If it 'doesn't happen' it's only because folks like you are
too afraid to make an ocean crossing. You're smart (or
afraid) enough to stay in sheltered waters with your
dangerous multi-hulls.

S.Simon - sails a safe boat.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
If my boat ever heeled more than 10 degrees I'd be calling the insurance agent. Last week
I had full sail up while close hauled in a 30 knot gust - we might have heeled 6 degrees.
Normally I would have been reefed, but this was a 2 mile zig in the middle of a 50 mile
broad reach.

You keep making the claims but the bottom line is that it doesn't happen. You can
certainly find numerous cases of racing multi flipping, and a few wiped out in harbor
during hurricane strikes (though they usually do better than monos), a number of smaller
cats (under 34 feet) have had a problem and even a few incidents during deliveries. But
there have been almost no cruising cats over 34 feet capsizing while cruising.

However, you can't say the same about monohull that roll - a startling number of them stay
capsized or sink.


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

Look at the capsize ratio charts for your average cruising cat.

What do you see? An angle of fifty or sixty degrees or less.
Bwahahahahahha!

Now, look at any ballasted monohull capsize ratio chart. What do
you see? An angle of 90 degrees and more? Yes, sir, that's the
ticket!

See what I mean?

S.Simon - a monohull sailor and safer because of it.

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
news
You keep claiming cruising cats capsize. They don't. Maybe its happened 5 times in
the
last 50 years. I'd say its a fair guess that more Coronado's have sunk in the same
period.




"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Thank you for reiterating the obvious. But, trying to make
multi-hull buyers see the obvious is about as difficult as
making a pig stay away from his slop.

My only hope is they remember our words as they suffer
and waste away in an upside down multihull adrift till they
starve or die of exposure.

S.Simon


"Capt.American" wrote in message
om...
"NH_/\)_" wrote in message
m...
Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range



http://www.sailnet.com/collections/b...&coll_cat=Choo
sing&Coll_name=Choosing%20a%20Boat


NH_/)_


Hey NH_/),

Did you read the last line of the link you posted?

"you should have a capsize plan and make sure that emergency supplies
will be reachable"

In other words you are stopped, upside down, and just flosum.

Never happen on a well buildt monohull.

I also like the line "you better be able to release your mainsheet in
an instant."

So True, and the real danger of a cat. If you buy a cat you better be
faster than the wind.

SO.......If you value your life stay away from cats, unless your just
a weekend warrior in the local bay or lake with someone looking out
4U.

Capt. American

Several PDQ 36's have crossed the Atlantic, and a significant number (perhaps 15 to 20%)
have gone to Bermuda and then down to the Caribbean.

Possible hundreds of Prouts have circumnavigated (they've never had a capsize); and almost
all of the charter cats in the Caribbean sailed there from France or South Africa.

So tell us Neal, how many crossings do you have? Has a Coronado 27 ever survived a
passage?



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
news
If it 'doesn't happen' it's only because folks like you are
too afraid to make an ocean crossing. You're smart (or
afraid) enough to stay in sheltered waters with your
dangerous multi-hulls.

S.Simon - sails a safe boat.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
If my boat ever heeled more than 10 degrees I'd be calling the insurance agent. Last
week
I had full sail up while close hauled in a 30 knot gust - we might have heeled 6
degrees.
Normally I would have been reefed, but this was a 2 mile zig in the middle of a 50
mile
broad reach.

You keep making the claims but the bottom line is that it doesn't happen. You can
certainly find numerous cases of racing multi flipping, and a few wiped out in harbor
during hurricane strikes (though they usually do better than monos), a number of
smaller
cats (under 34 feet) have had a problem and even a few incidents during deliveries.
But
there have been almost no cruising cats over 34 feet capsizing while cruising.

However, you can't say the same about monohull that roll - a startling number of them
stay
capsized or sink.


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

Look at the capsize ratio charts for your average cruising cat.

What do you see? An angle of fifty or sixty degrees or less.
Bwahahahahahha!

Now, look at any ballasted monohull capsize ratio chart. What do
you see? An angle of 90 degrees and more? Yes, sir, that's the
ticket!

See what I mean?

S.Simon - a monohull sailor and safer because of it.

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
news
You keep claiming cruising cats capsize. They don't. Maybe its happened 5 times
in
the
last 50 years. I'd say its a fair guess that more Coronado's have sunk in the
same
period.




"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Thank you for reiterating the obvious. But, trying to make
multi-hull buyers see the obvious is about as difficult as
making a pig stay away from his slop.

My only hope is they remember our words as they suffer
and waste away in an upside down multihull adrift till they
starve or die of exposure.

S.Simon


"Capt.American" wrote in message
om...
"NH_/\)_" wrote in message
m...
Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range




http://www.sailnet.com/collections/b...&coll_cat=Choo
sing&Coll_name=Choosing%20a%20Boat


NH_/)_


Hey NH_/),

Did you read the last line of the link you posted?

"you should have a capsize plan and make sure that emergency supplies
will be reachable"

In other words you are stopped, upside down, and just flosum.

Never happen on a well buildt monohull.

I also like the line "you better be able to release your mainsheet in
an instant."

So True, and the real danger of a cat. If you buy a cat you better be
faster than the wind.

SO.......If you value your life stay away from cats, unless your just
a weekend warrior in the local bay or lake with someone looking out
4U.

Capt. American

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message news
So tell us Neal, how many crossings do you have? Has a Coronado 27 ever survived a
passage?


There are numerous Coronado 27's that have circumnavigated.
"Cut the Mustard" will be among them one of these days.

Of the 1,397 Coronado 27's that were built 1,386 still sail. Only
11 have sunk, burned or are otherwise unaccounted for. This is
a far better record than any old Prout or any brand of multi-hull
for that matter.

S.Simon - a real sailor with a real license to engage in commerce.

There are numerous Coronado 27's that have circumnavigated.
"Cut the Mustard" will be among them one of these days.

This is a LIE. And a dangerous one. There is a record of a Catalina 27 doing
this after MAJOR mods.
Capt Neal and his Coronado 27 will NEVER circumnavigate, unless it's on
containerships!

RB

Look at the capsize ratio charts for your average cruising cat.

What do you see? An angle of fifty or sixty degrees or less.
Bwahahahahahha!

You idiot!
Do you have any idea what it takes to get a cruising cat to those
angles?

jeff, why waste time kicking the poor old fool. How would he know anything
about cruising cats? The poor guy snapped his boom in half, then glued it back
together, trippling it's weight! This was his solution to simply finding a
properly made boom.
The worst thing I've heard about Cruising cats is from a friend who's delivered
a few over the Atlantic. He says their motion in poor conditions can be very
hard on the crew compared to a good mono.
Given the type of sailing that 95% of us do, a Cat can make a lot of sense,
especially when enjoying more than one type of vessel in a lifetime of sailing.
I expect I'll own a Cat in between future boats...but I think my last boats
will be monos.

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
mono.
Given the type of sailing that 95% of us do, a Cat can make a lot of sense,
especially when enjoying more than one type of vessel in a lifetime of sailing.
I expect I'll own a Cat in between future boats...but I think my last boats
will be monos.

I agree, when the only sailing you do is within sight of the dock in sheltered
waters a multi-hull will suit just fine.

S.Simon

I agree, when the only sailing you do is within sight of the dock in sheltered
waters a multi-hull will suit just fine.

Why warp the truth? Are you sooo angry about your tired boat?
A cat like Jeff's is fantastic for his usage and would be damn good for yours
as well!

RB

"Simple Simon" wrote in message

There are numerous Coronado 27's that have circumnavigated.
"Cut the Mustard" will be among them one of these days.

Of the 1,397 Coronado 27's that were built 1,386 still sail. Only
11 have sunk, burned or are otherwise unaccounted for. This is
a far better record than any old Prout or any brand of multi-hull
for that matter.


I'd really like to know where you found those stats - by "numerous" do you mean one person
thought about it? Perhaps you can post a link to some of these passage logs.

Your count of C27's seems real high, especially since the company went belly up a few
years after it was introduced. Are you sure that isn't a count of all the boats they
built?

Since Prout built 4 to 5000 cruising cats, and never had a capsize or sinking, you're
going to have trouble beating that record. I do recall a fire on one - the hull was later
converted to a commercial fishing boat!

Yep! That's why your attempts to portray my boat as unseaworthy were so
laughably ignorant and completely off the mark. You are one desperate little
lubber!

Which attempts? Your boat is simply too small to be a safe boat. It's a nice
boat for protected waters where you sail.
We're sailing to Martha's Vineyard in the Spring. That's a trip that would be
less than comfortable on your little toy. The C&C 27 III is also less of a boat
than the 70's versions, from build to interior to lines.

RB