Given that, I think you should stay well away from your
wife's boat.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
At 77 yrs I don't venture on open water anymore. (Chicken) but even
inshore I keep my foul weather sailing as simple as possible.

Remember, if you died out there (and a good T-storm could kill you even in
protected waters) you'd die well and on your own terms.
A fine thing at any age.

RB

As Bob knows, a journey begins with a single step, and
coincidentally survival does also.

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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#3, but you don't say what you mean by "storm."

By storm I mean, you switch from your journey to surviving.

#3 with the sails I have is my choice as well. I have a 20% storm jib
and a deep second reef in the mizzen. Perhaps Id leave the main up
and double reefed if running down wind to keep up with the waves.

However I do not have a tri sail. Number 4 might be just as good
holding her steady into the seas.


"Joe" wrote in message
om...
In a storm would you, if you had a ketch:

1. reef down the main and mizzen, drop the jib.
2. use just a tri sail on the main mast.
3. use a storm jib and a reefed mizzen.
4. just use a storm jib.
5. Use just a reefed main
6. Use a reefed main and a storm jib.

And why is a tri sail track offset on the main mast?

Is it just because you can raise the sail fast without un-bending the
main, or does it have something to do with shape.

How much, if any foil shape should a tri sail have?

And how do you best figure what size tri sail you should use?

And with a quick double reefing system, do you think a tri sail is
needed?

Thanks

Joe
MSV RedCloud

At 77, he's already dead.

S.Simon


"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
At 77 yrs I don't venture on open water anymore. (Chicken) but even
inshore I keep my foul weather sailing as simple as possible.

Remember, if you died out there (and a good T-storm could kill you even in
protected waters) you'd die well and on your own terms.
A fine thing at any age.

RB

Thanks for that Thom

If you are helming you can luff as you reach the crest. That slows the
leap off and also softens the crash .. You then bear away again to gain
speed.

Cheers MC

Thom Stewart wrote:

Nav,

She seemed like she was just trying to pound a hole in the water, when
trying make into the wind. The boat I had at the time was OB power and
was cavitating badly

She would gain some headway down the back off the oncoming wave then be
driven back be the next wave, she'd ride up and over, brake thru the
crest and fall back into the down side with a hell of a pounding.. When
I tried falling of a bit I clear the crest with a sickening snap roll
and landed back into the wave at crazy different angles.

When I turned downwind I was surfing to fast and catching the next wave
and damn near stopping and then taking the next wave on the stern. That
was when I rigged the drag with the doubled anchor line with the lunch
hook to keep it in the water. Worked for about 6 wave then the whole
thing came aboard, Luckily I seen it coming and dodged the anchor. I had
the barge boards in place, which kept the anchor out was the cabin. Got
the sails off, lashed the helm down and got in the cabin with the crew.
She had a traditional layout and we wedged ourselves between the cabin
bunks, sitting on the floor.

She didn't stay hove-to but laid ahull, which worried the hell out of me
because of all the tales of horror about 360 rolls but she took care of
herself and us for close to 18 hrs. I even think the motion improved but
that could have been because I was inside and not watching the waves

When we got in I took those storm sails off the boat, which was a
improvement right there. They were a PITA to store,

If it gets worst than a double reef I go bare head now. I've come home
under bare pole several times. I don't missed those stiff, hard to
manage heavy pieces of **** one single bit; AND. "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"

Ole Thom

P/S That's the first time I've told that story in 16 years and I'm not
telling it again!

At 77, he's already dead.


He sails more than you and has a better boat.

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
At 77, he's already dead.

He sails more than you and has a better boat.

Coming from somebody who doesn't even own a boat
and which boat is in storage, this is rather humorous.

S.Simon

(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...
At 77 yrs I don't venture on open water anymore. (Chicken) but even
inshore I keep my foul weather sailing as simple as possible.

Remember, if you died out there (and a good T-storm could kill you even in
protected waters) you'd die well and on your own terms.
A fine thing at any age.

RB


You think so huh?

Please tell me about this Bobspirt.

Ive been washed overboard in big seas before and nothing was on my
terms.
]
Granted drowning might be the most peaceful way to go, but having your
head explode when hit by lighting might smart a bit.

Joe

Joe

Lightning is only a hazard on those crummy,
rust bucket, steel boats. They draw it like
a lightning rod. Lightning doesn't even see
a GRP boat.

S.Simon


"Joe" wrote in message om...
Granted drowning might be the most peaceful way to go, but having your
head explode when hit by lighting might smart a bit.

Joe

wrote in message ...
Thom gets laid more, too.

BB

I won't argue that one. I can't figure it out but most
women don't seem to be sexually attracted to me.

I guess that's why God made prostitutes.

S.Simon

You're wrong on both counts. (maybe - depends
on how picky you're being.)

I happen to live in the lightning capital of the world.
I've seen more lightning strikes already than you
will see in your entire life.

I've weathered probably a dozen storms (gales, to be
technically correct - not tropical cyclone - I'm not playing
Beaufort here in case that's your angle.) at sea. I've
weathered two tropical storms and six hurricane aboard
but moored or anchored. Only an idiot gets caught at
sea in a tropical cyclone and I'm anything but an
idiot.

S.Simon




Donals Dilema wrote in message ...
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:10:36 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

Lightning is only a hazard on those crummy,
rust bucket, steel boats. They draw it like
a lightning rod. Lightning doesn't even see
a GRP boat.

S.Simon

Bwaaahahahahahahahahahhaa!
You've never been in a storm at sea and have no clue about lightning
either!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.