Schoonertrash wrote:

.... Anyone ever figure out why the US invaded Kosovo?

We never did invade Kosovo.

In any event, if you need a "reason" then it would be the same as invading
Iraq.... only less proiftable...

DSK

True .. . .by the way Doug I have to admit you were right all along. This
union business is definitely the way to go. Once I decided to give up and
join in life got better, dramatically better, immediately. Right now we're
all hanging and waiting for the new budget to get passed. There's lots of
paychecks in that one. I find that most, with few exceptions, don't make
the same mistake as Bobspit. That is trying to apply standards and values
to the situation when you represent a bankrupt and .how shall I say it . .
faintly ridiculous to silly but completely amoral . .yes that's it . .
..viewpoint. It's enough for my membership, the union brothers and sisters,
to take the money and leave the why's to those with lots of time to waste on
such nonsense. Only thing thats important is how much and who's signing the
check. Sorry I missed you on the lower Chesapeake and I'm still reading
your book amongst others. I missed, I'm sure, the threads on how your
summer trip turned out. In any case .. . . I bet the thread had enough hook
in it to get somebody thrashing in the water. Doubtless those who never
understood the "real" .asa.

Cheers and what do you have planned next?

Michael

Schoonertrash wrote:

True .. .

Actually, what I meant to say is "We didn't invade Kosovo, we bombed the heck
out of it and then occupied it, in conjunction with a large number of allies."


.by the way Doug I have to admit you were right all along. This
union business is definitely the way to go. Once I decided to give up and
join in life got better, dramatically better, immediately.

If you can't fight 'em, join 'em. Of course, I myself would no more join a union
that I'd become a opera tenor. But then so far I've had the good luck to do
fairly well on my own.


Right now we're
all hanging and waiting for the new budget to get passed. There's lots of
paychecks in that one. I find that most, with few exceptions, don't make
the same mistake as Bobspit. That is trying to apply standards and values
to the situation when you represent a bankrupt and .how shall I say it . .
faintly ridiculous to silly but completely amoral . .yes that's it . .
.viewpoint. It's enough for my membership, the union brothers and sisters,
to take the money and leave the why's to those with lots of time to waste on
such nonsense.

So does that mean you all don't vote in national elections?


Only thing thats important is how much and who's signing the
check.

heh heh and if it turns out to be the best course of action, after weighing all
options... don't hesitate to bite the hand that feeds you.


Sorry I missed you on the lower Chesapeake and I'm still reading
your book amongst others. I missed, I'm sure, the threads on how your
summer trip turned out.

It was a hoot. You'd have been amused by our night run through Norfolk harbor,
right after the hurricane had put most nav aids out o'biznezz. We were spotting
channel markers by the lights from the Navy choppers and trying plot how far out
of position they were.....


In any case .. . . I bet the thread had enough hook
in it to get somebody thrashing in the water. Doubtless those who never
understood the "real" .asa.

Not sure I understand it myself. Is any of this "real"?



Cheers and what do you have planned next?

Finish installing this heating system in the boat, with a few lesser projects
ongoing simultaneously... weekending... crewing in some local PHRF races for
laughs.

I got a phone call yesterday from a guy who used to crew with me in the
Lightning, he wants to buy it (or a newer one) and hit the district racing
circuit, splitting time with me skippering & crewing. We'll see if anything
comes of that.....

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

One of the big buoy markers was beached right near us. We were by the
coaling piers next to the Merrimac Bridge/Tunnel. We came back the Sunday
after.

As for your other question . .. no you don't bite the hand that feeds you.
If it quits feeding you go to work for someone else. Loyalty lasts as long
as does the paychecks. After that you don't look back.

So did anyone ever figure out why Clinton bombed Kosovo. Wasn't the mass
graves theory since there aren't any. Wasn't oil . ..there isn't any.
Bigger question is why the admirals and generals violated the War Powers Act
and their oaths of office. Think about it and you have your answer. Marks
the first time the military turned their back on nation, constitution and
laws. And you dummies think this latest one is about 'support our troops?'
What it's about is, thanks to Bubba, your opinion doesn't matter and neither
do the laws of the country. Sleep well tonight . . . THEIR troops are on the
alert. Hey! That's me too isn't it?

Smile Big!

MST

Schoonertrash wrote:

One of the big buoy markers was beached right near us. We were by the
coaling piers next to the Merrimac Bridge/Tunnel. We came back the Sunday
after.

One thing that made it interesting is that the placards were blown off many of
the daymarks throughout the lower Bay, bouys dragged out of place, and lights
extinguished. That plus all the debris...



As for your other question . .. no you don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Here's a Mark Twain quote for you: "If you bring home a starving dog, and feed
him, shelter him, and provide a happy & prosperous life for him, he will not
bite you. That is the big difference between humankind and dogs."

I'm not advocating biting the hand that feeds you as a noble practice, I'm just
cynically aware that the hand which feeds you has it's own purposes for doing
so.



So did anyone ever figure out why Clinton bombed Kosovo. Wasn't the mass
graves theory since there aren't any.

Huh? I suppose the numerous reports of mass graves in lots of different press
sources are all just a libby-rull fantasy, eh? Or were you confusing "mass
graves" with "weapons of mass destruction" which have proved so illusive in
Kosovo... no wait I meant Iraq...



Wasn't oil . ..there isn't any.

True of both places at the moment.



Bigger question is why the admirals and generals violated the War Powers Act
and their oaths of office.

They didn't. Clinton was authorized to use military force just as much as Bush
was more recently. I don't expect you to ever absorb and integrate these facts
(at least, facts in terms of what actually happens in the real world, like
gravity & stuff) since you have in the past preferred to deny inconvenient facts
infinitely.

But if you really really wanted, you could look it up.



Think about it and you have your answer. Marks
the first time the military turned their back on nation, constitution and
laws.

No, it isn't the first time by a long shot. Lots of interesting history reading
that will probably come as a shock to you.

BTW did you ever do any reading on the economics of the Great Depression, or do
you still cling to the idea that the New Deal "didn't work"? Nice piece of
neoconservative propaganda, there... did they ever try and tell you that water
runs up hill, too?



And you dummies think this latest one is about 'support our troops?'
What it's about is, thanks to Bubba, your opinion doesn't matter and neither
do the laws of the country. Sleep well tonight . . . THEIR troops are on the
alert. Hey! That's me too isn't it?

C'mon how alert do you have to be to tote beans & bullets across the ocean? Your
odds of getting personally shot at have diminished greatly, hadn't you heard the
Russian Navy is just a hollow shell these days.

Regards
Doug King

Thenice thing about the hurricane is . ..we were 450 nm off shore, Force
two and three, bright blue skies, deck chairs and suntan lotion kinda
cruise. When we got back WHOA! Place looked pretty bad. Luckily my
favorite restaurant (seafood place on Willoughby Spit) was all right. More
imporantly very few boats, especially sailboats, were damaged.

Let's see what first. Water actually does run uphill if you don't bite it?
No, that's not it. What I buy into now is the cynical but true union
approach. Whatever hand feeds you . . .eat. Since there is little
difference in the hands . . . does it matter? Of course not. If it isn't
one thing, it s another and if it isn't another its. . . .

I do find the WMD business amusing though. At best it's a non-starter and
of no importance. Can't imagine why the Chief Shrub even bothered to
dignify it with an answer. That mistake on his part finally convinced me
he's not as smart as he could be . . .. nor is his staff. For the fun of
it I went back and did a google kinda search on the pre-invasion build up.
Counted the number of times finding WMD was listed as being germane.
Answer: Zero. Then counted the number of times Iraq (the Saddam Regime
gov't) was required to demonstrate they didn't have any. Answer: Thousands.
Silly conversation at best. Can't imagine why anyone would waste time on
it.

As to your final sort of question . . . .Two answers. One relating back to
the Iran/Iraq war is called 'mines'. The other is . . .who cares. If you
all are going to pay us danger pay . . .we all are not going to argue.

New Deal . ..etc. The one thing I can't refute, when trying to argue the
success of that program, is how come the unemployment figures kept going up
and went down only when the nation geared up for war. Other than that
little fly in the ointment I'll agree with you. The problem there is the
other factors that I didn't factor in; e.g. monetary policy, banking
regulations, silly fixation on gold standards etc. etc. etc.

Now for those of you who aren't used to this sort of interchange . .. .take
note the requirement is to ALWAYS have something sailing related. For the
rest of it you give everyone something to complaint (strike that) comment
on. It's called stirring the pot by some . . ..trolling by others.

MST Trash-A-Danna

P.S. DSK by the way presents some first class arguments and always gives me
food for thought and research. Sometimes I gotta prod him a little though.
After all . . .he is a former rag-baggerd but a good sort none the less.

Schoonertrash wrote:

Thenice thing about the hurricane is . ..we were 450 nm off shore, Force
two and three, bright blue skies, deck chairs and suntan lotion kinda
cruise.

Yep, we listened to all the Navy ships and MARAD (not sure, what's the acronym
that replaced MSC) ships getting under way before the storm. Interesting
conversations on ch 9 & 13.

In fact one of the cool things about the cruise si that my wife has gotten into
proper radio communication. Part of her motivation is the constant soap opera
going on ch 16, but it's still a good sign (one of many, I'm definitely going to
keep her). We're going to get a SSB/ham set at some point in the future.


When we got back WHOA! Place looked pretty bad. Luckily my
favorite restaurant (seafood place on Willoughby Spit) was all right.

heh heh bet I know the place, right by where Norfolk Rebel docks. They still
weren't open when we left, electricity out for most of tat part of Norfolk. We
met Winchkid there a few times.

More
imporantly very few boats, especially sailboats, were damaged.

Huh? Seemed to me like shredded roller-furl jibs and bashed in topsides were a
very common sight. You must have seen that catamaran tat flipped over onto the
dock, that was right by Willoughby Spit.





Let's see what first. Water actually does run uphill if you don't bite it?
No, that's not it. What I buy into now is the cynical but true union
approach. Whatever hand feeds you . . .eat. Since there is little
difference in the hands . . . does it matter? Of course not. If it isn't
one thing, it s another and if it isn't another its. . . .

Yep... it's like a big circle going round & round.



I do find the WMD business amusing though. At best it's a non-starter and
of no importance. Can't imagine why the Chief Shrub even bothered to
dignify it with an answer. That mistake on his part finally convinced me
he's not as smart as he could be . . .. nor is his staff. For the fun of
it I went back and did a google kinda search on the pre-invasion build up.
Counted the number of times finding WMD was listed as being germane.
Answer: Zero.

Excuse me? Did you not count the State of the Union address, or Colin Powells
"mission" to the UN with photos of trailers etc etc? Methinks you are falling
victim to some sort of wishful thinking.


Then counted the number of times Iraq (the Saddam Regime
gov't) was required to demonstrate they didn't have any. Answer: Thousands.
Silly conversation at best. Can't imagine why anyone would waste time on
it.

As to your final sort of question . . . .Two answers. One relating back to
the Iran/Iraq war is called 'mines'. The other is . . .who cares. If you
all are going to pay us danger pay . . .we all are not going to argue.

New Deal . ..etc. The one thing I can't refute, when trying to argue the
success of that program, is how come the unemployment figures kept going up
and went down only when the nation geared up for war.

Because they didn't. I don't know where you get your figures, but several
sources I can give you show national unemployment definitely cycling down
through the mid 1930s as the New Deal began putting tens of thousands of men on
the gov't payroll.

But I don't expect you to believe *me*.

http://www.korpios.org/resurgent/Timeline.htm
http://www.shambhala.org/business/go...l#Whathappened

There are a couple of great academic articles on monetary contraction, GNP, and
unemployment, thru the Depression, but you'd have to get acces to the university
servers. If you're really interested, email me.


Other than that
little fly in the ointment I'll agree with you. The problem there is the
other factors that I didn't factor in; e.g. monetary policy,

Deficit spending? You bet. That's partly why the neoconservative propaganda is
to say 'the New Deal didn't work' the other reason is that they hate FDR almost
as much as they hate Kennedy, and any lie that discredits them must be good.


banking
regulations, silly fixation on gold standards etc. etc. etc.

That was a bigger problem for England than the US. They clung to the gold
standard when it was clearly a fiscal disaster, in fact tried to go back to it
after WW2.



Now for those of you who aren't used to this sort of interchange . .. .take
note the requirement is to ALWAYS have something sailing related.

No it isn't

Regards
Doug King

I'll bet the owner of this sailboat would argue that point.
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/684980.jpg

SV

"Schoonertrash" wrote in message
...
. More
imporantly very few boats, especially sailboats, were damaged.

like this one? http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/309558.jpg

SV

"Schoonertrash" wrote ...
One of the big buoy markers was beached right near us.

"Schoonertrash" wrote ...
One of the big buoy markers was beached right near us.


Scott Vernon wrote:
like this one? http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/309558.jpg


Now that's a cool pic! Let's see, red right returning.... which side would you
take this marker??

DSK