"katysails" wrote in message ...
Joe complained:
screw tape always wears out unravels rotts fades


That's why you're supposed to perform regular MAINTENANCE..so you catch
these things before they happen.


I'd rather do it right the first time, thank you very much.

Joe
MSV RedCloud

They will work themselves out if the tape comes off and if a line gets
snagged
and gets them to the inner ring (for lack of a better term for it). I've
seen it happen.
If the straight cotter is done properly, there is no way you're going to
gouge yourself
on it. Also, it will have tape, just like the ring.

"katysails" wrote in message
...
We use ring and tape. too. Aside from the fact that the rings don't work
themselves out or snap off, you also don't get gouged in the ankle by a bent
over cotter pin on the way by. BTW, bobbypins can be used as SHORT TERM
emergency voter pins if you're in a real crunch...just remember to replace
them...they rust through very quickly and won't take a lot of load for a
lonmg period of time. They are stronger than paperclips, though.

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

I'll go out on a limb ... Why do they need securing?

I'm really not advocating this, but ...

When I bought my current boat I went to the factory for a week of acceptance
tests, commissioning, etc. The boat was all rigged for us, but there were no
cotter pins installed. They explained that as soon as we left, the mast would
be pulled for the delivery down the Erie Canal, and there was no need to install
the cotter pins for just a few day sails. I was skeptical, and checked every
turnbuckle morning, noon, and night but of course, there was no movement at all.

I've also wondered if both ends of the turnbuckle need a pin - for it to turn,
the stay must twist. I hard to see how it could loosen more than a quarter
turn.

As I say, I'm not advocating never using pins, and all of my stay have split
pins, but I'm not sure losing one pin is an immediate crisis.

On the other hand, as an ex-dinghy sailor whose boats were rigged with clevis
and ring pins, I can say its rather unnerving to find a ring-ding in the bilge!



"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
What's the best cotter pin type to secure
a turnbuckle?

Bart Senior

How does one tell if a stay is twisted while the turnbuckle is still
attached?

SV

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
I'll go out on a limb ... Why do they need securing?

I'm really not advocating this, but ...

When I bought my current boat I went to the factory for a week of
acceptance
tests, commissioning, etc. The boat was all rigged for us, but there were
no
cotter pins installed. They explained that as soon as we left, the mast
would
be pulled for the delivery down the Erie Canal, and there was no need to
install
the cotter pins for just a few day sails. I was skeptical, and checked
every
turnbuckle morning, noon, and night but of course, there was no movement
at all.

I've also wondered if both ends of the turnbuckle need a pin - for it to
turn,
the stay must twist. I hard to see how it could loosen more than a
quarter
turn.

As I say, I'm not advocating never using pins, and all of my stay have
split
pins, but I'm not sure losing one pin is an immediate crisis.

On the other hand, as an ex-dinghy sailor whose boats were rigged with
clevis
and ring pins, I can say its rather unnerving to find a ring-ding in the
bilge!



"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
What's the best cotter pin type to secure
a turnbuckle?

Bart Senior

I don't know - I've never seen any evidence that a turnbuckle has loosened, at
least not a larger boat with open turnbuckles and some tension on the stays. On
smaller boats, I have seen them rattle open, and I've even the wire unlay a bit,
but that was on a club boat that raised and lowered the mast frequently, and was
generally mis-treated.


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
How does one tell if a stay is twisted while the turnbuckle is still
attached?

SV

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
I'll go out on a limb ... Why do they need securing?

I'm really not advocating this, but ...

When I bought my current boat I went to the factory for a week of
acceptance
tests, commissioning, etc. The boat was all rigged for us, but there were
no
cotter pins installed. They explained that as soon as we left, the mast
would
be pulled for the delivery down the Erie Canal, and there was no need to
install
the cotter pins for just a few day sails. I was skeptical, and checked
every
turnbuckle morning, noon, and night but of course, there was no movement
at all.

I've also wondered if both ends of the turnbuckle need a pin - for it to
turn,
the stay must twist. I hard to see how it could loosen more than a
quarter
turn.

As I say, I'm not advocating never using pins, and all of my stay have
split
pins, but I'm not sure losing one pin is an immediate crisis.

On the other hand, as an ex-dinghy sailor whose boats were rigged with
clevis
and ring pins, I can say its rather unnerving to find a ring-ding in the
bilge!



"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
What's the best cotter pin type to secure
a turnbuckle?

Bart Senior

Oops, I wanted to start a new thread!

(N1EE) wrote

What's the best cotter pin type to secure
a turnbuckle?

Bart Senior