BG Comments interspersed .... I see you didn't want to touch the
subjects of tsunami's and stability. Your lack of knowledge and
inexperience showing again?

Simple Simon wrote:
I'm not the one bragging about being aboard boats that
get structure stove in by large waves am I?

Didn't see any bragging on my part, and considering the potential for
damage to that ship, what she sustained and survived would be considered
acceptable.

I've sailed
up and down many a fifty footer with no problem. Any and
all structure aboard my boat is still intact and shows
no wave damage.

Doubt you've ever seen a 50 footer. You haven't done enough deep sea
sailing. If by chance you had seen even a 30 footer ..... we all get lucky.

I'll admit I've never even seen a hundred-footer in person
but that's because I'm smart enough to avoid them. Can
you claim the same?

Once again, your lack of experience showing. If you go to sea long
enough, where you are trying to get from point A to point B, you are
bound to run into conditions that mean you will have to deal with some
serious weather. You can avoid some things, but others you just have to
deal with.
I remember a picture which was making the rounds of the web, showing a
tanker in heavy weather, going to Alaska. I have been Master of that
tanker, on that run, and seen the same .... sometimes you are stuck
dealing with what you are dealt, and in the case of a rogue, you
generally have no fore warning, which means, in your case, odds on, we
wouldn't be having this discussion if you had ever run across one.
BG Try as you might, Neal, you will never see the conditions, I've
seen.... and to be honest, I hope you don't.

otn

otnmbrd wrote:

I remember a picture which was making the rounds of the web, showing a
tanker in heavy weather, going to Alaska. I have been Master of that
tanker, on that run, and seen the same .... sometimes you are stuck
dealing with what you are dealt, and in the case of a rogue, you
generally have no fore warning, which means, in your case, odds on, we
wouldn't be having this discussion if you had ever run across one.
BG Try as you might, Neal, you will never see the conditions, I've
seen.... and to be honest, I hope you don't.

All of us who have sailed on the Valdez run had a more than a fair share
of that kind of seas. When we started running from Valdez to the Far
East is when it got really nasty and on one trip we really did have 30
meter waves for several days straight with winds steady in the 80's and
gusting to over a hundred. Could hardly tell the difference between sea
and sky most of the time. Nil would have crawled into a lifeboat and
cried if he could have made it that far.

Would love to have Nil experience that sometime. Would shut the fool up
maybe if he didn't move to Kansas. Either way if it got him off the
water the seas would be a lot safer. Of course by the sound of his
seamanship and general nautical knowledge I am not sure he has much
contact with the sea aside from buying canned tuna anyway.

Rick

I love it when the tugboat captains all get together
and stroke each other's flagging egos. Their old
memories are those of a fisherman who caught a
minnow which grew into a whale in the telling . . .

S.Simon


"Rick" wrote in message hlink.net...
otnmbrd wrote:

I remember a picture which was making the rounds of the web, showing a
tanker in heavy weather, going to Alaska. I have been Master of that
tanker, on that run, and seen the same .... sometimes you are stuck
dealing with what you are dealt, and in the case of a rogue, you
generally have no fore warning, which means, in your case, odds on, we
wouldn't be having this discussion if you had ever run across one.
BG Try as you might, Neal, you will never see the conditions, I've
seen.... and to be honest, I hope you don't.

All of us who have sailed on the Valdez run had a more than a fair share
of that kind of seas. When we started running from Valdez to the Far
East is when it got really nasty and on one trip we really did have 30
meter waves for several days straight with winds steady in the 80's and
gusting to over a hundred. Could hardly tell the difference between sea
and sky most of the time. Nil would have crawled into a lifeboat and
cried if he could have made it that far.

Would love to have Nil experience that sometime. Would shut the fool up
maybe if he didn't move to Kansas. Either way if it got him off the
water the seas would be a lot safer. Of course by the sound of his
seamanship and general nautical knowledge I am not sure he has much
contact with the sea aside from buying canned tuna anyway.

Rick

ROFLMAO Didn't think you'd be able to come up with any response that
would show any experience with "heavy weather". Stick to the Bay, Neal,
we'll all be safer

Simple Simon wrote:
I love it when the tugboat captains all get together
and stroke each other's flagging egos. Their old
memories are those of a fisherman who caught a
minnow which grew into a whale in the telling . . .

S.Simon


"Rick" wrote in message hlink.net...

otnmbrd wrote:


I remember a picture which was making the rounds of the web, showing a
tanker in heavy weather, going to Alaska. I have been Master of that
tanker, on that run, and seen the same .... sometimes you are stuck
dealing with what you are dealt, and in the case of a rogue, you
generally have no fore warning, which means, in your case, odds on, we
wouldn't be having this discussion if you had ever run across one.
BG Try as you might, Neal, you will never see the conditions, I've
seen.... and to be honest, I hope you don't.

All of us who have sailed on the Valdez run had a more than a fair share
of that kind of seas. When we started running from Valdez to the Far
East is when it got really nasty and on one trip we really did have 30
meter waves for several days straight with winds steady in the 80's and
gusting to over a hundred. Could hardly tell the difference between sea
and sky most of the time. Nil would have crawled into a lifeboat and
cried if he could have made it that far.

Would love to have Nil experience that sometime. Would shut the fool up
maybe if he didn't move to Kansas. Either way if it got him off the
water the seas would be a lot safer. Of course by the sound of his
seamanship and general nautical knowledge I am not sure he has much
contact with the sea aside from buying canned tuna anyway.

Rick

Simple Simon wrote:

Poor old Nil. Never was never will.

Rick

Heavy seas to Alaska you wrote about:

http://www.tv-antenna.com/heavy-seas/



otnmbrd wrote in message hlink.net...
BG Comments interspersed .... I see you didn't want to touch the
subjects of tsunami's and stability. Your lack of knowledge and
inexperience showing again?

Simple Simon wrote:
I'm not the one bragging about being aboard boats that
get structure stove in by large waves am I?

Didn't see any bragging on my part, and considering the potential for
damage to that ship, what she sustained and survived would be considered
acceptable.

I've sailed
up and down many a fifty footer with no problem. Any and
all structure aboard my boat is still intact and shows
no wave damage.

Doubt you've ever seen a 50 footer. You haven't done enough deep sea
sailing. If by chance you had seen even a 30 footer ..... we all get lucky.

I'll admit I've never even seen a hundred-footer in person
but that's because I'm smart enough to avoid them. Can
you claim the same?

Once again, your lack of experience showing. If you go to sea long
enough, where you are trying to get from point A to point B, you are
bound to run into conditions that mean you will have to deal with some
serious weather. You can avoid some things, but others you just have to
deal with.
I remember a picture which was making the rounds of the web, showing a
tanker in heavy weather, going to Alaska. I have been Master of that
tanker, on that run, and seen the same .... sometimes you are stuck
dealing with what you are dealt, and in the case of a rogue, you
generally have no fore warning, which means, in your case, odds on, we
wouldn't be having this discussion if you had ever run across one.
BG Try as you might, Neal, you will never see the conditions, I've
seen.... and to be honest, I hope you don't.

otn

HarryV wrote:
Heavy seas to Alaska you wrote about:

http://www.tv-antenna.com/heavy-seas/

BG Thems the ones. Considering the angle they are meeting that sea, it
wouldn't surprise me that they where broaching at the time these were taken.

otn