If my boat ever heeled more than 10 degrees I'd be calling the insurance agent. Last week
I had full sail up while close hauled in a 30 knot gust - we might have heeled 6 degrees.
Normally I would have been reefed, but this was a 2 mile zig in the middle of a 50 mile
broad reach.

You keep making the claims but the bottom line is that it doesn't happen. You can
certainly find numerous cases of racing multi flipping, and a few wiped out in harbor
during hurricane strikes (though they usually do better than monos), a number of smaller
cats (under 34 feet) have had a problem and even a few incidents during deliveries. But
there have been almost no cruising cats over 34 feet capsizing while cruising.

However, you can't say the same about monohull that roll - a startling number of them stay
capsized or sink.


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

Look at the capsize ratio charts for your average cruising cat.

What do you see? An angle of fifty or sixty degrees or less.
Bwahahahahahha!

Now, look at any ballasted monohull capsize ratio chart. What do
you see? An angle of 90 degrees and more? Yes, sir, that's the
ticket!

See what I mean?

S.Simon - a monohull sailor and safer because of it.

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
news
You keep claiming cruising cats capsize. They don't. Maybe its happened 5 times in
the
last 50 years. I'd say its a fair guess that more Coronado's have sunk in the same
period.




"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Thank you for reiterating the obvious. But, trying to make
multi-hull buyers see the obvious is about as difficult as
making a pig stay away from his slop.

My only hope is they remember our words as they suffer
and waste away in an upside down multihull adrift till they
starve or die of exposure.

S.Simon


"Capt.American" wrote in message
om...
"NH_/\)_" wrote in message
m...
Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range



http://www.sailnet.com/collections/b...&coll_cat=Choo
sing&Coll_name=Choosing%20a%20Boat


NH_/)_


Hey NH_/),

Did you read the last line of the link you posted?

"you should have a capsize plan and make sure that emergency supplies
will be reachable"

In other words you are stopped, upside down, and just flosum.

Never happen on a well buildt monohull.

I also like the line "you better be able to release your mainsheet in
an instant."

So True, and the real danger of a cat. If you buy a cat you better be
faster than the wind.

SO.......If you value your life stay away from cats, unless your just
a weekend warrior in the local bay or lake with someone looking out
4U.

Capt. American

CORRECTION: The recession, which is over and lasted three quarters
in 2001, started during the Democrat Clinton's administration. Clinton's
largest tax increases in history in 94/95 caused it.

President George W. Bush cured the Democrat-caused recession
with his tax cuts.

Jeff, you are soooooooooooooo ignorant and stupid!

S.Simon


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Typical Democrat - suck the system for all it's worth then
lobby for higher taxes so it'll be worth even more. Never
think about going to work and earning a living for once. . .
Let the rest of us pay your way.


With over 30 years of employment in the State I've certainly paid into the Unemployment
Insurance program far more than I ever will receive. Actually, I was an employer for 8
years, and paid *much* more into the system during that period the I ever will receive.

During this Republican recession its a little hard to find jobs around here now-a-days.

And even easier to collect that fat pension at YOUR espense!

And live like a near-homeless person on a joke-a-boat Coronado 27? If you had
any cash, you'd find a better boat with a bit more space and confort.
Your living conditions tell the real story.

RB

Only bite when bitten ;-)

NH_/)_

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
OK, Nora, them's fightin' words . . .
I don't normally fight with a lady but, in your case,
I might wanna make an exception. Bet you like it
a little rough?

S.Simon - a lover; not a fighter.

"NH_/)_" wrote in message
m...
S.S. you have some serious issues, Any boat is nicer than yours
with new sails and bent cheap 13m boom theeheh.


NH_/)_

Depending on how you define the terms, the number is 3 or 4 or 5. Several cases involved
skipper incompetence, though this is often the case with hindsight. But one was
particularly bad - the entire crew didn't have foul weather gear and in a gale refused to
go on deck to reef or control the boat - it flipped on autopilot! I know of another
autopilot assisted capsize, but it was in a smaller cat that I would include as a cruiser.

The only case I know of where the skipper did every thing right and still flipped was in a
hurricane off Bermuda (1987?). A number of monohulls were lost without a trace during
that storm, but the crew of the flipped cat was rescued. Unfortunately the owner/skipper
died because his diabetes medicine was lost.

Trimarans have a much worse record - since they can fly an ama they run the risk of
stuffing the lee bow with serious stability problems. IIRC the "F" club reports only 1
capsize of a Farrier design ever while cruising, but several a year while racing.




"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
You keep claiming cruising cats capsize. They don't.

How many cruising cats have flipped over in the last 15 years?
I can't even find one case online for a cruiser like Jeffs.

RB

Unlike you, I know what I like in a cruising sailboat.

I've spent the time and money to perfect mine while
you continue to boat-hop from one dream to the next.
The loss is yours.

S.Simon - Booby's mentor


"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
And even easier to collect that fat pension at YOUR espense!

And live like a near-homeless person on a joke-a-boat Coronado 27? If you had
any cash, you'd find a better boat with a bit more space and confort.
Your living conditions tell the real story.

RB

If it 'doesn't happen' it's only because folks like you are
too afraid to make an ocean crossing. You're smart (or
afraid) enough to stay in sheltered waters with your
dangerous multi-hulls.

S.Simon - sails a safe boat.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
If my boat ever heeled more than 10 degrees I'd be calling the insurance agent. Last week
I had full sail up while close hauled in a 30 knot gust - we might have heeled 6 degrees.
Normally I would have been reefed, but this was a 2 mile zig in the middle of a 50 mile
broad reach.

You keep making the claims but the bottom line is that it doesn't happen. You can
certainly find numerous cases of racing multi flipping, and a few wiped out in harbor
during hurricane strikes (though they usually do better than monos), a number of smaller
cats (under 34 feet) have had a problem and even a few incidents during deliveries. But
there have been almost no cruising cats over 34 feet capsizing while cruising.

However, you can't say the same about monohull that roll - a startling number of them stay
capsized or sink.


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

Look at the capsize ratio charts for your average cruising cat.

What do you see? An angle of fifty or sixty degrees or less.
Bwahahahahahha!

Now, look at any ballasted monohull capsize ratio chart. What do
you see? An angle of 90 degrees and more? Yes, sir, that's the
ticket!

See what I mean?

S.Simon - a monohull sailor and safer because of it.

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
news
You keep claiming cruising cats capsize. They don't. Maybe its happened 5 times in
the
last 50 years. I'd say its a fair guess that more Coronado's have sunk in the same
period.




"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Thank you for reiterating the obvious. But, trying to make
multi-hull buyers see the obvious is about as difficult as
making a pig stay away from his slop.

My only hope is they remember our words as they suffer
and waste away in an upside down multihull adrift till they
starve or die of exposure.

S.Simon


"Capt.American" wrote in message
om...
"NH_/\)_" wrote in message
m...
Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range



http://www.sailnet.com/collections/b...&coll_cat=Choo
sing&Coll_name=Choosing%20a%20Boat


NH_/)_


Hey NH_/),

Did you read the last line of the link you posted?

"you should have a capsize plan and make sure that emergency supplies
will be reachable"

In other words you are stopped, upside down, and just flosum.

Never happen on a well buildt monohull.

I also like the line "you better be able to release your mainsheet in
an instant."

So True, and the real danger of a cat. If you buy a cat you better be
faster than the wind.

SO.......If you value your life stay away from cats, unless your just
a weekend warrior in the local bay or lake with someone looking out
4U.

Capt. American

Have you dived the bottoms of the oceans of the world?

S.Simon


"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
You keep claiming cruising cats capsize. They don't.

How many cruising cats have flipped over in the last 15 years?
I can't even find one case online for a cruiser like Jeffs.

RB

My kinda girl ;-)))


"NH_/)_" wrote in message om...
Only bite when bitten ;-)

NH_/)_

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
OK, Nora, them's fightin' words . . .
I don't normally fight with a lady but, in your case,
I might wanna make an exception. Bet you like it
a little rough?

S.Simon - a lover; not a fighter.

"NH_/)_" wrote in message
m...
S.S. you have some serious issues, Any boat is nicer than yours
with new sails and bent cheap 13m boom theeheh.


NH_/)_

Several PDQ 36's have crossed the Atlantic, and a significant number (perhaps 15 to 20%)
have gone to Bermuda and then down to the Caribbean.

Possible hundreds of Prouts have circumnavigated (they've never had a capsize); and almost
all of the charter cats in the Caribbean sailed there from France or South Africa.

So tell us Neal, how many crossings do you have? Has a Coronado 27 ever survived a
passage?



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
news
If it 'doesn't happen' it's only because folks like you are
too afraid to make an ocean crossing. You're smart (or
afraid) enough to stay in sheltered waters with your
dangerous multi-hulls.

S.Simon - sails a safe boat.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
If my boat ever heeled more than 10 degrees I'd be calling the insurance agent. Last
week
I had full sail up while close hauled in a 30 knot gust - we might have heeled 6
degrees.
Normally I would have been reefed, but this was a 2 mile zig in the middle of a 50
mile
broad reach.

You keep making the claims but the bottom line is that it doesn't happen. You can
certainly find numerous cases of racing multi flipping, and a few wiped out in harbor
during hurricane strikes (though they usually do better than monos), a number of
smaller
cats (under 34 feet) have had a problem and even a few incidents during deliveries.
But
there have been almost no cruising cats over 34 feet capsizing while cruising.

However, you can't say the same about monohull that roll - a startling number of them
stay
capsized or sink.


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

Look at the capsize ratio charts for your average cruising cat.

What do you see? An angle of fifty or sixty degrees or less.
Bwahahahahahha!

Now, look at any ballasted monohull capsize ratio chart. What do
you see? An angle of 90 degrees and more? Yes, sir, that's the
ticket!

See what I mean?

S.Simon - a monohull sailor and safer because of it.

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
news
You keep claiming cruising cats capsize. They don't. Maybe its happened 5 times
in
the
last 50 years. I'd say its a fair guess that more Coronado's have sunk in the
same
period.




"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Thank you for reiterating the obvious. But, trying to make
multi-hull buyers see the obvious is about as difficult as
making a pig stay away from his slop.

My only hope is they remember our words as they suffer
and waste away in an upside down multihull adrift till they
starve or die of exposure.

S.Simon


"Capt.American" wrote in message
om...
"NH_/\)_" wrote in message
m...
Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range




http://www.sailnet.com/collections/b...&coll_cat=Choo
sing&Coll_name=Choosing%20a%20Boat


NH_/)_


Hey NH_/),

Did you read the last line of the link you posted?

"you should have a capsize plan and make sure that emergency supplies
will be reachable"

In other words you are stopped, upside down, and just flosum.

Never happen on a well buildt monohull.

I also like the line "you better be able to release your mainsheet in
an instant."

So True, and the real danger of a cat. If you buy a cat you better be
faster than the wind.

SO.......If you value your life stay away from cats, unless your just
a weekend warrior in the local bay or lake with someone looking out
4U.

Capt. American