That's the problem with cheap, lightweight racing boats.

The bottom line is they are unsafe for cruising or ocean
voyaging. When voyaging or cruising one needs a boat
that is built heavy enough to abide the constant strain.

Take my Coronado 27, for example. She is built to take
the abuse the sea can dish out. She is a couple inches thick
where the keel attaches and the keel fits into a cassette
where a large, rectangular boss distributes the forces.
The keel bolts, unfortunately, were on the puny side
because the manufacturer claimed they really only were
needed for holding the keel boss tightly into the cassette
until the epoxy dried. Once dried, the epoxy bond is
supposed to be strong enough. As evidenced by inspecting
the keel to hull joint this seems to be the case. However,
to be on the safe side I installed four very stout (one inch
diameter) keel bolt in addition to the factory installed half
inch hardware.

My keel is there to stay. Also, "Cut the Mustard" enjoys the
benefits of a shoal draft keel which imparts far less strain
on the hull/cassette and hardware in the first place. Why
some people go off and get themselves killed in cheap,
lightweight boats in the name of performance is beyond
my ability to comprehend. Is an ego trip worth one's life?
I think not. I would rather cruise a knot or so slower
and be safe about it than be subjected to catastrophic
failures of loss of life. You can have your Express 30's
Pearson Flyers, J/Boats and any of that other crap that
is ultimately unsuited to be put to sea.

S.Simon



Captain William Collin, Master of the barque Grimenza wrote in message ...

Rising Farrster, a Farr 38 dropped her keel and 2 of 6 onboard
drowned.
Implications for owners of yachts built prior to 1994.
http://www.sail-world.com/index.cfm?SEID=0&Nid=11942




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Keels are an unnecessary complication. The first requirement of a boat is that
it should float. A ballasted keel is trying to do the opposite. People were
crossing oceans for a thousand years before someone got the dumb idea of putting
rocks in the bottom of a boat.


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
That's the problem with cheap, lightweight racing boats.

The bottom line is they are unsafe for cruising or ocean
voyaging. When voyaging or cruising one needs a boat
that is built heavy enough to abide the constant strain.

Take my Coronado 27, for example. She is built to take
the abuse the sea can dish out. She is a couple inches thick
where the keel attaches and the keel fits into a cassette
where a large, rectangular boss distributes the forces.
The keel bolts, unfortunately, were on the puny side
because the manufacturer claimed they really only were
needed for holding the keel boss tightly into the cassette
until the epoxy dried. Once dried, the epoxy bond is
supposed to be strong enough. As evidenced by inspecting
the keel to hull joint this seems to be the case. However,
to be on the safe side I installed four very stout (one inch
diameter) keel bolt in addition to the factory installed half
inch hardware.

My keel is there to stay. Also, "Cut the Mustard" enjoys the
benefits of a shoal draft keel which imparts far less strain
on the hull/cassette and hardware in the first place. Why
some people go off and get themselves killed in cheap,
lightweight boats in the name of performance is beyond
my ability to comprehend. Is an ego trip worth one's life?
I think not. I would rather cruise a knot or so slower
and be safe about it than be subjected to catastrophic
failures of loss of life. You can have your Express 30's
Pearson Flyers, J/Boats and any of that other crap that
is ultimately unsuited to be put to sea.

S.Simon



Captain William Collin, Master of the barque Grimenza wrote in message
...

Rising Farrster, a Farr 38 dropped her keel and 2 of 6 onboard
drowned.
Implications for owners of yachts built prior to 1994.
http://www.sail-world.com/index.cfm?SEID=0&Nid=11942




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

"Simple Simon" wrote ...
That's the problem with cheap Coronados.
The bottom line is they are unsafe for cruising or ocean
voyaging.


Why
some people go off sailing boats is beyond
my ability to comprehend.

S.Simon

Simple Simon wrote:

Take my Coronado 27, for example.

Take it to the dump. The story was about real boats, not your plastic
trailerboat with the broken boom.

When are you going to understand that when people talk about boats and
sailors they mean real boats and real sailors, not wannabes like you and
your toy boat.

Rick

Lucky my boat was built in NZ with the proper hull thickness eh?

Cheers MC

Captain William Collin, Master of the barque Grimenza wrote:
Rising Farrster, a Farr 38 dropped her keel and 2 of 6 onboard
drowned.
Implications for owners of yachts built prior to 1994.
http://www.sail-world.com/index.cfm?SEID=0&Nid=11942




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Thus spoke the scantlings expert: "The expoxy dried"

Cheers MC



Simple Simon wrote:

That's the problem with cheap, lightweight racing boats.

The bottom line is they are unsafe for cruising or ocean
voyaging. When voyaging or cruising one needs a boat
that is built heavy enough to abide the constant strain.

Take my Coronado 27, for example. She is built to take
the abuse the sea can dish out. She is a couple inches thick
where the keel attaches and the keel fits into a cassette
where a large, rectangular boss distributes the forces.
The keel bolts, unfortunately, were on the puny side
because the manufacturer claimed they really only were
needed for holding the keel boss tightly into the cassette
until the epoxy dried. Once dried, the epoxy bond is
supposed to be strong enough. As evidenced by inspecting
the keel to hull joint this seems to be the case. However,
to be on the safe side I installed four very stout (one inch
diameter) keel bolt in addition to the factory installed half
inch hardware.

My keel is there to stay. Also, "Cut the Mustard" enjoys the
benefits of a shoal draft keel which imparts far less strain
on the hull/cassette and hardware in the first place. Why
some people go off and get themselves killed in cheap,
lightweight boats in the name of performance is beyond
my ability to comprehend. Is an ego trip worth one's life?
I think not. I would rather cruise a knot or so slower
and be safe about it than be subjected to catastrophic
failures of loss of life. You can have your Express 30's
Pearson Flyers, J/Boats and any of that other crap that
is ultimately unsuited to be put to sea.

S.Simon



Captain William Collin, Master of the barque Grimenza wrote in message ...

Rising Farrster, a Farr 38 dropped her keel and 2 of 6 onboard
drowned.
Implications for owners of yachts built prior to 1994.
http://www.sail-world.com/index.cfm?SEID=0&Nid=11942




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Perhaps when they met a storm they died too.

Cheers MC

Jeff Morris wrote:

Keels are an unnecessary complication. The first requirement of a boat is that
it should float. A ballasted keel is trying to do the opposite. People were
crossing oceans for a thousand years before someone got the dumb idea of putting
rocks in the bottom of a boat.


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

That's the problem with cheap, lightweight racing boats.

The bottom line is they are unsafe for cruising or ocean
voyaging. When voyaging or cruising one needs a boat
that is built heavy enough to abide the constant strain.

Take my Coronado 27, for example. She is built to take
the abuse the sea can dish out. She is a couple inches thick
where the keel attaches and the keel fits into a cassette
where a large, rectangular boss distributes the forces.
The keel bolts, unfortunately, were on the puny side
because the manufacturer claimed they really only were
needed for holding the keel boss tightly into the cassette
until the epoxy dried. Once dried, the epoxy bond is
supposed to be strong enough. As evidenced by inspecting
the keel to hull joint this seems to be the case. However,
to be on the safe side I installed four very stout (one inch
diameter) keel bolt in addition to the factory installed half
inch hardware.

My keel is there to stay. Also, "Cut the Mustard" enjoys the
benefits of a shoal draft keel which imparts far less strain
on the hull/cassette and hardware in the first place. Why
some people go off and get themselves killed in cheap,
lightweight boats in the name of performance is beyond
my ability to comprehend. Is an ego trip worth one's life?
I think not. I would rather cruise a knot or so slower
and be safe about it than be subjected to catastrophic
failures of loss of life. You can have your Express 30's
Pearson Flyers, J/Boats and any of that other crap that
is ultimately unsuited to be put to sea.

S.Simon



Captain William Collin, Master of the barque Grimenza wrote in message

...

Rising Farrster, a Farr 38 dropped her keel and 2 of 6 onboard
drowned.
Implications for owners of yachts built prior to 1994.
http://www.sail-world.com/index.cfm?SEID=0&Nid=11942




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

My keel stub is 2" thick and forms part of the structural grid. 8 of
the bolts are in double rows as well...

Cheers MC


Captain William Collin, Master of the barque Grimenza wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:51:06 +1300, The_navigator©
scribbled thusly:


Lucky my boat was built in NZ with the proper hull thickness eh?

Cheers MC


Are you sure?
ABS was and still is pretty much the standard used by all
boatbuilders.
Generally they wouldn't build stronger than what was at the time the
rule.
http://www.sail-world.com/index.cfm?SEID=0&Nid=11942


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Maybe you're lucky it hasn't snapped of yet.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
Lucky my boat was built in NZ with the proper hull thickness eh?

Cheers MC

Captain William Collin, Master of the barque Grimenza wrote:
Rising Farrster, a Farr 38 dropped her keel and 2 of 6 onboard
drowned.
Implications for owners of yachts built prior to 1994.
http://www.sail-world.com/index.cfm?SEID=0&Nid=11942




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Captain William Collin, Master of the barque Grimenza wrote

No actually it was a problem with regulations .....

Regulations ARE a problem. Foolish buyers of automobiles, boats, medicines,
et al, think that regulations are there to protect them from their own
ignorance and stupidity. In fact they protect unscrupulous manufacturers.
"My product conforms to Government regulations" provides a fine defense
against lawsuits.