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Sabresails responded to my query with:
"The prices and information that you requested follow. We offer a wide range of sails that are competitive with any sailmaker in the world today. We look forward to your reply and appreciate the opportunity to serve you and your sailing requirements. "Thank you for considering Sabre Sails!! "Type of boat: Coronado 27 "MAIN "P = 27.00 "E = 9.50 "Premium Bluewater: Challenge Cloth 6.18 oz:$693.28 "Performance Plus: Dimension Cloth 6.0 oz:$812.84 "Contender Cloth 6.4 oz: $839.91 "OPTIONS: "Full Battens:$172.95 2+2 Battens:$90.00 1st reef kit(includes 2ply from clew to reef and cunningham): $178.75 Standard/Additional reefs (each): $85.80 Sunbrella Sail Cover:$315.00 Numbers: $.65 per inch/per number Logo: $65.00 Draft Stripes(each): $13.00 "HEADSAIL "I =32.4 J =10.75 Lp = 100% "Premium Bluewater Challenge Cloth 6.18 oz:$599.37 "Performance Plus: Dimension Cloth 6.0 oz:$740.65 Contender Cloth 6.4 oz:$773.96 "OPTIONS: "Suncover: Uv Insignia:$158.96 Uv Dacron/Sunbrella:$274.58 Sail numbers: $.65 per inch/per number Draft Stripes(each): $13.00 Blade battens (each): $45.50 Roller battens (each): $65.00 Telltale Windows (each): $45.50 Foam Luff:$93.28" Sabresails prices don't compare with Honk Kong Sails or Sailwarehouse. S.Simon - a Captain who shops smart |
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Sabresails responded to my query with:
"The prices and information that you requested follow. We offer a wide range of sails that are competitive with A guy with an Endeavor 32 bought a set from Sabresails and they were pulling apart after two seasons! Good luck, Smart shopper! Bwahahahahaaha! RB |
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Cappy...
Have you checked the pricing by Sailnet/Air Force Sails? They are in your part of the world and have a pretty sophisticated sail pricing web site. I don't have any first hand knowledge of their sails, other than they seem *much* cheaper than the North Sails I have purchased in the past. If money is an issue, you could just motor around with the sail cover on like Bob and just tell people you have a serviceable mainsail:) On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:55:55 -0400, "Simple Simon" wrote: Sabresails responded to my query with: "The prices and information that you requested follow. We offer a wide range of sails that are competitive with any sailmaker in the world today. We look forward to your reply and appreciate the opportunity to serve you and your sailing requirements. "Thank you for considering Sabre Sails!! "Type of boat: Coronado 27 "MAIN "P = 27.00 "E = 9.50 "Premium Bluewater: Challenge Cloth 6.18 oz:$693.28 "Performance Plus: Dimension Cloth 6.0 oz:$812.84 "Contender Cloth 6.4 oz: $839.91 "OPTIONS: "Full Battens:$172.95 2+2 Battens:$90.00 1st reef kit(includes 2ply from clew to reef and cunningham): $178.75 Standard/Additional reefs (each): $85.80 Sunbrella Sail Cover:$315.00 Numbers: $.65 per inch/per number Logo: $65.00 Draft Stripes(each): $13.00 "HEADSAIL "I =32.4 J =10.75 Lp = 100% "Premium Bluewater Challenge Cloth 6.18 oz:$599.37 "Performance Plus: Dimension Cloth 6.0 oz:$740.65 Contender Cloth 6.4 oz:$773.96 "OPTIONS: "Suncover: Uv Insignia:$158.96 Uv Dacron/Sunbrella:$274.58 Sail numbers: $.65 per inch/per number Draft Stripes(each): $13.00 Blade battens (each): $45.50 Roller battens (each): $65.00 Telltale Windows (each): $45.50 Foam Luff:$93.28" Sabresails prices don't compare with Honk Kong Sails or Sailwarehouse. S.Simon - a Captain who shops smart |
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Neal,
I know it is up to you but I think a cruising main should be 8 oz. By the way. I'm very, very happy with the free foot. OT |
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Just chk'd my respone. 7oz main. I hit wrong key
Ole Thom |
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Thom,
I just got a new North Sails free foot main. Haven't had a change to take it out yet. Do you notice any difference in sail trim or performance with the free foot vs attached foot? Kelton s/c Isle Escape Thom Stewart wrote: Neal, I know it is up to you but I think a cruising main should be 8 oz. By the way. I'm very, very happy with the free foot. OT |
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Kel,
When it comes to seeing the "TRIM" the free foot has it all over the closed foot. I've been very pleased! You can read even the slightest trim adjustment real easy. That goes for halyard tension, Outhaul tension, Vang tension. The draw string on the main foot is very effective as is the Leech Draw string. I have the full batten main and the set up on the North is far superior to the UK battens. I haven't had a good chance to try the sail in Hvy Air but I have no dought of the sail's performance. Should know in a week or two (Now that we're on the winter side of Labor Day) Kel, let me know how you find the sail and the ease of trimming. I 'm developing the habit of watching the curve of the free foot. It's such a "kick in the ass" to see the speed of the trimming in the lower part of the sail. Ole Thom |
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Thom,
So, you're willing to sacrifice or compromise performance induced by greater end vortex creation with its attendant drag in exchange for seeing the 'trim'. Not a very good exchange in my opinion. I would rather have the shelf foot and install a few more yarn telltales to see the air flow over the sail. But yours is the typical case of 'overcompensation'. You screwed up and forgot to specify a shelf foot for your sail and rather than admit your mistake you engage in a cover up. You are as much as saying, "I meant to do that". S.Simon "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Kel, When it comes to seeing the "TRIM" the free foot has it all over the closed foot. I've been very pleased! You can read even the slightest trim adjustment real easy. That goes for halyard tension, Outhaul tension, Vang tension. The draw string on the main foot is very effective as is the Leech Draw string. I have the full batten main and the set up on the North is far superior to the UK battens. I haven't had a good chance to try the sail in Hvy Air but I have no dought of the sail's performance. Should know in a week or two (Now that we're on the winter side of Labor Day) Kel, let me know how you find the sail and the ease of trimming. I 'm developing the habit of watching the curve of the free foot. It's such a "kick in the ass" to see the speed of the trimming in the lower part of the sail. Ole Thom |
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Simple Simon wrote: Sabresails responded to my query with: your boat is "Get a blue poly tarp from Wal-Mart. You can't afford real sails and your boat is too junky for us to put our sails on." |
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When it comes to seeing the "TRIM" the free foot has it all over the
closed foot. By "free foot" I assume you guys mean loose foot. A loose foot does not have it all over a main with an optional shelf foot. Loose footed mainsails are pushed today by sailmakers because they are easier and cheaper to build. The usual 3 pitches a sailmaker makes to the customer is 1. that when sailing downwind the outhaul can be eased more to make the sail deeper 2. there is a little more unrated sail area and 3. the outhaul might be easier to work since there is no foot bolt rope or slugs to add friction. My problem with a loose footed main is your in a bind when the one and only slug at the clew breaks. I just bought a new main this past spring and I was given the loose foot pitch but I opted for a shelf foot. And I race. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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SAIL LOCO wrote: .... My problem with a loose footed main is your in a bind when the one and only slug at the clew breaks. And with a shelf foot, do you honestly expect the foot bolt rope to hold the sail if the clew slug breaks?? Sorry, but it ain't gonna! I just bought a new main this past spring and I was given the loose foot pitch but I opted for a shelf foot. And I race. The only reason to have a shelf foot is if it's mandated by one-design rules OR you get a rating hit for a loose foot. The shelf adds nothing to the sail except a place to catch rain water. But a lot of people like them better, just like a lot of people liked gaff rigs better (and swore they were faster, stronger, etc etc) back in the days when Marconi rigs were newfangled. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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And with a shelf foot, do you honestly expect the foot bolt rope to hold the
sail if the clew slug breaks?? Sorry, but it ain't gonna! LOL......... Well you tell me how a bolt rope is going to lift out of the slot especially when it's held by the tack fitting and the outhaul? There is no way a 5/16" rope is going to lift out of a 1/16" wide slot. Duh "it ain't gonna" S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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The only reason to have a shelf foot is if it's mandated by one-design rules
OR you get a rating hit for a loose foot. The shelf adds nothing to the sail except a place to catch rain water. Douglas, I never said they were better. I only said the loose foot wasn't better and that the shelf foot was safer if you lost the clew slug. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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SAIL LOCO wrote: And with a shelf foot, do you honestly expect the foot bolt rope to hold the sail if the clew slug breaks?? Sorry, but it ain't gonna! LOL......... Well you tell me how a bolt rope is going to lift out of the slot especially when it's held by the tack fitting and the outhaul? There is no way a 5/16" rope is going to lift out of a 1/16" wide slot. Duh "it ain't gonna" If the stress is enough to rip the slug out of the track, or break the connector between clew & slug, yes it is. Been there, done that..... it rips across the foot of the sail like a zipper. If the problem is chafe where the slug is strapped to the clew, then yes your foot might stay in the track. The tack fitting is at the other end of the foot, how is it going to help keep the clew in place? Loco, you're not an engineer are ya? BTW I used to not believe in putting a relieving line on the sail between reef point & boom when reefed... but now I do... guess why? The only reason to have a shelf foot is if it's mandated by one-design rules OR you get a rating hit for a loose foot. The shelf adds nothing to the sail except a place to catch rain water. SAIL LOCO wrote: Douglas, I never said they were better. I only said the loose foot wasn't better and that the shelf foot was safer if you lost the clew slug. Well, sorry to disagree. The loose foot is slightly faster and (as outlined above) I don't think the shelf foot is going to hold the foot & clew if the clew slug is ripped out... the clew slug is much stronger to start with, if it breaks why wouldn't the weaker link also break? Sort of like tying a kite string to a piece of chain, and saying 'now I'm safe if the chain breaks.' BTW the shelf foot of a Lightning mainsail will hold about 1/2 gallon of water, and in a roll-tack will dump 6 pints of it down the skipper's neck.... one more reason I like loose footed mains! Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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Neal,
I've thought of that self but I don't think that is the case. I really think I like the free footed sail better. You should know me well enough by now to know that for the cost of installing a shelve if I thought it was better there would be shelve on that sail. I don't think it would be better! Neal, I don't think I lose that much in performance, if any at all. It is a better sail, in my mind, right now. I'll sail it this way for now. If I find anything as I sail it, I will add the shelve. I don't think it will happen. There is also a third option. As I really get to know the sail, I may add the shelve and if I don't see an improvement I'll take it off. This is the option that is the one that I'm considering the most right now. |
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In real life situations where you're not racing or
checking yourself with a stop watch I doubt you or anybody can tell the difference between the sail with or without the shelf. If you don't have a shelf, however, all you have holding the sail in place is one fitting holding the clew. Does your fitting slide on a track or slot in the boom? It seems to me that a sliding slug attached to the clew cringle with webbing combined with a bolt rope that also fits into the slot in the boom with a separate outhaul hardware is a much safer and stronger set-up overall. I'm getting close to ordering my new set of sails from Hong Kong sails. The shipping is steeper at 140 dollars but with the lower sail prices it still ends up being cheaper than Sailwharehouse and the sails have better features. I was sure to specify a shelf foot with metal slug at clew attached with webbing and 3/8" bolt rope to fit slot in boom. S.Simon "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Neal, I've thought of that self but I don't think that is the case. I really think I like the free footed sail better. You should know me well enough by now to know that for the cost of installing a shelve if I thought it was better there would be shelve on that sail. I don't think it would be better! Neal, I don't think I lose that much in performance, if any at all. It is a better sail, in my mind, right now. I'll sail it this way for now. If I find anything as I sail it, I will add the shelve. I don't think it will happen. There is also a third option. As I really get to know the sail, I may add the shelve and if I don't see an improvement I'll take it off. This is the option that is the one that I'm considering the most right now. |
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If the stress is enough to rip the slug out of the track, or break the
connector between clew & slug, yes it is. Been there, done that..... it rips across the foot of the sail like a zipper. Unless your talking about a different type of slug than I have ever seen I don't know how a big round slug could pull through a 1/16" or 1/8" slot. Ok I could see the foot ripping along the bolt rope if the sail was old. If the problem is chafe where the slug is strapped to the clew, then yes your foot might stay in the track. That's what usually happens. The strap fails. The tack fitting is at the other end of the foot, how is it going to help keep the clew in place? Loco, you're not an engineer are ya? I never said that. My point was that the entire foot would stay in place on the boom. A sail with a bolt rope, even if the clew slug attachment failed, would be held in place because of tension between the tack and outhaul. My engineer (simulated in the matrix) brain tells me this. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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SAIL LOCO wrote: Unless your talking about a different type of slug than I have ever seen I don't know how a big round slug could pull through a 1/16" or 1/8" slot. Umm, you were the one talking about it pulling out. I was just pointing out that the slug & it's strap are much stronger than the foot shelf & boltrope. .... A sail with a bolt rope, even if the clew slug attachment failed, would be held in place because of tension between the tack and outhaul. If the outhaul stays intact, then the foot will stay in place without the bolt rope, too. That's how a Laser works ;) My engineer (simulated in the matrix) brain tells me this. Yes but do you have a digitally simulated slide rule? Frsh Breezes- Doug King |
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A Couple of Points Loco,
Your logic leave a lot to be desired. A free footed main attachments to the boom are the very same connections that are use with the closed footed sail. The very same. You the slug on the leech? The Leech cringle is attached to the outhaul car with the same pin as used for both type sails. The same for the tack. I've been sailing for over 50 years and I just learned something I never realized until I seen it with my own eyes. on the free footed sail. When turning upwind and you tighten the vang, to flatten the main. The lower part of the sail becomes rounder. (Due to the bend in the boom) n outhaul adjustment is necessary. Enough of an adjustment as to make it necessary to make new mark settings for the outhaul car farther back`than the normal position for car setting the sail to wind condition. I've never have done that in all the years I've sailed with the shelve. I've just never seen it. Loco, do you just use one weight main for Racing? Do you use a lite air main? Or a laminated main? A free footed main goes on and off at least 10 times easier and a 100 times faster. If you're stripping the boom after racing, you really should consider the free footed mains. I thought I had trim down pretty damn well but my new sail has been teaching me the errors of my ways. One of the biggest errors was that the bolt rope in the shelve is a limiting factor to proper lower sail trim. I'm getting better sail trim on my new sail. Enough to question the effectiveness of the shelve. After I get a performance curve made up for this sail and if it is much difference over the UK's, I probably will instatt a shelve and run a performance curve on this sail; with and without. Probably into next spring but stay tuned. Ole Thom |
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If you don't have a shelf, however, all you have
holding the sail in place is one fitting holding the clew. Duh .... there are plenty of mains without either a shelf foot or a loose foot. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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We ain't talkin' about any old racing junk here.
We're talkin' cruising, man. Go away! You know nothing about cruising and cruising boats. Your boat's even less a cruiser than a racer. S.Simon "SAIL LOCO" wrote in message ... If you don't have a shelf, however, all you have holding the sail in place is one fitting holding the clew. Duh .... there are plenty of mains without either a shelf foot or a loose foot. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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How does the bolt rope in the boom limit the trim?
Mine bolt rope (3/8" polyester sewn to the sail) stretches as the outhaul is heaved tight and the sliding slug at the clew slides aft. The sail stretches at the foot and the shelf actually closes so it is not even evident. Only when the outhaul is slacked off to produce a fuller sail is the shelf expanded. Maybe your shelf-footed sail was poorly designed? S.Simon "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... A Couple of Points Loco, Your logic leave a lot to be desired. A free footed main attachments to the boom are the very same connections that are use with the closed footed sail. The very same. You the slug on the leech? The Leech cringle is attached to the outhaul car with the same pin as used for both type sails. The same for the tack. I've been sailing for over 50 years and I just learned something I never realized until I seen it with my own eyes. on the free footed sail. When turning upwind and you tighten the vang, to flatten the main. The lower part of the sail becomes rounder. (Due to the bend in the boom) n outhaul adjustment is necessary. Enough of an adjustment as to make it necessary to make new mark settings for the outhaul car farther back`than the normal position for car setting the sail to wind condition. I've never have done that in all the years I've sailed with the shelve. I've just never seen it. Loco, do you just use one weight main for Racing? Do you use a lite air main? Or a laminated main? A free footed main goes on and off at least 10 times easier and a 100 times faster. If you're stripping the boom after racing, you really should consider the free footed mains. I thought I had trim down pretty damn well but my new sail has been teaching me the errors of my ways. One of the biggest errors was that the bolt rope in the shelve is a limiting factor to proper lower sail trim. I'm getting better sail trim on my new sail. Enough to question the effectiveness of the shelve. After I get a performance curve made up for this sail and if it is much difference over the UK's, I probably will instatt a shelve and run a performance curve on this sail; with and without. Probably into next spring but stay tuned. Ole Thom |
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On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 17:22:18 -0400, DSK wrote
this crap: Yes but do you have a digitally simulated slide rule? I do. It's called a calculator. Ave Imperator Bush! Bush Was Right! Four More Years! |
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I've been sailing for over 50 years and I just learned something I never
realized until I seen it with my own eyes. on the free footed sail. When turning upwind and you tighten the vang, to flatten the main. The lower part of the sail becomes rounder. (Due to the bend in the boom) n outhaul adjustment is necessary. Maybe I'm missing something with your post but when you turn upwind you should be trimming hard with the mainsheet and the vang should have no effect. I would also think if your hauling in harder with the vang than the mainsheet that's the reason why your boom is bending which is something that shouldn't happen. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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Loco, do you just use one weight main for Racing? Do you use a lite air
main? Or a laminated main? A free footed main goes on and off at least 10 times easier and a 100 times faster. If you're stripping the boom after racing, you really should consider the free footed mains. I only use 1 main. The easy removal was another sailmaker loose foot pitch. And I agree it's true but means nothing to me twice a year. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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One of the biggest errors was that the bolt rope in the shelve is a
limiting factor to proper lower sail trim. I'm getting better sail trim on my new sail. Enough to question the effectiveness of the shelve. I'd be willing to bet your old main just ended with a bolt rope at thefoot and did not contain a shelf foot. With a proper shelf foot the sail trims perfectly all the way down to the boom. Without a shelf foot the sail just rolls into the boom. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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Loco,
I'm really the wrong guy to be championing the free footed sail. I'm only using it for the first time, the last two weeks. I have definitively seen advantages. So, if your main lives on the boom, you must be racing with a Dacron Cruising Main? Is it a 7 oz Dacron? Do you have that same dumb leech control as Neal? The line from the outhaul car? That sure does put strain on the end slug!! A correct set-up should bring the leech cringle to the outhaul car so that the outhaul pressure is on the bottom (or foot) of the sail along the boom The leech tension n a proper built sail should be controlled by proper draw string. To reduce the length of the foot, the tension on the outhaul car should be eased and drawn up by a draw string on the sail's foot. This is how a good sail is trim for a baggy down wind shape. It is kept opened by the sheet and vang. This is how I was taught and I do believe it is correct. Now the boltrope will only let you reduce foot length of the sail in a shelf to the relaxed condition of the boltrope. The sown sail and rope cannot be compressed. ( A limiting factor) To draw the length of the foot of the sail, The outhaul must be moved back, stretching the bolt rope (Another limiting factor in trim) With a free footed sail the outhaul car is free to move along the boom with no limiting force acting on it horizontally. The wrinkles in the bottom of the sail can be controlled without any force, just position of the outhaul and draw string Cripes, isn't there anyone out there that has used a free footed sail longer than two week. TALK TO US!!! Ole Thom |
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Mine bolt rope (3/8" polyester sewn to the sail)
stretches as the outhaul is heaved tight and the sliding slug at the clew slides aft. The sail stretches at the foot and the shelf actually closes so it is not even evident. Only when the outhaul is slacked off to produce a fuller sail is the shelf expanded. Hey Simple, I keep telling you that you know nothing about boats. The main in that photo does not have a shelf foot. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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So, if your main lives on the boom, you must be racing with a Dacron
Cruising Main? Is it a 7 oz Dacron? I'm presently using a Ulman tri radial main that is made out of the new Dimension square weave Dacron cloth. If you want to see it. http://journals.aol.com/sailloco/SAILLOCOSPage/ S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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Horvath wrote: Yes but do you have a digitally simulated slide rule? I do. It's called a calculator. Not the same thing. Not even close, dumbass. DSK |
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Yeah Thom... I've used loose footed sail for six years.... won't go back.
Better sail shape, easier to tune/adjust. I still have the bolt rope installed so I can use the sail either way. I'll stick to my free foot... and I've listened to all the arguments on both sides. I find for me it makes the most sense. I also have full battens... luv'em. Not that this fact is any endorsement or help to your argument. BTW... when reefing a loose footed main, there is no longer any need to tie to the boom. I found the reefed shape is better.. CM "Thom Stewart" wrote in message | Cripes, isn't there anyone out there that has used a free footed sail | longer than two week. TALK TO US!!! | | Ole Thom | |
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Cap, you bring up a frequently misunderstood point. The reef ties shoud never be used to tie the sail to the boom. This is a cause for sail maker enrichment. The reef ties are not reinforced to take such strain. A reefed main is a loose footed main and the sail ties are just there to make the package neat. On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:08:13 -0300, "Capt. Mooron" wrote: BTW... when reefing a loose footed main, there is no longer any need to tie to the boom. I found the reefed shape is better.. CM "Thom Stewart" wrote in message | Cripes, isn't there anyone out there that has used a free footed sail | longer than two week. TALK TO US!!! | | Ole Thom | |
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Sorry Loco,
My Web tv can't open your pictures. Wish I could Ole Thom P/S All my shelves work as you say. They would unfold as the curve in the bottom increased. |
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"Marc" wrote in message ... | | | | Cap, you bring up a frequently misunderstood point. The reef ties | shoud never be used to tie the sail to the boom. This is a cause for | sail maker enrichment. The reef ties are not reinforced to take such | strain. A reefed main is a loose footed main and the sail ties are | just there to make the package neat. So Marc... how do you tie a reef into a main that has a bolt rope along the boom? Since when are reef points not reinforced? CM |
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CM,
I'm not arguing. Don't have enough experience yet with the free footed sail. I've just been mentioning some of the differences I've found and most of them I like. I'll be able to talk better when I've made up a performance curve using the new main. So far it has shown itself to be a very good light air sail. Ole Thom |
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Marc,
You bring up another good point. I went to Jiffy Reefing years ago, when I was using Shelf footed mains. I stopped using reefing ties for the reason you've stated. With a shelf, you have to tie to the boom Let my state that sailing reefed, in the rain without ties is one WET cockpit each time you tack Ole Thom |
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"The Captains Master" wrote in message ... | On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:36:38 -0300, "Capt. Mooron" | wrote: | | | "Marc" wrote in message | .. . | | | | | | | | Cap, you bring up a frequently misunderstood point. The reef ties | | shoud never be used to tie the sail to the boom. This is a cause for | | sail maker enrichment. The reef ties are not reinforced to take such | | strain. A reefed main is a loose footed main and the sail ties are | | just there to make the package neat. | | So Marc... how do you tie a reef into a main that has a bolt rope along the | boom? | | Huh? | | Since when are reef points not reinforced? | | They're reinforced so they won't tear thru the sail if it takes a lot | of water. | Oh and Marc is correct, a reefer main is then a loose footed sail. Oddly enough my original North Sail Main came from the factory with a bolt rope on the foot and 3 reefing points.... A "Reefer" Main..... ???? Is that the type they say really "smoke"?? ;-) CM |
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Since when are reef points not reinforced?
They are NOT designed to do more than keep excess sail neat and clear. A reefed main is for all intents and purposes loose footed. RB |
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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... | CM, | | I'm not arguing. Don't have enough experience yet with the free footed | sail. I've just been mentioning some of the differences I've found and | most of them I like. | | I'll be able to talk better when I've made up a performance curve using | the new main. So far it has shown itself to be a very good light air | sail. Yeah... I can't find anything bad about it in heavy air either. Then again I'm not racing and I've never even entertained the idea of a performance curve. I have found that easing up on the outhaul to belly the main seems to make it less prone to an accidental gybe when wing on wing. CM |
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