Jeff Morris wrote:


must be maintained "at all times."

I do indeed take the "lookout" rule as an absolute.


Do you have a lookout posted now?

No.


Do you
have a lookout when you're anchored overnight, at on a mooring? In a

slip?

I certainly do not post a lookout when I'm in a slip.



Then you're ignoring the rule! They are unequivocal - "Every vessel shall at
all times maintain a proper look-out" - there is nothing that says, "except when
its not convenient."



Just my two cents, COLREGS, 'Regulations for the Avoidance of Collisions at Sea' (sic);
being in a slip is not "At Sea", Colregs do not apply IMHO

Cheers
Marty

You need look no further than the first sentence to see the applicability:

1(a) These Rules shall apply to all vessels upon the high seas and in all waters
connected therewith navigable by seagoing vessels.

If the slip is in waters connected to the sea, they are applicable. I'll admit
the my logic is strained, but the "letter of the law" is clear: a lookout is
required at all times, even when anchored, moored, or tied up to a dock. It is
only because of court interpretation that this rule is "relaxed." Donal is
claiming that courts do not have a part in this process; this is simply a case
where it should be clear to anyone that they do.

But I appreciate that you're still reading this.

-jeff





"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Jeff Morris wrote:


must be maintained "at all times."

I do indeed take the "lookout" rule as an absolute.


Do you have a lookout posted now?

No.


Do you
have a lookout when you're anchored overnight, at on a mooring? In a

slip?

I certainly do not post a lookout when I'm in a slip.



Then you're ignoring the rule! They are unequivocal - "Every vessel shall
at
all times maintain a proper look-out" - there is nothing that says, "except
when
its not convenient."



Just my two cents, COLREGS, 'Regulations for the Avoidance of Collisions at
Sea' (sic);
being in a slip is not "At Sea", Colregs do not apply IMHO

Cheers
Marty

Jeff Morris wrote:

You need look no further than the first sentence to see the applicability:

1(a) These Rules shall apply to all vessels upon the high seas and in all waters
connected therewith navigable by seagoing vessels.

If the slip is in waters connected to the sea, they are applicable. I'll admit
the my logic is strained, .

But I appreciate that you're still reading this.


Yes, it does seem to be getting a bit pendantic, consider, is a slip navigable
waters? Perhaps we should debate the number of angels per pin head (I'm not talking
about Bob, tho' he can use all the help he can get).

Cheers
Marty

We cold play all sorts of games around this - if a slip is oversized, are you in
"navigable waters" when you pass through the mouth?

I recall at least one court case where it was felt that a ship at a dock should
have a lookout to warn off passers-by because it was sticking out past the end
of the dock

But if this issue seems too pedantic, just consider the case of vessels
anchored: How many people have kept an all-night watch on an anchored vessel?
Certainly, one can find conditions where one should, and perhaps other times
when one needn't bother. However, there are not such qualification in the
rules: a lookout is always required. It is the role of the courts to advise us
on when that is truly so.

-jeff


"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Jeff Morris wrote:

You need look no further than the first sentence to see the applicability:

1(a) These Rules shall apply to all vessels upon the high seas and in all
waters
connected therewith navigable by seagoing vessels.

If the slip is in waters connected to the sea, they are applicable. I'll
admit
the my logic is strained, .

But I appreciate that you're still reading this.


Yes, it does seem to be getting a bit pendantic, consider, is a slip navigable
waters? Perhaps we should debate the number of angels per pin head (I'm not
talking
about Bob, tho' he can use all the help he can get).

Cheers
Marty