply you with "details" of my Yachtmaster
Certificate. I offered to "answer all of your questions".






you have concistanty avoided this route. Fine by me, you have only
prompted
me to feel stronger than ever that you do not hold the qualification
you
claim to.

I have **never** claimed to have the Yachmaster Practical.

So why comment on the practical without clarification of you lack of
expereince? If not to troll.

Very simple. Everybody knows that I haven't done the practical. I've said
it many times.
If Joe and Jeff (who knows that I've only done the shorebased), want to
assume that I've done the practical, then that really is their problem.




Quite the opposite. I have often pointed out that I only took the
Shorebased exam.
Joe, and Jeff should both be aware of this. Therefore, I felt no
obligation to correct them at all.


Just by telling me you can produce the requested number in 6-7 days you
have
implied that not only have to taken the exam but alos passed. Trolling.
Now
you are stating that you have not taken the exam? Why not just say so? Why
imply you have these details? You don't get one of those for a theory
pass,
just the completion certificate.

I did *not* say that I would produce the "number", did I?

I said that I would answer your questions. Didn't I?

Once again, you are a **LIAR**.





snip - referend to loads of old stuff that I had not read - not releted
to
this thread

I have only been hanging around the last couple of weeks, again I would
ask
you, why not just answer NO when I asked if you were a YACHTMASTER? No
shame
in it, a few years ago I was not one either, but the fact is, I am now.

Well done!

Do you feel that it gives you the right to call complete strangers liars?



Your first post to me contained these words:-
"Go on, be brave, face me down on this one. I will eat humble pie if
needed
but IMO you are a faker!"

Now, I think that it is time to use your cutlery!!


On what grounds? I asked if you a YACHTMASTER and by your own admission
above you are not, a theory pass does not a YACHTMASTER make, as you
should
know if you have the shorebased theory pass?

I have never claimed that I have the Yachtmaster Practical. Far from it.
I have claimed that I am a *novice* sailor. How dare you attack my honesty?
What kind of sick, twisted, individual are you? Are you sooo pleased with
your Practial certificate that you feel qualified to sneer at those of us
who only took the theory course?


Takes more than a classroom
docket to be a YACHTMASTER. I think far from me eating humble pie, no way.

You said that you would eat humble pie if I proved you wrong. It seems that
you lied!


It is time you came clean and started being honest about yourself, drop
the
inference and deceptive stuff. Nothing wrong with being a novice of at
least
14 years standing, reading through some othere posts you obviously have
information to impart, just stick to what you know to be so.

You really are stupid beyond belief! Don't you understand? I want an
apology.

I've been posting in ASA for about 5 years. You have called my integrity
into question.

I'm really quite unhappy about that.


Regards


Donal
--

"Donal" wrote in message
...

Please post *one* instance of where I fed your uninformed assumptions!
I never fed your assumptions! I simply stated that you were wrong. Also,
I told you that I would prove that you were wrong. You called me a faker,
and I have proved you completely wrong. You said that you would eat humble
pie if you were proved wrong.

How about: "It's 13-14 years since I did the course, so I'm cannot give you the
specifics of what is required. " Are you referring to the shorebased part or
the practical?






Sounds like trolling to me.
I asked a straight forward question, so why not just answer it?

14/01/04 @ 13:10 - Donal - "As far as I remember..."

"As far as I can remember", IMO imples you have done this thing?


It implies absolutely nothing more than it says.


as opposed
to 'I have been told/heard' which would clearly indicate that you have
not.

I wasn't trying to be helpful. As I have already stated, I have been very
clear - over a number of years - that I am a novice.

You have offered to supply details you can not be possesion of, to wit, a
YACHTMASTER CERTIFICATE NUMBMER, sounds like a liar to me, with all this
who-ha you are certainly not a faker, just a full of BS and a troll to
boot
(a good one at that).

Now, I *will* call you a liar. Let me make this absolutely clear. You are
a liar.

I did **not** offer to supply you with "details" of my Yachtmaster
Certificate. I offered to "answer all of your questions".






you have concistanty avoided this route. Fine by me, you have only
prompted
me to feel stronger than ever that you do not hold the qualification
you
claim to.

I have **never** claimed to have the Yachmaster Practical.

So why comment on the practical without clarification of you lack of
expereince? If not to troll.

Very simple. Everybody knows that I haven't done the practical. I've said
it many times.
If Joe and Jeff (who knows that I've only done the shorebased), want to
assume that I've done the practical, then that really is their problem.

What makes you think that I have any understanding of the YachtMaster courses or
requirements? Frankly, here in the States, there is no concept of getting a
"portion" of a license - you either have it all or you don't have it. All
portions of the test, plus the other requirements must be completed in one year.
So when you mentioned have done part of it 13 years ago, I assuming (to the
extent that I thought about it) that you had some minor version, such as the
"inland" or "coastal" yachtmaster. but were working towards a real license.







Quite the opposite. I have often pointed out that I only took the
Shorebased exam.
Joe, and Jeff should both be aware of this. Therefore, I felt no
obligation to correct them at all.


Just by telling me you can produce the requested number in 6-7 days you
have
implied that not only have to taken the exam but alos passed. Trolling.
Now
you are stating that you have not taken the exam? Why not just say so? Why
imply you have these details? You don't get one of those for a theory
pass,
just the completion certificate.

I did *not* say that I would produce the "number", did I?

I said that I would answer your questions. Didn't I?

So, is the "blind navigation" part of the shorebased part?


Once again, you are a **LIAR**.





snip - referend to loads of old stuff that I had not read - not releted
to
this thread

I have only been hanging around the last couple of weeks, again I would
ask
you, why not just answer NO when I asked if you were a YACHTMASTER? No
shame
in it, a few years ago I was not one either, but the fact is, I am now.

Well done!

Do you feel that it gives you the right to call complete strangers liars?



Your first post to me contained these words:-
"Go on, be brave, face me down on this one. I will eat humble pie if
needed
but IMO you are a faker!"

Now, I think that it is time to use your cutlery!!


On what grounds? I asked if you a YACHTMASTER and by your own admission
above you are not, a theory pass does not a YACHTMASTER make, as you
should
know if you have the shorebased theory pass?

I have never claimed that I have the Yachtmaster Practical. Far from it.
I have claimed that I am a *novice* sailor. How dare you attack my honesty?
What kind of sick, twisted, individual are you? Are you sooo pleased with
your Practial certificate that you feel qualified to sneer at those of us
who only took the theory course?

Takes more than a classroom
docket to be a YACHTMASTER. I think far from me eating humble pie, no way.

You said that you would eat humble pie if I proved you wrong. It seems that
you lied!

But when did he lie?



It is time you came clean and started being honest about yourself, drop
the
inference and deceptive stuff. Nothing wrong with being a novice of at
least
14 years standing, reading through some othere posts you obviously have
information to impart, just stick to what you know to be so.

You really are stupid beyond belief! Don't you understand? I want an
apology.

I've been posting in ASA for about 5 years. You have called my integrity
into question.

I'm really quite unhappy about that.

BWAHAHA!
You crack me up, Donal! What a Putz!





Regards


Donal
--

"Donal" wrote in message
...

Please post *one* instance of where I fed your uninformed assumptions!
I never fed your assumptions! I simply stated that you were wrong.
Also,
I told you that I would prove that you were wrong. You called me a
faker,
and I have proved you completely wrong. You said that you would eat
humble
pie if you were proved wrong.


I asked you if you were a YM did I not? You are not!

14/01/2004 @ 13:10 - "I've described the test several times."
How can describe what you have never performed?

14/01/2004 @ 18:34 - "As I pointed out earlier, it is 13 years since I did
this stuff."
But you never have in a practical environment! and teh question was a
practical one.

14/01/04 @ 13:10 - Donal - "As far as I remember..."
IMO still implies you have done the 'remebered' thing?


It implies absolutely nothing more than it says.


You can remeber what you have never done. Dammed good going that man. Wish I
could, I could then remeber my night of passion with Felicity Kendal, Eather
Kit and ZaZa Gabour. Mmmmmmmm


as opposed
to 'I have been told/heard' which would clearly indicate that you have
not.

I wasn't trying to be helpful. As I have already stated, I have been
very
clear - over a number of years - that I am a novice.


Irrelevant to one who is not familiar with your previous posts, I am only
concerned with your responses within this thread.

You have offered to supply details you can not be possesion of, to wit,
a
YACHTMASTER CERTIFICATE NUMBMER, sounds like a liar to me, with all this
who-ha you are certainly not a faker, just a full of BS and a troll to
boot
(a good one at that).

Now, I *will* call you a liar. Let me make this absolutely clear. You
are
a liar.

I did **not** offer to supply you with "details" of my Yachtmaster
Certificate. I offered to "answer all of your questions".


Reading the thread carefully you are correct. I have indeed be culpable in
assuming you meant to knock me down with a sudden display of valid
documentation. Liar no, stupid yes.


you have concistanty avoided this route. Fine by me, you have only
prompted
me to feel stronger than ever that you do not hold the qualification
you
claim to.

I have **never** claimed to have the Yachmaster Practical.

So why comment on the practical without clarification of you lack of
expereince? If not to troll.

Very simple. Everybody knows that I haven't done the practical. I've
said
it many times.

Not everyone or I would have no reason to kick off on you as I would be
already informed.

If Joe and Jeff (who knows that I've only done the shorebased), want to
assume that I've done the practical, then that really is their problem.


Yes. Same for anyone else. Not to answer a clear call to clarify the
situation can and has been in htuis case, by me, construed as feeding
assumption.


Quite the opposite. I have often pointed out that I only took the
Shorebased exam.
Joe, and Jeff should both be aware of this. Therefore, I felt no
obligation to correct them at all.


Just by telling me you can produce the requested number in 6-7 days you
have
implied that not only have to taken the exam but alos passed. Trolling.
Now
you are stating that you have not taken the exam? Why not just say so?
Why
imply you have these details? You don't get one of those for a theory
pass,
just the completion certificate.

I did *not* say that I would produce the "number", did I?


No you did not.

I said that I would answer your questions. Didn't I?


Yes.

Once again, you are a **LIAR**.


No. Only guilty of false assumptions, helping to create trolls and then
biting on and responding to them.


snip - referend to loads of old stuff that I had not read - not
releted
to
this thread

I have only been hanging around the last couple of weeks, again I would
ask
you, why not just answer NO when I asked if you were a YACHTMASTER? No
shame
in it, a few years ago I was not one either, but the fact is, I am now.

Well done!


Thankyou. I worked hard for it.

Do you feel that it gives you the right to call complete strangers liars?


Not at all. I take that right just by breathing if I feel the individual
concerned deserves it and is making loud noises in a public place. As indeed
I feel you do. On occasion through this discourse you have call me a liar. I
did in fact go from CC to YMOff practical (blue book) between Feb'93 and Nov
'93. So you gonna say sorry to me? After all I too am a complete stranger.
Tell you what, don't bother, I can deal with scepticism and rejection.



Your first post to me contained these words:-
"Go on, be brave, face me down on this one. I will eat humble pie if
needed
but IMO you are a faker!"

Now, I think that it is time to use your cutlery!!


On what grounds? I asked if you a YACHTMASTER and by your own admission
above you are not, a theory pass does not a YACHTMASTER make, as you
should
know if you have the shorebased theory pass?

I have never claimed that I have the Yachtmaster Practical. Far from it.
I have claimed that I am a *novice* sailor. How dare you attack my
honesty?

Note my responce to your comments above, mortaly wounded horror, 'How dare
YOU'. Tehe!!! You have done all of the above to me but hey, life is a bitch
and it is your choice. Deal with it, I have.

What kind of sick, twisted, individual are you?

No less sick or twisted than you. You baited, I bit. Tough! More fool me,
poor sad you.

Are you sooo pleased with
your Practial certificate that you feel qualified to sneer at those of us
who only took the theory course?


Not at all. You have permitted me to build my uninformed assumptitions, in
part fed them. If you wind people up, you must be prepared for the fall out.
You strike me as the boy in the playground taht winds up a fight and then
calls for the teacher.


Takes more than a classroom
docket to be a YACHTMASTER. I think far from me eating humble pie, no
way.

You said that you would eat humble pie if I proved you wrong. It seems
that
you lied!


What have you proved me wrong over aside from being a faker (and that is
even still debatable)? I believe I said IMO you we not yachtmaster, and I am
right.


It is time you came clean and started being honest about yourself, drop
the
inference and deceptive stuff. Nothing wrong with being a novice of at
least
14 years standing, reading through some othere posts you obviously have
information to impart, just stick to what you know to be so.

You really are stupid beyond belief! Don't you understand? I want an
apology.


Only if you apologise to me for branding my claims over the rate at which I
collected my qual's. Else I'll tell mummy and she won't like it!

I've been posting in ASA for about 5 years. You have called my integrity
into question.


As indeed you have mine... dah de dah de dah de dah and on and on and
on..... Mindless tedium, wounded looks......
I am just another person in a public forum reading what I concider to be
disinformation and questioning the source. No thing more or less, who the
are you? This is not your forum, if that is how you see it then I would
suggest you start you own and offer subscription only ids and passwords. As
I have said time and again, a public place.

I'm really quite unhappy about that.


More mindless tedium, wounded looks......
Tough. I to have been slightly offended (mainly smiling though) by you
calling me a liar over my sail record vis-ve training. Sob sob! You do not
know me or my record and yet you have felt informed enought to off my traing
as lies. Ah! over these exchanges you to have called me a liar prior to this
little tyrade. Has is had me crawling around the floor in to shock and
horror? No. You are entiled to your opinions for me as I am of you. If the
fact someone does not rate you or your methods or your verbal rot, be it
sailing or the use of usernet as a trolling device or what ever, well grow
up and smell the roses. Life can be a bitch and not everyone will value your
emotions and opinions as highly as you do. As indeed they have no reason to
value mine.


Regards


Donal
--


Lets just face it Donal, you and I are not going to be lovers. We have
engaged in a game of brinkmanship and for various reasons neither of us can
win outright. I posted a question that offened you for whatever reason and
you set me up for a fall. Well done, you did a good job and I bit and I
applaud your efforts. However, my primary question boiled down to 'are you a
YM', and your answer is NO, so no humble pie for me to eat, but I have to
add nor are you truly a faker as you have rightly pointed out my query was
based on a false assumption I had made, which you permitted to exisist
longer than needed to gratify your need to feel good about something and get
one over, cool, I can (as is my right) assume this is a chip due to the lack
of the full YM coming through! (true or not does not matter) The way you get
so offended by being questioned is sad though, you will gladly call another
a LIAR and then get all tearful if you are on the recieving end, I feel I
have to advise you to get a life and stop throwing stones unless you can
deal with the a little broken glass of your own.

JohnE

In article , John.E
wrote:

"Donal" wrote in message
...
[snip]

Hey, he offered to answer your questions. You asked what his licence
number was. He stalled & didn't answer. All he had to do was say
'sorry, I don't have that licence'.

Yeah, he set you up but at the same time shot himself in both feet.
Pyrrhic victory at best.

Nobody I know has a yachting cert of any type so who cares, really? In
Australia it's pretty much for people who want to go racing. Everyone
else just goes sailing.

PDW


Lets just face it Donal, you and I are not going to be lovers. We have
engaged in a game of brinkmanship and for various reasons neither of us can
win outright. I posted a question that offened you for whatever reason and
you set me up for a fall. Well done, you did a good job and I bit and I
applaud your efforts. However, my primary question boiled down to 'are you a
YM', and your answer is NO, so no humble pie for me to eat, but I have to
add nor are you truly a faker as you have rightly pointed out my query was
based on a false assumption I had made, which you permitted to exisist
longer than needed to gratify your need to feel good about something and get
one over, cool, I can (as is my right) assume this is a chip due to the lack
of the full YM coming through! (true or not does not matter) The way you get
so offended by being questioned is sad though, you will gladly call another
a LIAR and then get all tearful if you are on the recieving end, I feel I
have to advise you to get a life and stop throwing stones unless you can
deal with the a little broken glass of your own.

JohnE

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article , John.E
wrote:

"Donal" wrote in message
...
[snip]

Hey, he offered to answer your questions. You asked what his licence
number was. He stalled & didn't answer. All he had to do was say
'sorry, I don't have that licence'.

Yeah, he set you up but at the same time shot himself in both feet.
Pyrrhic victory at best.


Yep he sure did, but I did too for my sins.
Oh, ****, life is so hard on lil' old me;-))

Nobody I know has a yachting cert of any type so who cares, really? In
Australia it's pretty much for people who want to go racing. Everyone
else just goes sailing.


'Everyone else just goes sailing', a bloody good plan :-))

PDW



JohnE

"John.E" wrote in message
...
"Donal" wrote in message
...

Please post *one* instance of where I fed your uninformed assumptions!
I never fed your assumptions! I simply stated that you were wrong.
Also,
I told you that I would prove that you were wrong. You called me a
faker,
and I have proved you completely wrong. You said that you would eat
humble
pie if you were proved wrong.


I asked you if you were a YM did I not?

Liar! You did not ask anything of the sort. You assumed, in your
ignorance, that I was claiming to hold the Practical YM. Not only did I
*never* make such a claim, but I actually posted that I did *NOT* have the
YM practical qualification - many times.


You assumed that I was claiming to be a YM (practical), and you called me a
faker.

Your assumption was 100% incorrect.

You said that you would eat humble pie if you were wrong. Well ... you
*are* wrong. Are you a real man?



14/01/2004 @ 13:10 - "I've described the test several times."
How can describe what you have never performed?

14/01/2004 @ 18:34 - "As I pointed out earlier, it is 13 years since I did
this stuff."
But you never have in a practical environment! and teh question was a
practical one.

14/01/04 @ 13:10 - Donal - "As far as I remember..."
IMO still implies you have done the 'remebered' thing?


It implies absolutely nothing more than it says.


You can remeber what you have never done. Dammed good going that man. Wish
I
could, I could then remeber my night of passion with Felicity Kendal,
Eather
Kit and ZaZa Gabour. Mmmmmmmm


as opposed
to 'I have been told/heard' which would clearly indicate that you have
not.

I wasn't trying to be helpful. As I have already stated, I have been
very
clear - over a number of years - that I am a novice.


Irrelevant to one who is not familiar with your previous posts, I am only
concerned with your responses within this thread.

OK! Can you point out where I have claimed to have the Yachtmaster
Practical?

Of course you cannot! Because I never made such a claim.

I am not a faker.


You have offered to supply details you can not be possesion of, to
wit,
a
YACHTMASTER CERTIFICATE NUMBMER, sounds like a liar to me, with all
this
who-ha you are certainly not a faker, just a full of BS and a troll to
boot
(a good one at that).

Now, I *will* call you a liar. Let me make this absolutely clear. You
are
a liar.

I did **not** offer to supply you with "details" of my Yachtmaster
Certificate. I offered to "answer all of your questions".


Reading the thread carefully you are correct.

Of course I am. ... As I have been all along.


I have indeed be culpable in
assuming you meant to knock me down with a sudden display of valid
documentation. Liar no, stupid yes.

I did mean to knock you down. You called me a "faker". You are a liar.




Very simple. Everybody knows that I haven't done the practical. I've
said
it many times.

Not everyone or I would have no reason to kick off on you as I would be
already informed.

I've said it many, many times.

You called me a faker -- which is the same as calling me a liar.


I want a retraction.


Believe me.






If Joe and Jeff (who knows that I've only done the shorebased), want to
assume that I've done the practical, then that really is their problem.


Yes. Same for anyone else. Not to answer a clear call to clarify the
situation can and has been in htuis case, by me, construed as feeding
assumption.

So what? That really is their problem. I've told them the truth often
enough. In fact, I've proved that Jeff has actually read a post where I
stated that I only held the "shorebased" Yachtmaster. He responded to it --
and only a few weeks ago!!!





I said that I would answer your questions. Didn't I?


Yes.

Once again, you are a **LIAR**.


No. Only guilty of false assumptions, helping to create trolls and then
biting on and responding to them.

Yes, you are guilty of false assumptions. Your false assumptions led you
to call me a "faker".


You said that you would eat humble pie if I proved you wrong.


All you have to do is say "sorry".





snip - referend to loads of old stuff that I had not read - not
releted
to
this thread

I have only been hanging around the last couple of weeks, again I
would
ask
you, why not just answer NO when I asked if you were a YACHTMASTER? No
shame
in it, a few years ago I was not one either, but the fact is, I am
now.

Well done!


Thankyou. I worked hard for it.

Do you feel that it gives you the right to call complete strangers
liars?


Not at all. I take that right just by breathing if I feel the individual
concerned deserves it and is making loud noises in a public place. As
indeed
I feel you do. On occasion through this discourse you have call me a liar.
I
did in fact go from CC to YMOff practical (blue book) between Feb'93 and
Nov
'93. So you gonna say sorry to me? After all I too am a complete stranger.
Tell you what, don't bother, I can deal with scepticism and rejection.

You're nuts! Where did I say that you had not accomplished the things that
you have claimed?

I expressed extreme sceptisism at your apparent claim to have gone from
absolute beginner to Yachmaster Ocean in one year. I believe that you
confirmed my opinion on the matter.



I have never claimed that I have the Yachtmaster Practical. Far from
it.
I have claimed that I am a *novice* sailor. How dare you attack my
honesty?

Note my responce to your comments above, mortaly wounded horror, 'How dare
YOU'. Tehe!!! You have done all of the above to me but hey, life is a
bitch
and it is your choice. Deal with it, I have.

No you haven't. You said that you would eat "humble pie".



What kind of sick, twisted, individual are you?

No less sick or twisted than you. You baited, I bit. Tough! More fool me,
poor sad you.

I did *not* try to bait you.

Joe, and Jeff were fair bait because they had *both* seen my claim that I
had only taken the shorebased exam.



Are you sooo pleased with
your Practial certificate that you feel qualified to sneer at those of
us
who only took the theory course?


Not at all. You have permitted me to build my uninformed assumptitions, in
part fed them. If you wind people up, you must be prepared for the fall
out.
You strike me as the boy in the playground taht winds up a fight and then
calls for the teacher.

I haven't asked for any help!

*You* strike me as a pompous ass who was only too happy to boast about his
qualifications. You also seemed happy to bring down some innocent
bystander in your pathetic attempt to demonstrate your superiority.

The strange thing is, that after your initial post, I immediately bowed to
your superiority, and that wasn't enough for you.

Why did you feel the need to prove that I was lying?



Takes more than a classroom
docket to be a YACHTMASTER. I think far from me eating humble pie, no
way.

You said that you would eat humble pie if I proved you wrong. It seems
that
you lied!


What have you proved me wrong over aside from being a faker (and that is
even still debatable)? I believe I said IMO you we not yachtmaster, and I
am
right.

Jeeeeze!!!

Do you want me to post your words?


You called me a "faker" ---- and you called me out!

You really should have the decency to apologise.





snip


Lets just face it Donal, you and I are not going to be lovers. We have
engaged in a game of brinkmanship and for various reasons neither of us
can
win outright. I posted a question that offened you for whatever reason and
you set me up for a fall. Well done, you did a good job and I bit and I
applaud your efforts. However, my primary question boiled down to 'are you
a
YM', and your answer is NO, so no humble pie for me to eat, but I have to
add nor are you truly a faker as you have rightly pointed out my query was
based on a false assumption I had made, which you permitted to exisist
longer than needed to gratify your need to feel good about something and
get
one over, cool, I can (as is my right) assume this is a chip due to the
lack
of the full YM coming through! (true or not does not matter) The way you
get
so offended by being questioned is sad though, you will gladly call
another
a LIAR and then get all tearful if you are on the recieving end, I feel I
have to advise you to get a life and stop throwing stones unless you can
deal with the a little broken glass of your own.

Why are you writing this nonsense?

Why don't you simply say that I wasn't lying?

This isn't about me proving that you are wrong. I have no wish to "dance
over your grave".

I just want to clear my name.

Regards


Donal
--

"Donal" wrote in message
...

all the usual selective memory stuff selectivly snipped

Donal
--


Jeeeeezes Donal, get a grip fella!

I have done all I am going to to clear your name over this issue. I have
fessed up to making false assumptions, so let it go.Think back to my
original post, 'Do really have a YM? - 14/01/2004 @ 20:55' was the question
to which I offered to eat 'humble pie', yet again I point to the fact you
eventually answered 'no', how many times do we have to do this.
You have an unhealthy preoccupation with the possibility of me lying and
there by defaming you, to lie I needed the facts that were not forthcoming!
If this will help you move on at all try looking at.
http://www.hyperdic.net/dic/l/liar.shtml. 'false witness', do you remember
you used the phrase 'As far as I remember, you have no inputs at all'. I
urge you to think before replying with yet another wounded tyrade, by your
own standards I should be stamping my foot waiting for an apology from you
over your dismissal of my sail training timings which you dismissed as lies,
also your assumption that I had an Ocean ticket (which I never claimed)
which led to you branding me a liar. Your own conduct has been no worse or
better than mine, as I said before, a game of brinkmanship, in this case it
has ended in stalemate.
This is getting so tedious, let it go, move on, we can do this tit-for-tat
rubbish till the end of time and it will not change my summing up in my
previous post.

JohnE

By the way, you can't let me have a couple of CT-4600A's cheap could you?