The_navigator© wrote in message ...
Some have very clear goals.


Yeah, To pick up a six pack of virgins just for being vaporized. What
a goal, what rational thinking, pure genious huh?


It is usually their means of achieving it
that they cannot agree on.


TNT or C4 or Deisel & fertilizer decisions, decisions.


While many would like to kill all Americans
as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open negotiation table.

We dont scare easy, We leave that to you and yours. No one is going to
sucker punch the USA and get away with it.


That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic smarts. The
US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their eyes as
you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support terrorist
countries/regimes -when it suits you.

We do not support terriorist, we support freedom fighters that helped
take the evil commies and the likes. People change. Priorties change,
if your such a smart diplomat perhaps you can understand that concept.

Joe
MSV RedCloud



Cheers MC

DSK wrote:


"Thom Stewart" wrote...

Thanks Joe,

Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your share of real
credit,

In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It was the
Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard, costly war
but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!

That, I believe was the last war fought that way.


I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a political solution for an economic problem. It's a loose
term for any large group of people attempting to impose their collective will on another group by force. An old fashioned
word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has tried it's hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.

The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies of the Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over
ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the only way they have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate
that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big, obvious, economically valuable targets for our military to go
after.

We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any industrialized country has AFAIK addressed either.

1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own goals, so there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on
any terms

2- the terrorists make very handy agents for behind-the-scenes economic groups who profit by the destruction of
competitors assets

I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole situation makes me very sad.



I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we did.


In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it easy for today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with
their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable. Living conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to
me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the US always chooses to fight in most horrible climates &
terrains we can find.



Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR VETS----

GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"


I'll drink to that, too, Thom!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Oh dear do you really believe you just support freedom fighters? Let me
ask you a simple question. Which regimes currently supported by the US
believe in execution without trial, torture, rape, separation of
families, midnight 'knocks'. And yet you call the commies "evil"? Take
off your blinkers man.

Cheers MC

Joe wrote:



We do not support terriorist, we support freedom fighters that helped
take the evil commies and the likes. People change. Priorties change,
if your such a smart diplomat perhaps you can understand that concept.

Which regimes---------?

Do you mean the UK and their treatment of the Irish??

OT