No, he got that skill when he was 20. It's the comprehension that's lacking.

Cheers MC

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

I'm amazed you can read at all.

"Horvath" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:31:45 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote this crap:


Synapses a bit slow Holly? I said that 2 hours ago.

Well I wasn't reading it two hours ago.



Hero@Horvath

I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.

I assume you were referring to my Morgan. Quality? As far as the other
stuff goes its a coastal cruiser, and she does what she was designed to do.
I guess if you want to use the term grossly that's ok too, no big deal. I
have however read one scathing review of the OI series. This one in
particular was on the 41 and discussed on the Morganlist at Sailnet at
length. None of the Morgan owners have experienced any of the problems to
the degree the reviewer stated as common on all OI's. The reviewer mentioned
spongy decks, badly blistered hulls and failing hull/deck joints as very
common on the 41 Morgan OI series and OI series in general. I however have
experienced none of the problems the reviewer referred to as quality issues
with the OI line. When I first hauled her right after purchase there were a
few minor blisters which I had fixed in a few days. Two years later I have
not seen any blisters coming back in the monthly bottom cleanings I do. Did
a moisture test after grinding out the few small blisters and found the hull
to be high and dry contrary to the reviewers steadfast opinion of "those
horribly built Morgan's and their wet hulls". Judging by the growth on the
hull the boat had not been hauled for 6 years plus, a conservative estimate
considering the growth was about one solid inch thick with other various
growth reaching much further out. My decks are not spongy. I do have two
hull/deck joint leaks which I don't think is excessive considering the boat
is going to be 30 years old next year. All in all I find the construction on
my OI to be sound. I did replace the countertop at the galley sink which was
rotted due to a leaky faucet over what must have been years. The owner I
purchased from had only owned the boat for a few months and then sold to me
due to a change in plans. The previous owner had never done any maintenance
whatsoever to this boat in years. the only things that I have to fix at
haulout in late 2003 are things that would wear out on any 30 year old boat.
So the only thing that confuses me about your statement is the quality
issue. Please clarify your point and also what you base your knowledge of
Morgan quality on. Maybe you know something I should check for at haulout.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Aye Laddie... never a more frugal vessel was to be found. What it lacks
grossly in seaworthiness, sailing ability, kindly lines and quality ....
it
makes up for in squeezin' your hard earned cash as thin as paper when it
comes to gettin a Scotsman onto the water.

CM

"Brian McAloon" wrote in message
. ..
| Macgregor? Okaaay.
|
| "Horvath" wrote in message
| ...
|
| Ha! another MacGregor sailor.
|
|
|

No you thin skinned over sensitive, defensive scupper slime... I was
referring to the MacGregor 26XL.
Cripes you just wasted 1000 words in a feeble defense while laying bare all
the particulars of your vessel like a swollen ulcer.

Try reading for comprehension instead of confrontation..... thank the gods
you didn't think I was referring to your wife!

CM

"Brian McAloon" wrote in message
. ..
| I assume you were referring to my Morgan. Quality? As far as the other
| stuff goes its a coastal cruiser, and she does what she was designed to
do.
| I guess if you want to use the term grossly that's ok too, no big deal. I
| have however read one scathing review of the OI series. This one in
| particular was on the 41 and discussed on the Morganlist at Sailnet at
| length. None of the Morgan owners have experienced any of the problems to
| the degree the reviewer stated as common on all OI's. The reviewer
mentioned
| spongy decks, badly blistered hulls and failing hull/deck joints as very
| common on the 41 Morgan OI series and OI series in general. I however have
| experienced none of the problems the reviewer referred to as quality
issues
| with the OI line. When I first hauled her right after purchase there were
a
| few minor blisters which I had fixed in a few days. Two years later I have
| not seen any blisters coming back in the monthly bottom cleanings I do.
Did
| a moisture test after grinding out the few small blisters and found the
hull
| to be high and dry contrary to the reviewers steadfast opinion of "those
| horribly built Morgan's and their wet hulls". Judging by the growth on the
| hull the boat had not been hauled for 6 years plus, a conservative
estimate
| considering the growth was about one solid inch thick with other various
| growth reaching much further out. My decks are not spongy. I do have two
| hull/deck joint leaks which I don't think is excessive considering the
boat
| is going to be 30 years old next year. All in all I find the construction
on
| my OI to be sound. I did replace the countertop at the galley sink which
was
| rotted due to a leaky faucet over what must have been years. The owner I
| purchased from had only owned the boat for a few months and then sold to
me
| due to a change in plans. The previous owner had never done any
maintenance
| whatsoever to this boat in years. the only things that I have to fix at
| haulout in late 2003 are things that would wear out on any 30 year old
boat.
| So the only thing that confuses me about your statement is the quality
| issue. Please clarify your point and also what you base your knowledge of
| Morgan quality on. Maybe you know something I should check for at haulout.
|
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| Aye Laddie... never a more frugal vessel was to be found. What it lacks
| grossly in seaworthiness, sailing ability, kindly lines and quality ....
| it
| makes up for in squeezin' your hard earned cash as thin as paper when it
| comes to gettin a Scotsman onto the water.
|
| CM
|
| "Brian McAloon" wrote in message
| . ..
| | Macgregor? Okaaay.
| |
| | "Horvath" wrote in message
| | ...
| |
| | Ha! another MacGregor sailor.
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|

You can say anything you want about her.
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

thank the gods
you didn't think I was referring to your wife!

The reviewer mentioned
spongy decks, badly blistered hulls and failing hull/deck joints as very
common on the 41 Morgan OI series and OI series in general.

Don't worry, newer Beneteau's have the same problems and some people like to
think that they're fine boats anyway.

RB

Ah the flames are still strong then.

Cheers MC


Brian McAloon wrote:

You can say anything you want about her.
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

thank the gods

you didn't think I was referring to your wife!

No, just not married.
"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
Ah the flames are still strong then.

Cheers MC


Brian McAloon wrote:

You can say anything you want about her.
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

thank the gods

you didn't think I was referring to your wife!

Its odd that none of the Morgan owners that I know have experienced those
problems though. We were all kinda' scratching our heads after reading the
review. I did look at the add for the boatyard with the note about Benetau's
warranty work. Is blistering that common on Benetau's that a yard would use
up precious advertising space to specifically advertise this service. Why
would someone build a boat these days that would blister so badly that
marinas would advertise for this when its known what causes blisters and how
to avoid certain techniques and materials when building a boat so as not to
get blisters. I saw a few Benetaus at the Columbus Day Regatta in Miami a
few weeks ago. Sharp lookin' boats, but that would scare me if I saw that as
a prospective buyer. Is it Donal that owns a Benetau? If so how many years
and is he having any problems? Why wouldn't Benetau recall these boats and
try to prevent the blistering with a barrier coat?

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
The reviewer mentioned
spongy decks, badly blistered hulls and failing hull/deck joints as very
common on the 41 Morgan OI series and OI series in general.

Don't worry, newer Beneteau's have the same problems and some people like
to
think that they're fine boats anyway.

RB

Is it Donal that owns a Benetau? If so how many years
and is he having any problems? Why wouldn't Benetau recall these boats and
try to prevent the blistering with a barrier coat?

As I posted earlier, Beneteau's suffer from a variety of quailty issues. Donal
had admitted to them, but in the interest of trolling retracted his statements.
As I see it this does not serve Beneteau or the buying public.
Blisters are a Beneteau staple, but other builders have also endured "blister
eras" including Valiant, Catalina and jeanaeu (pre Beneteau).
Other items...ill fitting floor boards, wood dust spotted beneath furiniture
after daysails indicating flex, poorly finished interior work, bad cracking gel
coat.
All trolls aside, these are real problems with Beneteau regardless of Donal's
defense. You only need to speak to surveyors to gather an honest sounding on
Beneteai quality. They are almost at the bottom these days. Hunter makes ugly
boats, but they've improved quality as has Catalina.
Of course when you build as many cookie cutter boats as Beneteau, you'll have a
percentage of happy owners to "claim good quality." It's possible to have
speed, comfort and quality. The C&C 34XL and 37XL built in the 90's does it all
better and you can sell them for more when you move up.

RB

When old friends of mine wanted to upgrade their liveaboard home they consulted their old
friend Giffy Full - a very well respected, retired surveyor, often referred to as a
"legend" among wooden boat surveyors.

Giffy's advice was to seek out a Morgan 41. As it turned out, they were unable to find
one to fit their budget, and ended up with a Gulfstar 41, with price reduced because of a
"spongy" deck.



"Brian McAloon" wrote in message
. ..
Its odd that none of the Morgan owners that I know have experienced those
problems though. We were all kinda' scratching our heads after reading the
review. I did look at the add for the boatyard with the note about Benetau's
warranty work. Is blistering that common on Benetau's that a yard would use
up precious advertising space to specifically advertise this service. Why
would someone build a boat these days that would blister so badly that
marinas would advertise for this when its known what causes blisters and how
to avoid certain techniques and materials when building a boat so as not to
get blisters. I saw a few Benetaus at the Columbus Day Regatta in Miami a
few weeks ago. Sharp lookin' boats, but that would scare me if I saw that as
a prospective buyer. Is it Donal that owns a Benetau? If so how many years
and is he having any problems? Why wouldn't Benetau recall these boats and
try to prevent the blistering with a barrier coat?

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
The reviewer mentioned
spongy decks, badly blistered hulls and failing hull/deck joints as very
common on the 41 Morgan OI series and OI series in general.

Don't worry, newer Beneteau's have the same problems and some people like
to
think that they're fine boats anyway.

RB