"Joe" wrote in message
om...

There you have it, the only info available was information that could be
gleaned without the use of any electronic device and no engines used.

JohnE

One mistake., You said all the information must be gleened without the
use of any electronic aids. And unless your using a lead line you were
cheating.


I noticed that, but he actually said "could be gleaned" without electronics.
The modern depth sounder actually give less info than the traditional lead line,
especially to someone very familiar with the area. Even the old "spinning neon
tube" sounders gave a lot of useful info. The "tridata" style sounder is
worthless compared to a basic fishfinder.

"Donal" wrote in message

Their labelling scheme is a bit odd. The "Gold" label is the standard
product, next comes "Black", and finally Green.

It's a few years since I had a bottle, but IIRC it was 10yo single malt.
Very smooth.

Seems young by Scottish standards. Then again those Irishmen always have
been in a hurry. I'll see if I can find some.

Max

"DSK" wrote in message

What do the French know about whiskey? They probably use it for cooking
snails.

They pretend it's cognac.

Max

"John.E" wrote in message
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Donal, I did my exam around 11 years ago. I had just started sailing and
was
studying my CC, DS, CS and YMOf & YMOc at the time you claim to have
passed
yours.

All of them? At the same time??? You are taking the p&ss! I don't
believe that anybody would/could study all these courses at the same time.
Do you really expect us to believe that you did the Competent Crew and the
Yachtmaster Ocean at the same time?


I think that you are a liar! I do not see that it is possible to meet the
the requirements for the YMO in the same year that you do the CC.


I can not say I noticed the exam guideline or curriculum changing in that
time. Which leads to my questions...

Do really have a YM?
Which is it?
What endorsments do you carry?
What is your issue number? At the rate they were/are awarded I would
imagine
we will be within 1000 of each other.

Go on, be brave, face me down on this one. I will eat humble pie if needed
but IMO you are a faker!

You are wrong. Why do you think that I am a faker? Get your knife and
fork ready.



Regards


Donal
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"MC" wrote in message
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Donal wrote:



I've also forgotton what most lights mean. If they have
anything unusual, then I give way.


Even to channel markers?



No, I know those! I was talking about the lights shown by various types
of vessel.


Regards


Donal
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"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Lanods latest words of wisdom"

Hmmmm! You have a steering wheel in the wheelhouse, don't you?

No I have a helm.



I'm beginning to think that you are confusing the word "navigate" with
"steer"!

Steering in the right direction is navigating you dunce.

Yes ..... and No! If you look back up the thread, it should become
obvious that they are different.



If your down
below and the guy above on the steering wheel (helm) is going in
circles and figure 8's it kind of hard to Navigate without any imput
with no compass below.

You have to assume that the guy on the helm is steering the course that you
requested.




At least I'm smart enough to put a compass over my bunk and one at my
nav station. Guess your are blacked out like a true Yachtmasters
should be.

Actually, I have a compass down below ... and a radar screen, ....

I just don't rely exclusively on them.


Regards


Donal
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Joe
MSV RedCloud





Regards

Donal
--

Donal wrote:
"MC" wrote in message
...


Donal wrote:



I've also forgotton what most lights mean. If they have
anything unusual, then I give way.


Even to channel markers?




No, I know those! I was talking about the lights shown by various types
of vessel.


Like a test?

Cheers

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"John.E" wrote in message
m...
This was applied in my exam... (sailing not motoring)

I got about two minutes to fix my position from a 3point/running fix and
I
was sent then below decks (with curtains closed and no outside view)...
Once below I was then supplied with my target...
(a bouy about 6-7 Nm away along the Solent, a very busy stretch of
water
full of commercial and pleasure traffic)
I was allowed the following info...
crew were permitted to supply shape of any bouy passed within
5-10mtrs... (not colour or markings)
crew could supply compass heading if course requested heading could
not
be achieved... (under sail, no motors)
crew could supply speed through water from log reading... (no VMG or
other compute details)
crew could supply current depth from echo sounder... (I assume the a
leadline is concidered to be aboard)
charts of given exam area and tidal atlas...
The examiner would also feed me various sound signals just to spcie
things
up!

There you have it, the only info available was information that could be
gleaned without the use of any electronic device and no engines used.

JohnE

Thanks John,

Excellent description.

With so many clues and imputs it seems to be fairly basic. With the
shapes of bouys who needs to know the color, and with the spacing
being far enough apart its real easy to reckon. With sound signals and
depth reading you should be able to stay in a channel and know exactly
were you are, or know when your getting out of it, and perhaps plot
your progress thru any area that has a bottom that varies in depth.
All this information that can be combined on any detailed chart for a
fairly accurate fix.

One mistake., You said all the information must be gleened without the
use of any electronic aids. And unless your using a lead line you were
cheating.


Touche' :-)) I did say a line was assumed, though it would have added more
spice have a crew member swing for me, the data supplied would have helped
as I could have had wax samples to help confirm the sea floor materials
(hoho)

I'm glad this answered your query Joe.

The UK YM Offshore (there is also an Ocean, a bitch theory paper, oral exam,
and qualifying passage with sights etc) is fairly tough. It runs for 6 to 8
hours none stop at sea, you take command of the vessel and off you go, under
the microscope. Though it is not the be all and end all of certification
though many people do fail it due to the range of areas examined and the
live condition of the test, no second chance, you deliver the lot on demand
in one go or you blow it. What it does do is let a lot of us go to sea with
the some sound sailing abilities to look after ourselves, our crews, our
vessels and hopefully remove the risk to other vessels and crews from our
bad calls.

John

As a foot note: The 2 most experienced (miles on boats) candidates that week
failed at the hands of my examiner. One had us run down by an imaginary ship
while following a channel and the the other failed the rudderless sailing
exercise (helm lashed, steer with the sails only) and sent a crew memebr
forward to change a sail in an F6-7 blow, in the dark, on thier own when we
had a total body count of 5, there were other sins to but these spring to
mind. The examiner was a Joint Services Sailing Instructor (military) and a
real stickler. He had me trolling about for 20 or 30 minutes once I had
arrived at my blind nav' destination claiming the bouy was not to be seen,
just waiting for my bottle to go. The crew gave it away in the end by
cracking up as I trolled past and past again the target :-) When he finally
let me out on deck, just as I ducked my head to light a smoke he call MOB,
more stress and on it went ... I went on to pass and became his lowest
mileage pass ever (some self praise), in fact I was around 50 miles short of
the minimum figure but as most of my sea time was single handed coastal
sailing (all tides and pilotage) he cut me the slack based on the range of
my experiences and competence. He did however then tell me to go away and
learn to sail :-) The following year I completed 3 trans-atlantics and
several Med-UK deliveried in capacity from deckie to skipper :-)) And 10
years on I am still learning...

Donal,

Mapped out a sailing program and got the local council to run it as a
retraining project to allow me and several others to knock most of them off
in a 6 month time slot. It bailed out our local sailing school for a while
until they rolled over and the project was bailed by the Docklands Trust.
Still got the silly little paper tags in the back of the logbook too, can
validate a time line if needed. Took my YM offshore practical about 12
months after that, did my Ocean qualifier about 3 months after that (theory
already bagged on project) but never did the oral as I just ain't so hot
with a sextant and sight reduction tables.

Still note you have not answered the call, good job diverting attention for
the question raised though.
You a faker or no Dolan?
I have my knife and fork ready if I need it, but I still ain't convinced.

JohnE

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"John.E" wrote in message
...

Donal, I did my exam around 11 years ago. I had just started sailing and
was
studying my CC, DS, CS and YMOf & YMOc at the time you claim to have
passed
yours.

All of them? At the same time??? You are taking the p&ss! I don't
believe that anybody would/could study all these courses at the same time.
Do you really expect us to believe that you did the Competent Crew and the
Yachtmaster Ocean at the same time?


I think that you are a liar! I do not see that it is possible to meet
the
the requirements for the YMO in the same year that you do the CC.


I can not say I noticed the exam guideline or curriculum changing in
that
time. Which leads to my questions...

Do really have a YM?
Which is it?
What endorsments do you carry?
What is your issue number? At the rate they were/are awarded I would
imagine
we will be within 1000 of each other.

Go on, be brave, face me down on this one. I will eat humble pie if
needed
but IMO you are a faker!

You are wrong. Why do you think that I am a faker? Get your knife and
fork ready.



Regards


Donal
--

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...

snip

I noticed that, but he actually said "could be gleaned" without
electronics.
The modern depth sounder actually give less info than the traditional lead
line,
especially to someone very familiar with the area. Even the old
"spinning neon
tube" sounders gave a lot of useful info. The "tridata" style sounder is
worthless compared to a basic fishfinder.


Spinning Neon :-)) Great arn't they. Fussy bar for soft stuff and clean
ping for bear rocks :-)) I still use one.

JohnE