ATTN: Bobsprit
 

Bob, since you said that you'd answer direct questions, here are a few I'd
like to ask, not only for my own benefit, but for that of the group...

What is your coordinate system is set at?

How do you interpolate that data onto a chart?

Have you a clue as to what 'chart datum' is?

Can you comprehend UTM from Lat/Lon?

Are seconds, minutes and degrees greek to you?

Do you use an unpowered GPS?


Thank you in advance.



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Bobsprit
 

And, I'd like Booby to tell me us about the rule of 12ths.


"Wally" wrote in message ...
Bob, since you said that you'd answer direct questions, here are a few I'd
like to ask, not only for my own benefit, but for that of the group...

What is your coordinate system is set at?

How do you interpolate that data onto a chart?

Have you a clue as to what 'chart datum' is?

Can you comprehend UTM from Lat/Lon?

Are seconds, minutes and degrees greek to you?

Do you use an unpowered GPS?


Thank you in advance.



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Bobsprit
 

Bob, since you said that you'd answer direct questions, here are a few I'd
like to ask, not only for my own benefit, but for that of the group...

Wally, shame on you!
The trick is to troll info I can't look up or extrapolate errors from normal
posts. You just don't get it.

RB

Bobsprit
 

CANDChelp wrote:
Bob, since you said that you'd answer direct questions, here are a
few I'd like to ask, not only for my own benefit, but for that of the
group...

Wally, shame on you!
The trick is to troll info I can't look up or extrapolate errors from
normal posts. You just don't get it.

Bob, shame on you!
The trick is to troll to see if you can do simple tasks like operate a tide
table or open the battery compartment of your GPS. You just don't get it.


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Bobsprit
 

Wally the datum changes when he steps in the boat.

Remember Archimedes principal.

"Wally" wrote in message
...
Bob, since you said that you'd answer direct questions, here are a few I'd
like to ask, not only for my own benefit, but for that of the group...

What is your coordinate system is set at?

How do you interpolate that data onto a chart?

Have you a clue as to what 'chart datum' is?

Can you comprehend UTM from Lat/Lon?

Are seconds, minutes and degrees greek to you?

Do you use an unpowered GPS?


Thank you in advance.



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Bobsprit
 

The trick is to troll to see if you can do simple tasks like operate a tide
table or open the battery compartment of your GPS.

But you failed to find out anything beyond the fact that I'm too clever for
you.
My "skill level" is completely unknown to this group and that's the bottom
line.

RB

Bobsprit
 

CANDChelp wrote:
The trick is to troll to see if you can do simple tasks like operate
a tide table or open the battery compartment of your GPS.

But you failed to find out anything beyond the fact that I'm too
clever for you.
My "skill level" is completely unknown to this group and that's the
bottom line.

Rock.

Flat batteries.

Failure to buy new batteries on reaching land.



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Bobsprit
 

absolutely, unequivocately, completely unknown?

On 02 Sep 2003 15:53:22 GMT, (CANDChelp) wrote:

The trick is to troll to see if you can do simple tasks like operate a tide
table or open the battery compartment of your GPS.

But you failed to find out anything beyond the fact that I'm too clever for
you.
My "skill level" is completely unknown to this group and that's the bottom
line.

RB

Bobsprit
 

Rock.

Flat batteries.

Failure to buy new batteries on reaching land.

Plenty of sailors have run aground, most in fact. Forgetting something at home
that doesn't effect the voyage one bit is hardly a major failing.
We're cruising to Norwalk this weekend. Look for the pics!

RB

Bobsprit
 

Wally wrote:

Flat batteries.

Failure to buy new batteries on reaching land.

Oh, given the veritable festoonery of electronica aboard your vessel, you
*really* should have rechargables.


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Bobsprit
 

absolutely, unequivocately, completely unknown?

For the most part, yes!

RB

Bobsprit
 

CANDChelp wrote:
Rock.

Flat batteries.

Failure to buy new batteries on reaching land.

Plenty of sailors have run aground, most in fact. Forgetting
something at home that doesn't effect the voyage one bit is hardly a
major failing.

When the navigator is a learner, I would be tempted to dispute that.


We're cruising to Norwalk this weekend. Look for the pics!

Yeah! Channel 9! Groovy!


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Bobsprit
 

CANDChelp wrote:
absolutely, unequivocately, completely unknown?

For the most part, yes!

Unfortunately, the known part doesn't quite pass muster...

Rock.

Flat batteries.

Failure to buy new batteries on reaching land.

No battery charger amongst the vertiable festoonery of shipboard
electronica.


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Bobsprit
 

Plenty of sailors have run aground, most in fact. Forgetting
something at home that doesn't effect the voyage one bit is hardly a
major failing.

When the navigator is a learner, I would be tempted to dispute that.

Why, the GPS was not handled by her for the most part. And used in battery
conserve mode, operated for the whole trip. I set up a power cable for it last
week.

RB

Bobsprit
 

Oh, given the veritable festoonery of electronica aboard your vessel, you
*really* should have rechargables.

We do, and they work off the small inverter, which I have yet to install.

RB

Bobsprit
 

CANDChelp wrote:

When the navigator is a learner, I would be tempted to dispute that.

Why, the GPS was not handled by her for the most part. And used in
battery conserve mode, operated for the whole trip.

But you yourself admitted that leaving with weak batteries was a failing, as
was not purchasing fresh ones on reaching land. These aren't my criticisms,
but yours.


I set up a power
cable for it last week.

Which was at least a week after you should have.


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Bobsprit
 

Unfortunately, the known part doesn't quite pass muster...

Did you ever consider that that may be the point?

RB

Bobsprit
 

CANDChelp wrote:
Oh, given the veritable festoonery of electronica aboard your vessel,
you *really* should have rechargables.

We do, and they work off the small inverter, which I have yet to
install.

My inverter (for garage power) has two crocodile clips. It was very easy to
'install'.


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Bobsprit
 

CANDChelp wrote:
Unfortunately, the known part doesn't quite pass muster...

Did you ever consider that that may be the point?

Quite. However, without evidence to the contrary, one has no option but to
infer from the evidence that *is* available. In other words, until evidence
to the contrary is presented, your thus-far-evinced skills belie any
implication that you *are* skilled.

If you present yourself as unskilled, then unskilled you are. You are
welcome to demonstrate otherwise at your earliest convenience...


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Bobsprit
 

No battery charger amongst the vertiable festoonery of shipboard
electronica.

I got one of those shake-it-and-use-it flashlights!

RB

Bobsprit
 

CANDChelp wrote:
No battery charger amongst the vertiable festoonery of shipboard
electronica.

I got one of those shake-it-and-use-it flashlights!

Excellent! Can you 'install' it in your GPS?


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Bobsprit
 

My inverter (for garage power) has two crocodile clips. It was very easy to
'install'.

Mine was a aboard the boat, still in it's box and will be switched into the
boat's shore power system. It has a flush cutout and a dedicated double socket,
but they will be hidden. A flip of the switch will have the inverter replace
the shore power, but only enough to run a small TV or charge the laptop.

RB

Bobsprit
 

But you yourself admitted that leaving with weak batteries was a failing, as
was not purchasing fresh ones on reaching land. These aren't my criticisms,
but yours.

The failing was nothing more than an anoyance...didn't effect the trip at all.

RB

Bobsprit
 

Bobsprit wrote:
But you yourself admitted that leaving with weak batteries was a
failing, as was not purchasing fresh ones on reaching land. These
aren't my criticisms, but yours.

The failing was nothing more than an anoyance...didn't effect the
trip at all.

I didn't say that it affected the trip. But with a newbie navigator, I would
have thought that some sort of backup that was better than 'failing
batteries' would have been prudent. I seem to recall that you thought that
as well. Can you appreciate that there's a difference between 'preparation'
and 'hindsight'?


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Bobsprit
 

CANDChelp wrote:
My inverter (for garage power) has two crocodile clips. It was very
easy to 'install'.

Mine was a aboard the boat, still in it's box and will be switched
into the boat's shore power system. It has a flush cutout and a
dedicated double socket, but they will be hidden. A flip of the
switch will have the inverter replace the shore power, ...

Care to elucidate on the wiring for this? My garage setup has no mains
power, so it's just a battery in a box with the inverter strapped on top. (I
have two batteries and swap them around between garage and house, charging
the unused one at home.) My boat doesn't have any power at present, although
I'll probably want to add that somewhere down the line. Since the marina has
shore power, it would be good to have an idea of how things connect up.


... but only
enough to run a small TV or charge the laptop.

How about some NiMhs and a charger for the h/h GPS? Or do you reckon that TV
and (secondary?) DVD player should take precedence?


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Bobsprit
 

I didn't say that it affected the trip. But with a newbie navigator, I would
have thought that some sort of backup that was better than 'failing
batteries' would have been prudent.

We had a backup. They're called "paper charts." They don't need batteries, nor
does the 3 compasses we carry.
In any case we were able to use the GPS for the whole trip.

RB

Bobsprit
 

Can you appreciate that there's a difference between 'preparation'
and 'hindsight'?

I bought the batteries. Bagged them. They fell out in the car somehow. At Port
Jeff we simply both forgot. Still doesn't mean much as the unit was operational
for the trip.

RB

Bobsprit
 

Most sailors have taken bottom at some time, but whacking a rock is another thing
entirely. That the rock is charted, well marked, a mile from your slip, and your crew
warned you about it, makes it pretty pathetic.

The fact that you keep comparing this to the more mundane scraping of soft mud means that
you just don't get it. I think this gives us a good idea of your real life navigational
skills.

jeff - sailed for 45 years and never whacked a rock!



CANDChelp wrote:
Rock.

Flat batteries.

Failure to buy new batteries on reaching land.

Plenty of sailors have run aground, most in fact. Forgetting
something at home that doesn't effect the voyage one bit is hardly a
major failing.
We're cruising to Norwalk this weekend. Look for the pics!

RB

Bobsprit
 

"Wally" wrote in message

Can you appreciate that there's a difference between 'preparation'
| and 'hindsight'?

Let's face it... Bob thrives on hind sight only... and uses the vantage
point to alter his statements to suit his latest defensive stance. Odd how
he points at everyone and accuses them of being Liars..... and amusing how
he claims victory on such a lack of credibility.

CM

Bobsprit
 

Where will you be staying? Holiday Inn? Motel 6? The visitors dock
will not be available to you this weekend.

Suggestions? Is the boat show in town?

RB

Bobsprit
 

Bobsprit wrote:
I didn't say that it affected the trip. But with a newbie navigator,
I would have thought that some sort of backup that was better than
'failing batteries' would have been prudent.

We had a backup. They're called "paper charts." They don't need
batteries, nor does the 3 compasses we carry.

I thought the paper charts were your primary nav tools, and that the GPS was
the backup?


In any case we were able to use the GPS for the whole trip.

20-20.


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Bobsprit
 

Bobsprit wrote:
Can you appreciate that there's a difference between 'preparation'
and 'hindsight'?

I bought the batteries. Bagged them. They fell out in the car
somehow. At Port Jeff we simply both forgot. Still doesn't mean much
as the unit was operational for the trip.

10 out of 10 for hindsight, but minus several million for preparation.


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Bobsprit
 

means that
you just don't get it. I think this gives us a good idea of your real life
navigational
skills.

After 8 years, I strike a rock which is charted, because I misjudged my
distance from Potters Field. What's more is that I admit to making this silly
error.
Not only am I twice the sailor, but I'm twice the man of anyone here!

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

Bobsprit
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
We had a backup. They're called "paper charts."

Let's us have their numbers please?

Bwahahahahahah!

S.Simon - a Captain who knows a fraud when he sees one

Bobsprit
 

We had a backup. They're called "paper charts." They don't need
batteries, nor does the 3 compasses we carry.

I thought the paper charts were your primary nav tools, and that the GPS was
the backup?

Every nav tool is a backup for every other nav tool.
Keep trying!

RB

Bobsprit
 

as the unit was operational for the trip.

10 out of 10 for hindsight, but minus several million for preparation.

Well, if forgetting batteries is my biggest error, then I admit to it!

RB

Bobsprit
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

| We had a backup. They're called "paper charts." They don't need batteries,
nor
| does the 3 compasses we carry.

Unfortunately you have no idea how to utilize either the paper charts or the
compasses. You don't even know the variation for your area.... you couldn't
complete a simple deviation table, without which you compass is useless for
proper navigation let alone confirming fixes on your "line of sight" trip


| In any case we were able to use the GPS for the whole trip.

Yeah Bob... sure you were! Bwahahahahahahahaaa!! You claimed the whole trip
was done by line of sight with only "spot checks" on the GPS. You even
implied no chart work was done because of line of sight... now you are once
again reinventing the story.

It's amusing to watch how many changes you make to the original plot.

CM

Bobsprit
 

Let's us have their numbers please?

NOS numbers? I have the chart kit here. For which area?

RB

Bobsprit
 

Bobsprit wrote:

I thought the paper charts were your primary nav tools, and that the
GPS was the backup?

Every nav tool is a backup for every other nav tool.
Keep trying!

When you play Deep Purple records, do you have everything louder than
everything else?


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Bobsprit
 

Odd... you claimed a few days ago that you forgot to buy batteries... now
you say you did buy them but lost them?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaaaa!!!

CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Can you appreciate that there's a difference between 'preparation'
| and 'hindsight'?
|
| I bought the batteries. Bagged them. They fell out in the car somehow. At
Port
| Jeff we simply both forgot. Still doesn't mean much as the unit was
operational
| for the trip.
|
| RB