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Bobsprit October 21st 03 03:30 PM

Serious Sailing Cockpit???
 
The C&C 27 Mk V cockpit is designed for hanging out. No big winches to get in
the way...and only a puny tiller for those who like long sticks!

http://newimages.yachtworld.com/1/0/7/7/4/1077418_6.jpg

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB

SkitchNYC October 22nd 03 03:12 AM

Serious Sailing Cockpit???
 
The C&C 27 Mk V cockpit is designed for hanging out. No big winches to get in
the way...and only a puny tiller for those who like long sticks!


Looks pretty cool to me. I like the tiller extension and the reverse camber
coamings - sail it like a big dinghy.

Jonathan Ganz October 22nd 03 07:01 PM

Serious Sailing Cockpit???
 
I don't much like the traveller in front of the cockpit. It
just creates a hazard.

"SkitchNYC" wrote in message
...
The C&C 27 Mk V cockpit is designed for hanging out. No big winches to

get in
the way...and only a puny tiller for those who like long sticks!


Looks pretty cool to me. I like the tiller extension and the reverse

camber
coamings - sail it like a big dinghy.




Simple Simon October 22nd 03 07:25 PM

Serious Sailing Cockpit???
 
You're right. Rather than have it right there in the
way it would be smart to put a mid-boom sheeting
traveler on the coach. The picture shows an example
of poor design.

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
I don't much like the traveller in front of the cockpit. It
just creates a hazard.

"SkitchNYC" wrote in message
...
The C&C 27 Mk V cockpit is designed for hanging out. No big winches to

get in
the way...and only a puny tiller for those who like long sticks!


Looks pretty cool to me. I like the tiller extension and the reverse

camber
coamings - sail it like a big dinghy.






Jeff Morris October 22nd 03 08:49 PM

Serious Sailing Cockpit???
 
The Irwin 30 we borrowed for a season had that, and I thought it was a horrible design. A
few years later a friend had to be taken to the emergency room for a Cat Scan after being
whacked by the mainsheet in a jibe. The skipper said "yea, someone gets hit by that every
year!" Following that he relocated the traveler to the coachroof.

One reason why we went for the new PDQ, rather than slightly used, is that they relocated
the traveler to the hardtop, so there are no dangerous lines in the cockpit.



"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
I don't much like the traveller in front of the cockpit. It
just creates a hazard.

"SkitchNYC" wrote in message
...
The C&C 27 Mk V cockpit is designed for hanging out. No big winches to

get in
the way...and only a puny tiller for those who like long sticks!


Looks pretty cool to me. I like the tiller extension and the reverse

camber
coamings - sail it like a big dinghy.






DSK October 22nd 03 08:53 PM

Serious Sailing Cockpit???
 
Jonathan Ganz wrote:

I don't much like the traveller in front of the cockpit. It
just creates a hazard.


Depends on the boat, depends on the cockpit design. Unless you're talking a
40 footer, aracer/cruiser is not going to have a big enough cockpit to split
and run the traveler across the middle. A bridge deck traveller is the only
sensible choice. Of course, some are poorly designed and/or afterthoughts.

Some boats have short booms and don't have much sail area, so the leverage
given up by putting the traveller further forward, above the companionway, is
not too bad. But on a boat with a decent amount of horsepower in the rig,
this is just going to make the main harder to trim. Might as well not have a
traveller. Also, it's in the way of control lines.

Another option is to put the traveller across the back of the cockpit. This
is a good idea in boats with really long booms and wide aft sections;
otherwise the traveller is too far back & too short to add much control over
a simple centerline sheet block.

It's noteworthy that all the hot rod racing dinghies don't even fool with
travellers any more. They all have bridles and strong boom vangs.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Bobsprit October 22nd 03 10:49 PM

Serious Sailing Cockpit???
 
And contrary to what some of the armchair "experts" here think, you CAN get
more
than 100% out of a boat. If you knew anything about sailing, you would know
why.

Such a subjective concept, I amazed that anyone would debate it as point of
fact.
Oh, wait...it's Binary Jane and his baby C&C 27 that costs less than my station
wagon!
Maybe he could get 40% out of it!
34XL, baby!

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB

Bobsprit October 22nd 03 10:53 PM

Serious Sailing Cockpit???
 
The boat carries a relatively
tall rig, and my Mylar main is HUGE.

There's a secure fella! We're all happy about your HUGE sail. There, there.


RB

Bobsprit October 22nd 03 10:53 PM

Serious Sailing Cockpit???
 
It's placed where it logically
belongs for this boat.

In the way?


RB

Jeff Morris October 22nd 03 11:16 PM

Serious Sailing Cockpit???
 
As the Chicago Ward Boss said, "We're behind you 110%!"

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:25:52 -0400, "Simple Simon" wrote:

You're right. Rather than have it right there in the
way it would be smart to put a mid-boom sheeting
traveler on the coach. The picture shows an example
of poor design.

S.Simon


Yeah, do what the Crapton did and then you can have a banana boom just like he
does, with a smile bigger than any ever found on a C&C keel.

There is no problem with the traveler right where it is on the C&C 27-5. It has
never seemed at all like a hazard, or in the way. The boat carries a relatively
tall rig, and my Mylar main is HUGE. No way the traveler could work on the coach
roof. THAT would be the bad design in this case. Meanwhile, the boom is too
short to consider a traveler at the stern. It's placed where it logically
belongs for this boat.

And contrary to what some of the armchair "experts" here think, you CAN get more
than 100% out of a boat. If you knew anything about sailing, you would know why.

BB


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

...
I don't much like the traveller in front of the cockpit. It
just creates a hazard.

"SkitchNYC" wrote in message
...
The C&C 27 Mk V cockpit is designed for hanging out. No big winches to
get in
the way...and only a puny tiller for those who like long sticks!

Looks pretty cool to me. I like the tiller extension and the reverse
camber
coamings - sail it like a big dinghy.








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