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A very nice boat indeed. I was overtaken by one during the Round the
Island race about 4 years ago.

Hahahahaha~ bets that happens often on your boat.

It's such a rare event that I can clearly remember both the occasions when
it happened!

Probably the only two times you were actually sailing it!

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

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"Donal" wrote:
"Frank Maier" wrote:
"Donal" wrote:
"N1EE" wrote:
...snip...
It should be easy for one person to steer it.

True, but it would be difficult for that person to go forward in a
hurry.
They would have to climb up on to the sidedecks. As my kids are
reaching
the age where they might soon fly the nest, I am looking at boats with a
view to sailing them two handed.
...snip...

Well, I'm not familar with the Dehler line; ...snip...
Could you expand on having to go forward "in a hurry"?

I was thinking of going into the cockpit in a hurry, rather than going
forward onto the bow.
There are occasions when the main doesn't go up smoothly ... or perhaps when
trimming a cruising chute, ... even dumping the main in a hurry .....
I dunno, unexpected things happen on boats. My wife is not physically big,
and I don't like the idea of not being able to get there immediately.
I suppose that there is also another issue. I know many people whose
wives (occasionaly husbands) won't go sailing with them in anything but the
gentlest weather. ie motorsailing. I'm lucky that my wife will come
sailing with me when I say it's OK. It isn't her hobby, so if I want her to
come sailing, then I have to make sure that she enjoys it in a risk free
environment. That means that I have to be able to reach her before she gets
injured. So, that's why I don't like the idea of a big wheel.
Don't get me wrong, my wife isn't a wimp. She is excellent crew. It's
just that I know too many people who put their wives off sailing by taking
them out in innappropriate conditions. I even know one guy who had to sell
his boat!

Gotcha. You're comment is that the wheel is so big that it traps the
helmsman at his station and restricts him from moving forward *in the
cockpit*. That would be a PITA. So wouldn't it be a fairly inexpensive
solution to refit a smaller diameter wheel, if you like everything
else about the boat?

Unlike some Alpha males in the world of sailing, I agree with you
about working with your spouse. I love my wife; and if she's not
having fun, I'm not having fun. The kids, too. Frankly, it always
saddens me to see a 250 lb. guy at the wheel yelling at his 120 lb.
wife who's up on the pitching bow trying to manhandle a CQR which
weighs 1/3 of her total body mass. Ask her if she's enoying her sail!
The vast majority of the time when we're doing something "busy"
(raising sail, anchoring, gybing), my wife is at the helm and I do the
grunt work.

Not that I'm 250 or that she's 120! But that division of labor seems
to work for us.

Frank

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Donal declared: =20

-- I know too many people who put their wives off sailing by taking
them out in innappropriate conditions. =20

hat kind of wimpy-butted wives are those? Inappropriate conditions? =
Good grief...either you sail or you don't. Doesn't matter one iota =
whether you're a man or a woman. Inappropriate conditions...my =
hiney....Donal, sometimes I really worry about you.
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

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Maybe he's talking about having lots of nude female models onboard....

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Donal declared:

-- I know too many people who put their wives off sailing by taking
them out in innappropriate conditions.

hat kind of wimpy-butted wives are those? Inappropriate conditions? Good
grief...either you sail or you don't. Doesn't matter one iota whether
you're a man or a woman. Inappropriate conditions...my hiney....Donal,
sometimes I really worry about you.
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
A very nice boat indeed. I was overtaken by one during the Round the
Island race about 4 years ago.

Hahahahaha~ bets that happens often on your boat.

It's such a rare event that I can clearly remember both the occasions when
it happened!

Probably the only two times you were actually sailing it!


That's not a proper insult!

You used to be better than this. Perhaps you should try a course of
vitamins!



Regards

Donal
--

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You used to be better than this.

Why bother? You bite a bare hook!

Bwahahahaaha!

RB

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Donal,

I have a wide wheel on my outside helm in a "T" shaped cockpit. I very
seldom sail from behind the wheel! The joy of the big wheel is sailing
it from inside the cockpit with my crew/guests while forward of the
wheel. With the large wheel it is the logical location to sail it from.
Even more so when single-O. The only time I go behind the wheel, is to
make room when there is a crowd. Even then if it is people I've sailed
with, one of the crew will slide around and sit on the stern seats.

Ole Thom

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When running the self-tending jib with the large staysail, how does one
tack the staysail? I'm sure I've seen them run at the same time, I just
cant figure out how they tack the staysail without rolling it up each
time to get it on the other side of the jib.

Just wondering?

I think the Island Packets (larger ones) all come with the Hoyt
self-tending jib/ staysail setup.

-Grouchee

Thom Stewart wrote:
OK Bart,

I'll take a crack at the Self-tending jibs.
I do believe (I could be wrong) these jibs were used to reduce the size
of the Catboats sail.

The work boats, before the use of the gasoline engines, were single sail
vessels for ease of handling when used by water-men working by
themselves. An example would be the New England Catboat. As they got up
in size, the sail size became a problem. This was in the days of Gaff
Rigs.( the Marconni Rig didn't appear until after the advent of the
trans-Atlantic Radio antennas) The single sail's weakness grew. Two
heavy booms, weather helm/ with barn door rubber, increased beams to
maintain heeling and shallow draft.

These were the problems the were solved by the Jib ( The Friendship
Sloop) It allowed and increase in sail area without increasing the
main. Also, eased the pressure on the weather helm ( Rudder size)

As a working boat the extra lines for the jib weren't a welcome addition
to the Lobsterman, so the self-tending jib solved that problem. If the
mast was cantered back a little the boat would still turn into the wind
and wait as the traps were tended with hands off the helm.

This made a handy rig and was adopted by the day sailer design. That is
where, today you are likely to find the rig. In the knock abouts day
sailors.

Advantage; Increased sail area, less pressure aloft, Only one line to
trim and tack, Reduced beam, smaller rudders, Less crowded cockpits

Disadvantage; Size limit on jib (100%) A complicated foredeck

Ole Thom

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While I've seen cutter rigs with the inner jib self-tacking (usually a club-foot
stays'l) I've never seen the outer jib self-tacking.



"Grouch" wrote in message
...
When running the self-tending jib with the large staysail, how does one
tack the staysail? I'm sure I've seen them run at the same time, I just
cant figure out how they tack the staysail without rolling it up each
time to get it on the other side of the jib.

Just wondering?

I think the Island Packets (larger ones) all come with the Hoyt
self-tending jib/ staysail setup.

-Grouchee

Thom Stewart wrote:
OK Bart,

I'll take a crack at the Self-tending jibs.
I do believe (I could be wrong) these jibs were used to reduce the size
of the Catboats sail.

The work boats, before the use of the gasoline engines, were single sail
vessels for ease of handling when used by water-men working by
themselves. An example would be the New England Catboat. As they got up
in size, the sail size became a problem. This was in the days of Gaff
Rigs.( the Marconni Rig didn't appear until after the advent of the
trans-Atlantic Radio antennas) The single sail's weakness grew. Two
heavy booms, weather helm/ with barn door rubber, increased beams to
maintain heeling and shallow draft.

These were the problems the were solved by the Jib ( The Friendship
Sloop) It allowed and increase in sail area without increasing the
main. Also, eased the pressure on the weather helm ( Rudder size)

As a working boat the extra lines for the jib weren't a welcome addition
to the Lobsterman, so the self-tending jib solved that problem. If the
mast was cantered back a little the boat would still turn into the wind
and wait as the traps were tended with hands off the helm.

This made a handy rig and was adopted by the day sailer design. That is
where, today you are likely to find the rig. In the knock abouts day
sailors.

Advantage; Increased sail area, less pressure aloft, Only one line to
trim and tack, Reduced beam, smaller rudders, Less crowded cockpits

Disadvantage; Size limit on jib (100%) A complicated foredeck

Ole Thom

Self-tending jibs
 

The "staysail is the "inner" sail..... There are no self tacking genoas that
I know of. You don't run or unfurl the gen when using a "self-tending"
staysail.

CM

"Grouch" wrote in message
...
| When running the self-tending jib with the large staysail, how does one
| tack the staysail? I'm sure I've seen them run at the same time, I just
| cant figure out how they tack the staysail without rolling it up each
| time to get it on the other side of the jib.
|
| Just wondering?
|
| I think the Island Packets (larger ones) all come with the Hoyt
| self-tending jib/ staysail setup.
|
| -Grouchee
|
| Thom Stewart wrote:
| OK Bart,
|
| I'll take a crack at the Self-tending jibs.
| I do believe (I could be wrong) these jibs were used to reduce the size
| of the Catboats sail.
|
| The work boats, before the use of the gasoline engines, were single sail
| vessels for ease of handling when used by water-men working by
| themselves. An example would be the New England Catboat. As they got up
| in size, the sail size became a problem. This was in the days of Gaff
| Rigs.( the Marconni Rig didn't appear until after the advent of the
| trans-Atlantic Radio antennas) The single sail's weakness grew. Two
| heavy booms, weather helm/ with barn door rubber, increased beams to
| maintain heeling and shallow draft.
|
| These were the problems the were solved by the Jib ( The Friendship
| Sloop) It allowed and increase in sail area without increasing the
| main. Also, eased the pressure on the weather helm ( Rudder size)
|
| As a working boat the extra lines for the jib weren't a welcome addition
| to the Lobsterman, so the self-tending jib solved that problem. If the
| mast was cantered back a little the boat would still turn into the wind
| and wait as the traps were tended with hands off the helm.
|
| This made a handy rig and was adopted by the day sailer design. That is
| where, today you are likely to find the rig. In the knock abouts day
| sailors.
|
| Advantage; Increased sail area, less pressure aloft, Only one line to
| trim and tack, Reduced beam, smaller rudders, Less crowded cockpits
|
| Disadvantage; Size limit on jib (100%) A complicated foredeck
|
| Ole Thom
|
|