In a storm would you, if you had a ketch:

1. reef down the main and mizzen, drop the jib.
2. use just a tri sail on the main mast.
3. use a storm jib and a reefed mizzen.
4. just use a storm jib.
5. Use just a reefed main
6. Use a reefed main and a storm jib.

And why is a tri sail track offset on the main mast?

Is it just because you can raise the sail fast without un-bending the
main, or does it have something to do with shape.

How much, if any foil shape should a tri sail have?

And how do you best figure what size tri sail you should use?

And with a quick double reefing system, do you think a tri sail is
needed?

Thanks

Joe
MSV RedCloud

Tri sail all the way, baby! Storm jib and mizzen can work, but only on heavier
crab crushers.

You fail to include the severity of conditions in any case.

RB

Nutsy,

Honestly, have you ever, in your whole life ever sailed with storm sail
in a storm?
If you haven't, please don't offer hearsay advice.

I have. One time. Do you know what my decision was? I decided to get
those damned useless sails off my boat, never to use them again. EVER!!

That was my conclusion. I couldn't make any progress up wind, to get
out of the storm and had to turn down wind and get the **** kicked out
of me sailing in the storm. I finally went bare pole and set a drogue,
Which got tossed into the cockpit when I got pooped

Honestly, have you ever, in your whole life ever sailed with storm sail
in a storm?
If you haven't, please don't offer hearsay advice.

The advice is from the book, Heavy Sailing Tactics.
No, I've not had much experience with a Ketch, but I plan to get some soon!

RB

Read the book again, and try to get the title right at least.

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:

Honestly, have you ever, in your whole life ever sailed with storm sail
in a storm?
If you haven't, please don't offer hearsay advice.

The advice is from the book, Heavy Sailing Tactics.
No, I've not had much experience with a Ketch, but I plan to get some soon!

RB

Read the book again, and try to get the title right at least.

It's right in front of me. There a little pic of a the Jib and stormsail setup.

RB

Sorry I hit the send by mistake and I want to finish this reply.

I finally got everything inboard and squared away and just let the boat
take care of itself. My only help was prayer and fear.

I decided all the damn stories I had heard weren't worth a PINT OF ****.

I don't know how to sail in a storm. The people who built my boat know
better than me

I don't say I'm right because I don't know but if you really have been
in a real storm and sailed successfully you can give advice. If you
haven't SHUT THE HELL UP

AND; "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!!" I now go bare headed in a hove attitude
but pray I'll not get caught again

Ole Thom

Hey Thom, what was the problem? Was she hobby horsing too much to get
way on? Was there a problem with excess weight in the ends?

Cheers MC



Thom Stewart wrote:

Sorry I hit the send by mistake and I want to finish this reply.

I finally got everything inboard and squared away and just let the boat
take care of itself. My only help was prayer and fear.

I decided all the damn stories I had heard weren't worth a PINT OF ****.

I don't know how to sail in a storm. The people who built my boat know
better than me

I don't say I'm right because I don't know but if you really have been
in a real storm and sailed successfully you can give advice. If you
haven't SHUT THE HELL UP

AND; "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!!" I now go bare headed in a hove attitude
but pray I'll not get caught again

Ole Thom

Nav,

She seemed like she was just trying to pound a hole in the water, when
trying make into the wind. The boat I had at the time was OB power and
was cavitating badly

She would gain some headway down the back off the oncoming wave then be
driven back be the next wave, she'd ride up and over, brake thru the
crest and fall back into the down side with a hell of a pounding.. When
I tried falling of a bit I clear the crest with a sickening snap roll
and landed back into the wave at crazy different angles.

When I turned downwind I was surfing to fast and catching the next wave
and damn near stopping and then taking the next wave on the stern. That
was when I rigged the drag with the doubled anchor line with the lunch
hook to keep it in the water. Worked for about 6 wave then the whole
thing came aboard, Luckily I seen it coming and dodged the anchor. I had
the barge boards in place, which kept the anchor out was the cabin. Got
the sails off, lashed the helm down and got in the cabin with the crew.
She had a traditional layout and we wedged ourselves between the cabin
bunks, sitting on the floor.

She didn't stay hove-to but laid ahull, which worried the hell out of me
because of all the tales of horror about 360 rolls but she took care of
herself and us for close to 18 hrs. I even think the motion improved but
that could have been because I was inside and not watching the waves

When we got in I took those storm sails off the boat, which was a
improvement right there. They were a PITA to store,

If it gets worst than a double reef I go bare head now. I've come home
under bare pole several times. I don't missed those stiff, hard to
manage heavy pieces of **** one single bit; AND. "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"

Ole Thom

P/S That's the first time I've told that story in 16 years and I'm not
telling it again!

Thanks for that Thom

If you are helming you can luff as you reach the crest. That slows the
leap off and also softens the crash .. You then bear away again to gain
speed.

Cheers MC

Thom Stewart wrote:

Nav,

She seemed like she was just trying to pound a hole in the water, when
trying make into the wind. The boat I had at the time was OB power and
was cavitating badly

She would gain some headway down the back off the oncoming wave then be
driven back be the next wave, she'd ride up and over, brake thru the
crest and fall back into the down side with a hell of a pounding.. When
I tried falling of a bit I clear the crest with a sickening snap roll
and landed back into the wave at crazy different angles.

When I turned downwind I was surfing to fast and catching the next wave
and damn near stopping and then taking the next wave on the stern. That
was when I rigged the drag with the doubled anchor line with the lunch
hook to keep it in the water. Worked for about 6 wave then the whole
thing came aboard, Luckily I seen it coming and dodged the anchor. I had
the barge boards in place, which kept the anchor out was the cabin. Got
the sails off, lashed the helm down and got in the cabin with the crew.
She had a traditional layout and we wedged ourselves between the cabin
bunks, sitting on the floor.

She didn't stay hove-to but laid ahull, which worried the hell out of me
because of all the tales of horror about 360 rolls but she took care of
herself and us for close to 18 hrs. I even think the motion improved but
that could have been because I was inside and not watching the waves

When we got in I took those storm sails off the boat, which was a
improvement right there. They were a PITA to store,

If it gets worst than a double reef I go bare head now. I've come home
under bare pole several times. I don't missed those stiff, hard to
manage heavy pieces of **** one single bit; AND. "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"

Ole Thom

P/S That's the first time I've told that story in 16 years and I'm not
telling it again!