Generous? Using taxpayer money in gargantuan amounts to stage a photo op for
future campaign commercials is generous?


Bill, consider this:
Even if Bush was there for a photo op, the RESULT is still the same. Some very
isolated and lonely American soldiers felt better on a Holiday far from home.

This one isn't about politics and Bush is busy wasting away our country in
other more useless ways.

RB

I too am not a Bush supporter, but I have to agree it was a grand gesture to
the troops, and deserves to be appaluded. Certianly a positive.
"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I'm not trying to amplify it. If that's what I did, it was unintentional.
He's an idiot for doing it. Just because his protection is good, doesn't
make it perfect.

By that logic he should never fly. If there was any reasonable risk he
wouldn't
have gone. The very fact that he went proves that. The man does very few
positive things, but I'm not so biased that I can't see it when it
happens.
Since nothing bad happened and the troops were cheered, it was a
"positive"
event.

RB

We could have saved the taxpayers millions of dollars and made those guys a lot
happier by sending Halle Berry over


I've met her. She's quite an unhappy person and tends to let people know it.


RB

This was ALL about politics - nothing else.


I'm not disputing what it's about. I'm simply pointing out that it did have a
positive effect on the troops.


RB

Bush wouldn't have even made the
trip at all unless he heard first that Hillary was about to beat him there.

Hillary also went to Iraq?

RB

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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:00:09 GMT, wrote:

On 30 Nov 2003 18:37:05 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

Generous? Using taxpayer money in gargantuan amounts to stage a photo
op for future campaign commercials is generous?


Bill, consider this:
Even if Bush was there for a photo op, the RESULT is still the same.
Some very isolated and lonely American soldiers felt better on a
Holiday far from home.

This one isn't about politics and Bush is busy wasting away our
country in other more useless ways.

RB

We could have saved the taxpayers millions of dollars and made those
guys a lot happier by sending Halle Berry over, or better yet,
bringing them home to their families.

This was ALL about politics - nothing else. Bush wouldn't have even
made the trip at all unless he heard first that Hillary was about to
beat him there.

BB

I think it's great that both of them went. Democrat soldiers got to see
Hillary--one of their political heroes. Republican soldiers ( the
majority :-) ) got to see their Commander-in-Chief and the Leader of
the Republican Party in this tight election year. In both cases, the
troops see that they're appreciated, and not forgotten. The more US
politicians that go, the better, and the more insignificant they are
(smaller targets) the luckier they are, because they get to spend more
time looking around in Iraq.

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The "positive effect" on troops is wide open to debate as well. There are many
things that could have had a much more positive effect on the troops than a
visit from the draft-evader-in-chief, who put them in harms way for absolutely
no good reason. You are much too easily taken in by political glad-handing.

No, Bill. I'm just being realistic. Of course there's politics in actions from
politicians. And now you want to debate the level of positive effect? How does
that matter? I simply said it had a positive effect and that's that. I honestly
don't think sending a movie star over would be very inspiring.
Again I dislike Bush, probably far more than you do. But I can still be
objective and not turn his every action into something negative.

RB

the
troops see that they're appreciated, and not forgotten.

Exactly. I don't care about the politcial pink politics. That's all smoke and
mirrors anyway. I DO care about the troops and both trips by Hillary and Bush
gave many of them a boost.
Critique the motive till you turn purple, but there was a positive effect.

RB

No, Bill. I'm just being realistic.

No, you are doing exactly what the very cynical Bush machine hoped you would
do.

Which is what, Bill? I'd vote for a dried mushroom over Bush, no matter how
many soldiers he cheers up. He PUT THEM THERE afterall. I see the big picture,
but I can still see when something good happens within a realistic context.

My last post on this. The parting comment is all yours.

RB

True, but only in retrospect. The Pres has no business risking his life,
which is what he did. Same as the carrier landing... a stunt to get
re-elected.
Nothing more.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I'm not trying to amplify it. If that's what I did, it was unintentional.
He's an idiot for doing it. Just because his protection is good, doesn't
make it perfect.

By that logic he should never fly. If there was any reasonable risk he
wouldn't
have gone. The very fact that he went proves that. The man does very few
positive things, but I'm not so biased that I can't see it when it
happens.
Since nothing bad happened and the troops were cheered, it was a
"positive"
event.

RB