"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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RB

They are both small boats.

One is much smaller...yours!
One has twice the space and speed...mine!

Are you under the impression that Alien is a fast boat??

What an idiot!



Regards


Donal
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So what? Does that make it a good design for family cruising? I'd hate to think that
some kid is sitting on the leeward side and his fate depends on a small cam cleat
holding.

A center line traveler may be appropriate for a racing boat - and I've raced a number of
boats where its standard - but its a liability on a cruising boat, especially a family
cruiser.



"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Naysayers,

Traverler mounted in the cockpit. Just ONCE consider you are in a race,
you are the main sail trimmer, you are using your weigth on the high
side rail along with the helmsman, headsail trimmer. Where would you
rather have the traveler than between your feet?

There are times, when when racing. that the Jib sheets are crossed so
that the trimmer can use the wench on the high side.

Just think about it! The Helmsman has a tiller extension, the head sail
trimmer is on the rail next to the winch controlling his sail and the
main trimmer with the traveler line between his knees. Can anyone
improve on that placement of equipment for a three man crew racing? I
can't think of a better place than the cockpit for the traveler.

AND; "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"

Ole Thom

I do believe BB has you. Even your dream boat is still considered a
Small Craft.

Has me where? Whatever it's considered, the 27 is tiny, about the same size as
a Catalina 25 below and perhaps less. It's unlivable and a starter boat by any
measure.
The C&C 32 starts to approach living quarters that you can spend some time in.
Everyone who's been aboard has been impressed with the room, the dinette, the
usable nav/station and desk and even the headroom.
The 27 has NONE of this and yet Billy Jane's family invented velcro! You'd
think he could buy better. If he still wanted a "small" boat he could always
buy himself the C&C 99, a boat that we briefly considered...still too small,
especially for the dollar.

RB

So you're defining "100%" as the polar prediction from a VPP program? I doubt there's a
racer out there that would agree with that. In many classes, if you sail to the VPP
you'll only end up in the middle of the fleet.

-jeff, Who hasn't been in a serious race since VPP was invented.



wrote in message
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On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:07:42 -0400, DSK wrote:

wrote:
And contrary to what some of the armchair "experts" here think, you CAN get more
than 100% out of a boat. If you knew anything about sailing, you would know why.


DSK wrote:
Please explain. I (for one) am here to learn.

Also, please tell us which class(es) you have won regional championship(s) in. If
you're more than
an "armchair expert" on getting 100%(or more) performance out of a sailboat, then
you should have
found your level pretty high up the food chain.

wrote:
Are you really this slow, Doug? You seem headed towards Horvathville.

Are you taking lessons in backpeddling from the Crapton and one-line come backs from
Bubbles? It's
pretty simple. If you can sail a boat at 100% of it's speed potential, you should have
won at least
*some* regattas at a higher level than local beer can chases. If you have no such
history of winning,
then you're talking through your hat... and trying to insult others on top of that.


Doug,

I never even implied that I could get more than 100% out of my boat. I
said it was something that could be done. I do practice using my
boat's polars, and I do pretty well most of the time. I certainly do
better now then when I first got the boat. Still, I sure don't claim
that I consistently come close to 100%. My one and only point was that
you possibly CAN get more out of a boat than 100%. Someone had posted
that they thought that was impossible. Do you think it's impossible?

BB

wrote:

I never even implied that I could get more than 100% out of my boat. I
said it was something that could be done.

That rather depends on how you define "100%" doesn't it? Certainly most non-planing boats have fairly well
defined limits to their performance. And planing boats have an upper limit too, but it's harder to define
and tends to be a control and/or structural limit.


I do practice using my
boat's polars, and I do pretty well most of the time. I certainly do
better now then when I first got the boat. Still, I sure don't claim
that I consistently come close to 100%.

100% of your polars? Now, that depends on the source. Are these from the original designer using a
computer? Drawn up from a factory team sailing a prototype? One-design class metrology?

When I was seriously campaigning a keelboat, I drew up my own polars. That is the best way to quantify the
performance of a given boat. I have toyed with doing polars for some of the dinghys I've raced, but
usually it's too time consuming and detracts from the simple fun of sailing like hell.

My one and only point was that
you possibly CAN get more out of a boat than 100%. Someone had posted
that they thought that was impossible. Do you think it's impossible?

Yes, because if you can go faster than 100% of possible speed under given circumstances, then clearly it
wasn't 100% of possible speed ...or you are mistaken about the circumstances, which has happened to me.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

One has twice the space and speed...mine!

Are you under the impression that Alien is a fast boat??

Alien is above average for the boats in this group. My C&C34XL is rated as low
as 83!
Eat my wake, sea-snail!

Bwahahahaha!

RB

I never even implied that I could get more than 100% out of my boat. I
said it was something that could be done.

What a wimpy backpedal.

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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One has twice the space and speed...mine!

Are you under the impression that Alien is a fast boat??

Alien is above average for the boats in this group. My C&C34XL is rated as
low
as 83!

Do you own a C & C 34XL?



Regards

Donal
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Alien is above average for the boats in this group. My C&C34XL is rated as
low
as 83!

Do you own a C & C 34XL?

In two weeks! Stand by for the official announcement!
BTW, I'll also own a CD 25 which I acquired at a yard auction.

RB

The Captains Nemesis wrote in message ...
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:30:43 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote:

So what? Does that make it a good design for family cruising? I'd hate to think that
some kid is sitting on the leeward side and his fate depends on a small cam cleat
holding.
Teach "some small kid" to stay clear and keep an eye open.

Not a very good answer when the hazard is in the middle of the cockpit.

Sailing can be dangerous, keep it safe.

That's my point. Some boats are safer than others. That's why some boats that may be
well suited for racing are not good for family cruising.

Oh and cam cleats rarely let go if loaded properly and replaced when
worn.

Yes, and uncontrolled jibes never happen. And the traveler doesn't move across on every
tack. And any little kid that get his finger caught in it didn't deserve to play the
violin.

-jeff, whose kid has had a safe cockpit to play in since she was a week old.