Why do you say that? I'd say the foretriangle matches the mizzen quite
well. If the C of E of the main matches the CLR (as it should for a
balanced ketch) then she will balance under miz and foresail.

Cheers MC

DSK wrote:

DSK wrote:
Not all ketches will do it well.


The navigator© wrote:
Can you give an example?


Sure.... any ketch that doesn't balance well under
jib & mizzen. It doesn't happen automagically,
y'know.

I can't say firsthand, but I suspect that Mari-Cha
4 doesn't balance at all under jib & mizzen. So
there!

DSK

Bwhahahahhahahaha. You are NUTS.

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:

Tri sail all the way, baby! Storm jib and mizzen can work, but only on heavier
crab crushers.

You fail to include the severity of conditions in any case.

RB

Hey Thom, what was the problem? Was she hobby horsing too much to get
way on? Was there a problem with excess weight in the ends?

Cheers MC



Thom Stewart wrote:

Sorry I hit the send by mistake and I want to finish this reply.

I finally got everything inboard and squared away and just let the boat
take care of itself. My only help was prayer and fear.

I decided all the damn stories I had heard weren't worth a PINT OF ****.

I don't know how to sail in a storm. The people who built my boat know
better than me

I don't say I'm right because I don't know but if you really have been
in a real storm and sailed successfully you can give advice. If you
haven't SHUT THE HELL UP

AND; "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!!" I now go bare headed in a hove attitude
but pray I'll not get caught again

Ole Thom

Read the book again, and try to get the title right at least.

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:

Honestly, have you ever, in your whole life ever sailed with storm sail
in a storm?
If you haven't, please don't offer hearsay advice.

The advice is from the book, Heavy Sailing Tactics.
No, I've not had much experience with a Ketch, but I plan to get some soon!

RB

Read the book again, and try to get the title right at least.

It's right in front of me. There a little pic of a the Jib and stormsail setup.

RB

And the title is? What is the bottom line conclusion?

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:

Read the book again, and try to get the title right at least.

It's right in front of me. There a little pic of a the Jib and stormsail setup.

RB

And the title is? What is the bottom line conclusion?

That you were wrong.
Do you wish to debate sailing or book titles? Perhaps you'll have a measure of
success with the latter...

RB

What is the title?

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:

And the title is? What is the bottom line conclusion?

That you were wrong.
Do you wish to debate sailing or book titles? Perhaps you'll have a measure of
success with the latter...

RB

Yes, the miz is bigger but the moments look similar -right?

Cheers MC

DSK wrote:

The navigator© wrote:


Why do you say that? I'd say the foretriangle matches the mizzen quite
well.


Lots of forces in play here, Navvie©. The horizontal distance (in two axis
as the boat heels) between the sails CE and the boat's CLR, the torque
developed by the hull & foils, etc etc.

If you're talking about Mari-Cha 4, it looks to me that the mizzen is far
bigger than the foretriangle.


If the C of E of the main matches the CLR (as it should for a
balanced ketch) then she will balance under miz and foresail.


Sure.

"In theory there's no difference between practice & theory. But in
practice, there is."

Not all ketches balance the way they should. Possibly due to different
priorities on the part of the designer, possibly by error, whatever.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

The navigator© wrote:

Why do you say that? I'd say the foretriangle matches the mizzen quite
well.

Lots of forces in play here, Navvie©. The horizontal distance (in two axis
as the boat heels) between the sails CE and the boat's CLR, the torque
developed by the hull & foils, etc etc.

If you're talking about Mari-Cha 4, it looks to me that the mizzen is far
bigger than the foretriangle.

If the C of E of the main matches the CLR (as it should for a
balanced ketch) then she will balance under miz and foresail.

Sure.

"In theory there's no difference between practice & theory. But in
practice, there is."

Not all ketches balance the way they should. Possibly due to different
priorities on the part of the designer, possibly by error, whatever.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King