otnmbrd wrote:

If BOTH vessels are in sight of each other then visual rules apply. If
only one or neither vessel is in sight of the other, then the rules
for restricted visibility apply and BOTH vessels must navigate with
extreme caution until they are clear of each other.

How does the vessel that can see the other know that the other can see it?


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

It is the responsibility of BOTH vessels to keep a lookout
by eyes and ears at all times. If in doubt blow the danger/
doubt signal to get their attention or contact them on the VHF
and request they get their heads out of their asses. Big ships
are notorious for the helmspeople sleeping on the job or with
with their faces stuck into girlie magazines.

S.Simon


"Wally" wrote in message ...
otnmbrd wrote:

If BOTH vessels are in sight of each other then visual rules apply. If
only one or neither vessel is in sight of the other, then the rules
for restricted visibility apply and BOTH vessels must navigate with
extreme caution until they are clear of each other.

How does the vessel that can see the other know that the other can see it?


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

Blowing the danger signal could be illegal and of no value if the other
guy can't see you ( and could interfere with normal fog signals)
If possible, you should all ready have tried communicating by radio.
Paragraphs like this, highlight Neals amateur status.

BTW, this issue of one vessel or the other not being able to see, while
the other can, is quite often the case, especially when dealing with
larger and smaller vessels at the same time.

Simple Simon wrote:

It is the responsibility of BOTH vessels to keep a lookout
by eyes and ears at all times. If in doubt blow the danger/
doubt signal to get their attention or contact them on the VHF
and request they get their heads out of their asses. Big ships
are notorious for the helmspeople sleeping on the job or with
with their faces stuck into girlie magazines.

S.Simon


"Wally" wrote in message ...

otnmbrd wrote:


If BOTH vessels are in sight of each other then visual rules apply. If
only one or neither vessel is in sight of the other, then the rules
for restricted visibility apply and BOTH vessels must navigate with
extreme caution until they are clear of each other.

How does the vessel that can see the other know that the other can see it?


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

It doesn't. Assume that they can't until it would be obvious to even a
"Simple Simon" that they couldn't use "restricted visibility" as an
excuse for not obeying the rules.

If you can't see the bridge, the bridge cannot see you.

otn

Wally wrote:

otnmbrd wrote:


If BOTH vessels are in sight of each other then visual rules apply. If
only one or neither vessel is in sight of the other, then the rules
for restricted visibility apply and BOTH vessels must navigate with
extreme caution until they are clear of each other.


How does the vessel that can see the other know that the other can see it?


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

Hey stupid. The 'bridge' does not exist in the Rules with
respect to keeping a lookout at all times. Lamers using
dangerous excuses and practices like maintaining that
you can't see a vessel if the vessel can't see the bridge
shows you are unqualified to be a captain.

Read the Rules pertaining to keeping a lookout.
It says nothing about keeping a lookout on the
bridge only. You are required to be aware of
other vessels around you even if it requires posting
a man or men at the bow, at the stern and any place
else not visible from the bridge.

You really embarrassed yourself this time. What an
ignoramous!

S.Simon


"otnmbrd" wrote in message t...
It doesn't. Assume that they can't until it would be obvious to even a
"Simple Simon" that they couldn't use "restricted visibility" as an
excuse for not obeying the rules.

If you can't see the bridge, the bridge cannot see you.

otn

Wally wrote:

otnmbrd wrote:


If BOTH vessels are in sight of each other then visual rules apply. If
only one or neither vessel is in sight of the other, then the rules
for restricted visibility apply and BOTH vessels must navigate with
extreme caution until they are clear of each other.


How does the vessel that can see the other know that the other can see it?


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Hey stupid. The 'bridge' does not exist in the Rules with
respect to keeping a lookout at all times. Lamers using
dangerous excuses and practices like maintaining that
you can't see a vessel if the vessel can't see the bridge
shows you are unqualified to be a captain.

Absolutely correct. A friend, who is in the merchant marine has told me
that someone is always sent to the bow in thick fog.

I'm surprised that otn is unaware of good practise!


Regards


Donal
--

Very much aware, but also aware that the information supplied, is only
the beginning of the process to react.

otn

Donal wrote:

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

Hey stupid. The 'bridge' does not exist in the Rules with
respect to keeping a lookout at all times. Lamers using
dangerous excuses and practices like maintaining that
you can't see a vessel if the vessel can't see the bridge
shows you are unqualified to be a captain.


Absolutely correct. A friend, who is in the merchant marine has told me
that someone is always sent to the bow in thick fog.

I'm surprised that otn is unaware of good practise!


Regards


Donal
--

Hey stupid. The bridge is where the ship is maneuvered from. One does
not make maneuvers based on scanty information. One make maneuvers,
after the lookout reports the sighting, and some idea as to the movement
of the other vessel can be determined.
Sheesh, you are such an inexperienced piece of junk......knowing you are
there, and knowing what you are doing and how to react to it, are two
different things.
You haven't got the common sense or intelligence of one of my Mastiff's,
and they are well known for a low brain cell count.

otn

Simple Simon wrote:

Hey stupid. The 'bridge' does not exist in the Rules with
respect to keeping a lookout at all times. Lamers using
dangerous excuses and practices like maintaining that
you can't see a vessel if the vessel can't see the bridge
shows you are unqualified to be a captain.

Read the Rules pertaining to keeping a lookout.
It says nothing about keeping a lookout on the
bridge only. You are required to be aware of
other vessels around you even if it requires posting
a man or men at the bow, at the stern and any place
else not visible from the bridge.

You really embarrassed yourself this time. What an
ignoramous!

S.Simon


"otnmbrd" wrote in message t...

It doesn't. Assume that they can't until it would be obvious to even a
"Simple Simon" that they couldn't use "restricted visibility" as an
excuse for not obeying the rules.

If you can't see the bridge, the bridge cannot see you.

otn

Wally wrote:


otnmbrd wrote:



If BOTH vessels are in sight of each other then visual rules apply. If
only one or neither vessel is in sight of the other, then the rules
for restricted visibility apply and BOTH vessels must navigate with
extreme caution until they are clear of each other.


How does the vessel that can see the other know that the other can see it?


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

Slipperier than an eel you are. Slippery but not much
smarter than one, unfortunately. Your statement about
if a vessel can't see the bridge of a ship then the ship
cannot see the vessel was stupid, myopic, arrogant,
ignorant, dangerous and unfortunate for you.

It was a disgraceful thing for a licensed Master who claims
to be in charge of large ships to maintain. It shows the
arrogant attitude big ships have towards smaller vessels.
It is the attitude that results in collisions and loss of life.
It is the attitude the COLREGS were written to squash.

Shame on you for requiring a mere 25GT Near Coastal
Master to point out how much of an inept captain you really
are.

S.Simon - keeps a proper watch in all directions


"otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net...
Hey stupid. The bridge is where the ship is maneuvered from. One does
not make maneuvers based on scanty information. One make maneuvers,
after the lookout reports the sighting, and some idea as to the movement
of the other vessel can be determined.
Sheesh, you are such an inexperienced piece of junk......knowing you are
there, and knowing what you are doing and how to react to it, are two
different things.
You haven't got the common sense or intelligence of one of my Mastiff's,
and they are well known for a low brain cell count.

otn

Simple Simon wrote:

Hey stupid. The 'bridge' does not exist in the Rules with
respect to keeping a lookout at all times. Lamers using
dangerous excuses and practices like maintaining that
you can't see a vessel if the vessel can't see the bridge
shows you are unqualified to be a captain.

Read the Rules pertaining to keeping a lookout.
It says nothing about keeping a lookout on the
bridge only. You are required to be aware of
other vessels around you even if it requires posting
a man or men at the bow, at the stern and any place
else not visible from the bridge.

You really embarrassed yourself this time. What an
ignoramous!

S.Simon


"otnmbrd" wrote in message t...

It doesn't. Assume that they can't until it would be obvious to even a
"Simple Simon" that they couldn't use "restricted visibility" as an
excuse for not obeying the rules.

If you can't see the bridge, the bridge cannot see you.

otn

Wally wrote:


otnmbrd wrote:



If BOTH vessels are in sight of each other then visual rules apply. If
only one or neither vessel is in sight of the other, then the rules
for restricted visibility apply and BOTH vessels must navigate with
extreme caution until they are clear of each other.


How does the vessel that can see the other know that the other can see it?


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

1. Read rule 7 (c)
2. Your post below shows just how stupid and inexperienced you are.
3. Keep trying Neal, but know that we all consider you an incompetent,
inexperienced danger to us all.

otn

Simple Simon wrote:

Slipperier than an eel you are. Slippery but not much
smarter than one, unfortunately. Your statement about
if a vessel can't see the bridge of a ship then the ship
cannot see the vessel was stupid, myopic, arrogant,
ignorant, dangerous and unfortunate for you.

It was a disgraceful thing for a licensed Master who claims
to be in charge of large ships to maintain. It shows the
arrogant attitude big ships have towards smaller vessels.
It is the attitude that results in collisions and loss of life.
It is the attitude the COLREGS were written to squash.

Shame on you for requiring a mere 25GT Near Coastal
Master to point out how much of an inept captain you really
are.

S.Simon - keeps a proper watch in all direction