Do you think you could maneuver as handily in a full keeled sailboat with no
engine in an area like that or are you addressing this to dual screws and
bow thrusters??

Until you can competently maneuver a boat under sail in tight areas....
making a claim of ability based on power driven propulsion falls short of
having any bearing on the subject at hand. I've had the helm on some fairly
large motor boats in my life and none proved to be very difficult to
maneuver or place to a dock in any conditions. [ Okay so maybe 90 ft boats
and ferries with a barge attached aren't that big to you.... they're big to
me! ;-)...]

CM




"otnmbrd" wrote in message
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| LOL If you guys are worried about 40'-50' clearances, I'd hate to see
| what you'll be like when things get close. ...... course, in Neal's
| case, doubt he could work around any docks .... probably why he's at a
| mooring (anchors as close as he can, then hops into his dingy and runs a
| line to his mooring)
|
| otn
|
|
|
| Donal wrote:
| "JN" wrote in message
| .. .
|
| After BACKING out of the slip, I have about 50 feet of water between me
|
| and
|
| the boats docked on the other side of the channel.
|
|
| That is pure luxury!
|
| I've got less than 40 feet *before* I back out!
|
| Regards
|
|
| Donal
| --
|
|
|
|

Capt. Mooron wrote:

Do you think you could maneuver as handily in a full keeled sailboat with no
engine in an area like that or are you addressing this to dual screws and
bow thrusters??

Yup, used to do it all the time, back when I owned a sailboat ....
always got a kick out of it, when all went well.


Until you can competently maneuver a boat under sail in tight areas....
making a claim of ability based on power driven propulsion falls short of
having any bearing on the subject at hand. I've had the helm on some fairly
large motor boats in my life and none proved to be very difficult to
maneuver or place to a dock in any conditions. [ Okay so maybe 90 ft boats
and ferries with a barge attached aren't that big to you.... they're big to
me! ;-)...]

CM

I was sticking to the subject at hand. My 26' Contessa, sailed and
maneuvered very nicely, under working jib, in close quarters.

As for large ships (500'-800') 50 foot is the minimum clearance I try
for, but frequently I have to watch the tug clearance, since I may have
to "fold" them alongside at times, until they have room to work.

otn




"otnmbrd" wrote in message
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| LOL If you guys are worried about 40'-50' clearances, I'd hate to see
| what you'll be like when things get close. ...... course, in Neal's
| case, doubt he could work around any docks .... probably why he's at a
| mooring (anchors as close as he can, then hops into his dingy and runs a
| line to his mooring)
|
| otn
|
|
|
| Donal wrote:
| "JN" wrote in message
| .. .
|
| After BACKING out of the slip, I have about 50 feet of water between me
|
| and
|
| the boats docked on the other side of the channel.
|
|
| That is pure luxury!
|
| I've got less than 40 feet *before* I back out!
|
| Regards
|
|
| Donal
| --
|
|
|
|

"Capt. Mooron" wrote:

Do you think you could maneuver as handily in a full keeled sailboat with no
engine in an area like that or are you addressing this to dual screws and
bow thrusters??

A boat with twin screws doesn't need bow thrusters, unless it's bigger than 60
or 70 feet, or has too much windage.



Until you can competently maneuver a boat under sail in tight areas....
making a claim of ability based on power driven propulsion falls short of
having any bearing on the subject at hand.

Agreed.

I've had the helm on some fairly
large motor boats in my life and none proved to be very difficult to
maneuver or place to a dock in any conditions.

Depends on what you mean by "any conditions." With a cross wind or current, a
single screw boat can be a handful. There are times when we put our tugboat at
the T head rather than attempt the slip. Other times we have warped the boat
around the corner and so on. Of course, at some point in the hopefully
not-too-distant future, we'll have a bow thurster and that will expand the
envelope.


[ Okay so maybe 90 ft boats
and ferries with a barge attached aren't that big to you.... they're big to
me! ;-)...]

They can also count on other boats keeping well clear, which is not true of
smaller fry.

BTW when discussing maneuvering full-keel boats, bear in mind that some are more
maneuverable than others. Yours has a cutaway forefoot and should be pretty
handy. Some full keelers are almost as maneuverable as a brick barn.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"DSK" wrote in message

| BTW when discussing maneuvering full-keel boats, bear in mind that some
are more
| maneuverable than others. Yours has a cutaway forefoot and should be
pretty
| handy. Some full keelers are almost as maneuverable as a brick barn.

Naw Doug... under power Overproof sucks. Plain and simple. It walks to
starboard with a vengeance and turns ever so slowly it's impossible to
maneuver tightly in a breeze under power without quick powerful thrusts of
the prop fore & aft. I always use some sail to maneuver her. The boat just
responds better to competent gentle guidance under sail than with an engine.
Cutaway forefoot or not..... it responds like a much larger vessel both
under canvas and power.

I've learned to raise a portion of the jib or main to effect the tight
maneuvers when required. I remember running out of wind when halfway in to a
set of slips.... I just stepped into the rowboat and grabbed the bowline in
my teeth to tow her right into the slip under oars... no muss no fuss. I had
a C note riding on the fact I could place her to the slip without using the
engine.

The auxiliary is fine for easy travel on windless days when I have to
absolutely be somewhere. I try to avoid those occasions.

CM