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Heaving a line
In bob's case, asphalt.
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... macadam or concrete? "Jonathan Ganz" wrote ... ... is the road attached to the boat. |
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Heaving a line
They whip them around their head, then let go of course.
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Do boaters in Mich. usually 'throw' their anchors overboard? Scotty "katysails" wrote in message ... Presumably, the other end is already attached to the boat. heh...I watched someone throw their anchor overboard once...the rode played out...and out...and out....and away......It was funny because it was not on my boat..... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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See anchor answer.
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Then why bother? "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Depends on who's on the dock... I was thinking Nutsy... |
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Heaving a line
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... In bob's case, assfat. Correct! Regards Donal -- |
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Scott asked: Do boaters in Mich. usually 'throw' their anchors =
overboard? Bass-holes do.....they just lob them over the side kerplop.... =20 --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Heaving a line
I was going to say a 5# mushroom anchor launched like an olympic hammer
throw would cover 50 to 60 feet quite easily I think. "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Katy is on the right track but a knot isn't,t the way to go. 5/8" is kind of heavy to be heaving but a pipe wrench or some other handy weighted object tied to the end will increase distance and accuracy. I've used a boat fender to send a line across the water way in our marina. I still used the two separate coils. The fender works well because it doesn't sink and can be grabbed with a boat hook Ole Thom |
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Heaving a line
Good answers.
Here is the method I use to heave a line. I make two coils and throw both coils underhanded on my dominant side--heaving them at an angle of about 45 degrees. I toss the coil with the bitter end first (dominant hand) and throw second coil with my other hand a spilt second later. Both arms swing and release on the same side. You can experiment to find the right number of coils to maximize your throw. With a little practice you will find your accuracy is astounding. I start with a new coil and split it into two sections, and then cock each wrist 45 degrees and hold my wrists loosely touching each other at about a 90 degree angle, and start swinging. With you wrists angled like this, swing the two coils back and forth several times to study the line while it is swinging to make the motion smooth--ensuring the coils are neat and free from fouling. On the third swing I release the dominant hand, and when then non-dominant hand when it is fully extended. If the coils don't look good, I stop, re-coil the line and try again. It is important the coils be as neat as possible so they can unroll smoothly. I've never measured my best line throwing distance using this method. However, I've never seen anyone that can beat me using this technique. Having long arms give me an edge over most people. I have seen people practicing this at the docks, and while make the toss, forgeting to make off the bitter end--tossing all the line in the harbor, spending the next 20 minutes with an extended boat hook trying recover it. grin There is no need to put a weight or knot on the end or a need to wetting down the end. Why? Because with this method you can pitch a line such that if done on land it will lay full length on the ground in nearly straight line away from you. There are four reasons not to put anything at the bitter end of a heavier line. First, there is the danger of hitting and injuring your receiver. Second, it is easier to catch. Third, the line can immediately be cleated off. And fourth, the line won't foul as easily, and if it does, it will be easier to clear any snags. I tend to overshoot--preferring to throw too long rather than short. I have to remember not to show off and toss it too far--which I've been known to do. Finally, if heaving a line to another boat, it is wise to ask them to switch to neutral gear. The one good reason for using a weight on the end is for distance, on a messenger line. A messenger line is very light with negligable mass; it can't be thrown unless there is a weight on the end. A good example: mono-filament fishing line with baseball sized sandbag or a small monkeys fist around a heavy core. A sandbag might be better than a monkey's fist, because it is easier to catch, less prone to cause injury to people or the boat. I can't say which would be better without experimenting. Has anyone tried both types of weights? The messenger, whether it is mono-filament or simply a lightweight line, is, as everyone knows, tied to heavier line, and must be strong enough to haul the heavier line across the distance without breaking. Bart Senior MC wrote You can also wet the throwing coil and add a figure 8 at the end for more range -if time permits. Cheers MC Jonathan Ganz wrote: More of a technical answer than mine, but I got it right first. :-) "MC" wrote 2 coils, say about 20-30' in throwing hand the rest in other hand. Use an underarm throw with shoulders swinging across the direct of throw (if you see what I mean) aiming to send the rope up and out at about 45 degrees and as soon at the short coil is flying open the other hand flat to let coils slip off. The rope must be coiled correctly to prevent tangles and the coil should be in the direction that the rope is flying so that the rotation imparted to the coil by the throw causes it to unwind. (I do not think flaking the line is a good idea as it will promote tangles more than a flying wide coil). Cheers N1EE wrote: What is the best way to heave a line for maximum range? Assumptions: You are in a hurry, you do not have a line launcher, messenger line, monkey's fist or any other weight at the end of the line you want to throw. All you have is 100' of 5/8" braided line. Bart Senior |
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Is 40' a throw too far?
Cheers N1EE wrote: Good answers. Here is the method I use to heave a line. I make two coils and throw both coils underhanded on my dominant side--heaving them at an angle of about 45 degrees. I toss the coil with the bitter end first (dominant hand) and throw second coil with my other hand a spilt second later. Both arms swing and release on the same side. You can experiment to find the right number of coils to maximize your throw. With a little practice you will find your accuracy is astounding. I start with a new coil and split it into two sections, and then cock each wrist 45 degrees and hold my wrists loosely touching each other at about a 90 degree angle, and start swinging. With you wrists angled like this, swing the two coils back and forth several times to study the line while it is swinging to make the motion smooth--ensuring the coils are neat and free from fouling. On the third swing I release the dominant hand, and when then non-dominant hand when it is fully extended. If the coils don't look good, I stop, re-coil the line and try again. It is important the coils be as neat as possible so they can unroll smoothly. I've never measured my best line throwing distance using this method. However, I've never seen anyone that can beat me using this technique. Having long arms give me an edge over most people. I have seen people practicing this at the docks, and while make the toss, forgeting to make off the bitter end--tossing all the line in the harbor, spending the next 20 minutes with an extended boat hook trying recover it. grin There is no need to put a weight or knot on the end or a need to wetting down the end. Why? Because with this method you can pitch a line such that if done on land it will lay full length on the ground in nearly straight line away from you. There are four reasons not to put anything at the bitter end of a heavier line. First, there is the danger of hitting and injuring your receiver. Second, it is easier to catch. Third, the line can immediately be cleated off. And fourth, the line won't foul as easily, and if it does, it will be easier to clear any snags. I tend to overshoot--preferring to throw too long rather than short. I have to remember not to show off and toss it too far--which I've been known to do. Finally, if heaving a line to another boat, it is wise to ask them to switch to neutral gear. The one good reason for using a weight on the end is for distance, on a messenger line. A messenger line is very light with negligable mass; it can't be thrown unless there is a weight on the end. A good example: mono-filament fishing line with baseball sized sandbag or a small monkeys fist around a heavy core. A sandbag might be better than a monkey's fist, because it is easier to catch, less prone to cause injury to people or the boat. I can't say which would be better without experimenting. Has anyone tried both types of weights? The messenger, whether it is mono-filament or simply a lightweight line, is, as everyone knows, tied to heavier line, and must be strong enough to haul the heavier line across the distance without breaking. Bart Senior MC wrote You can also wet the throwing coil and add a figure 8 at the end for more range -if time permits. Cheers MC Jonathan Ganz wrote: More of a technical answer than mine, but I got it right first. :-) "MC" wrote 2 coils, say about 20-30' in throwing hand the rest in other hand. Use an underarm throw with shoulders swinging across the direct of throw (if you see what I mean) aiming to send the rope up and out at about 45 degrees and as soon at the short coil is flying open the other hand flat to let coils slip off. The rope must be coiled correctly to prevent tangles and the coil should be in the direction that the rope is flying so that the rotation imparted to the coil by the throw causes it to unwind. (I do not think flaking the line is a good idea as it will promote tangles more than a flying wide coil). Cheers N1EE wrote: What is the best way to heave a line for maximum range? Assumptions: You are in a hurry, you do not have a line launcher, messenger line, monkey's fist or any other weight at the end of the line you want to throw. All you have is 100' of 5/8" braided line. Bart Senior |
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If you are throwing to a person, then aim for directly over their
heads. They will raise their arms to protect themselves, and then will find it easy to snag the rope and catch it. DO NOT try to throw it to them like you might a ball, for instance, with the end landing right in front of them or at their hand. Lonny DSK wrote in message ... N1EE wrote: What is the best way to heave a line for maximum range? With a shot line & messenger. Assumptions: You are in a hurry, you do not have a line launcher, messenger line, monkey's fist or any other weight at the end of the line you want to throw. All you have is 100' of 5/8" braided line. hmmm... 100'?? I'll tip my hat to anybody who can throw a line more than about 40' The best way to throw a line is to flake about ten feet into your throwing hand, running part up, and hold a flaked run in your other hand, and give an exaggerated overhand throw like an old-time grenadier. If you've got room to take two steps into the throw, that adds some momentum as well. The biggest problem is that the line usually tangles long before it gets to effective range, so it pays to be extra careful flaking it out for the throw. The next biggest problem is that the thrown line has to carry the weight of all the line going with it, so that's why you put a length in your free hand to pay it out easier. Personally, I much prefer to never throw lines. Unless the crew is drilled at this, they always fall short and then you've got a worse problem. The exception would be taking another boat in tow in an emergency, with a heavy sea running so that coming close alongside would be asking for damage, or pulling a person out of the water. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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