DSK wrote in message ...
"Capt.American" wrote:


Any Crealock makes a C&C look like junk.

Only if you have blinders one.

I guess you said bliners on. Not sooooo. Anyone can look at a quality
boat with beefy fittings and see that allthe Pacific seacraft crealock
designed boats far out class a C&C. Any blind person can knock on the
sides of both boats and understand that the Craelock thump like a
brick, and the C&C thump like a thin skinned drum.

You just need to get up the
guts to go where the Crealock are designed to go.

It doesn't take "guts," it takes either a maladapted personality or angry creditors.

Have to dis-agree with you Doug. From your other post I can see why
you might find ocean cruising not to your liking. I think anyone that
hasent been deep sea are the ones with maladapted personalitys. They
do not know what they are missing. I bet Bobspirt who claims to do
some star gazing has never seen a truly dark sky that allows you to
see the millions of stars. He's been smothered with city glare and
smog that blocks out 99.9% of the stars. I bet he's never been on a
swell a mile wide that does it's best to slowly and gently rock you to
sleep. I bet he's never seen the green flash that requires sea level
un-obstructed horizon and crystal clear sky. I bet he's never fought a
storm that he thought might win, or knows what its like to come out
the other side of one in one piece. Most maladapted personalitys are
developed by people that can not venture out and partake in the
unsure, the unknown with no guarrentys. Most maladapted personalitys
tend to stay in sight of land safe and sound.

Now angry creditors, guess that depends on haw angry they are.





Open Ocean, Blue
Water, out of the sight of land, you know that place where your C&C
would be beat to pieces.

Considering that lots of C&Cs have circumanvigated, you are obviously misinformed on this issue.

Plastic bathroom rubber ducks have circumvigated, but I would not want
be on board one.

Although I'll give you 1/4 credit for taunting Boobsie..

thanks!

Capt. American



DSK

"Capt.American" wrote:


I guess you said bliners on.

Yeh, 'blinders.' I guess two typos make a right?


Not sooooo. Anyone can look at a quality
boat with beefy fittings and see that allthe Pacific seacraft crealock
designed boats far out class a C&C.

Well, FWIW I have bilgecrawled a number of Pacific Seacraft boats, and some of them are the same
crapola that Hunter & Catalina etc etc pump out, only with a higher price tag.

BTW Crealock did not design all the Pacific Seacraft line. And he designed a number of swing keel
trailerables & fin keel racer-cruisers in his day. You seem to have gotten the idea that his name on
the sales brochure automatically bestows a boat with some sort of magic aura of invincibility. This is
a dangerous attitude, especially at sea. If you have really done the sailing you claim, you probably
already know this even if you don't want to hear it in public.


Any blind person can knock on the
sides of both boats and understand that the Craelock thump like a
brick, and the C&C thump like a thin skinned drum.

Which C&C? Every last one, including the new ones, that I have ever looked at was pretty well built.
Not an Oyster or Swan, but strongly & properly built.



You just need to get up the
guts to go where the Crealock are designed to go.

It doesn't take "guts," it takes either a maladapted personality or angry creditors.

Have to dis-agree with you Doug. From your other post I can see why
you might find ocean cruising not to your liking.

Actually, I am indifferent to crossing oceans in boats. It's boring, not my idea of fun. I like
sailing and enjoy visiting distant locations; sailing would be an OK way to get there. To sail across
an ocean just to sail across it is kinda dumb... but then so is climbing a mountain 'because it's
there'... under the right circumstances, either can be an honorable feat. Do you deliberately sail
through storms, too, just to prove how macho & tough you are?



I think anyone that
hasent been deep sea are the ones with maladapted personalitys.

Possibly. But to seek out long term solitude is by definition anti social. Since you've never
mentioned crew I assume you singlehand.


.... Most maladapted personalitys
tend to stay in sight of land safe and sound.

No, most maladapted personalities tend to be loners, and tend to insist they're right despite obvious
evidence to the contrary. Many are of fairly high intelligence yet have a hard time adapting to new
facts and new surroundings.

Does this remind you of somebody?

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Who are you responding to?

The Boobster of course.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

I won't post the name of the boat presently. I'm working out a deal with the
owner, who is buying a Cat.

Read: I don't want anyone to tell the owners that I will be putting stuff in
their food and will be screwing them when they are sick and have to sell.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

DSK wrote in message ...
"Capt.American" wrote:


I guess you said bliners on.

Yeh, 'blinders.' I guess two typos make a right?

fair enough


Not sooooo. Anyone can look at a quality
boat with beefy fittings and see that allthe Pacific seacraft crealock
designed boats far out class a C&C.

Well, FWIW I have bilgecrawled a number of Pacific Seacraft boats, and some of them are the same
crapola that Hunter & Catalina etc etc pump out, only with a higher price tag.

BTW Crealock did not design all the Pacific Seacraft line. And he designed a number of swing keel
trailerables & fin keel racer-cruisers in his day. You seem to have gotten the idea that his name on
the sales brochure automatically bestows a boat with some sort of magic aura of invincibility. This is
a dangerous attitude, especially at sea. If you have really done the sailing you claim, you probably
already know this even if you don't want to hear it in public.

If you read my post I never said Crealock designed all P.S.C., I said
the crealock designed psc's.




Any blind person can knock on the
sides of both boats and understand that the Craelock thump like a
brick, and the C&C thump like a thin skinned drum.

Which C&C? Every last one, including the new ones, that I have ever looked at was pretty well built.
Not an Oyster or Swan, but strongly & properly built.

Shhhhhhhhh. Bobsie might hear. BTW there is a C&C on ebay at 850
dollars last time I looked.




You just need to get up the
guts to go where the Crealock are designed to go.

It doesn't take "guts," it takes either a maladapted personality or angry creditors.

Have to dis-agree with you Doug. From your other post I can see why
you might find ocean cruising not to your liking.

Actually, I am indifferent to crossing oceans in boats. It's boring, not my idea of fun. I like
sailing and enjoy visiting distant locations; sailing would be an OK way to get there. To sail across
an ocean just to sail across it is kinda dumb... but then so is climbing a mountain 'because it's
there'... under the right circumstances, either can be an honorable feat. Do you deliberately sail
through storms, too, just to prove how macho & tough you are?

No. But if you are going to be on any voyage of over a month you are
most likely going to encounter a storm or 2. Infact I wished Id
listened to you a little more when you warned of those pacific highs,
I ran a great circle course from Seattle to Ohau, when I shold of
traveled a week south before turning west.




I think anyone that
hasent been deep sea are the ones with maladapted personalitys.

Possibly. But to seek out long term solitude is by definition anti social. Since you've never
mentioned crew I assume you singlehand.

Yes I did, but Im far from anti social. I planned to have a friend
sail with me to Alcapulco, but with the hurricane season building and
not getting out of here until the 23 -Sept 1st Im going to have her
fly there. She will go thru the canal with me and cross the gulf.



.... Most maladapted personalitys
tend to stay in sight of land safe and sound.

No, most maladapted personalities tend to be loners, and tend to insist they're right despite obvious
evidence to the contrary. Many are of fairly high intelligence yet have a hard time adapting to new
facts and new surroundings.


I dont accept that.


Does this remind you of somebody?


CA

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"Capt.American" wrote:

Shhhhhhhhh. Bobsie might hear. BTW there is a C&C on ebay at 850
dollars last time I looked.

Yep... prob'ly worth every penny of it, too!


... But if you are going to be on any voyage of over a month you are
most likely going to encounter a storm or 2.

Well, that depends on a couple things: where & when you go, and what your definition of "storm" is.
Personally I have encountered relatively few episodes of bad weather at sea, and of those the most
troublesome thing about it was getting water down below and having a hard time drying out. Then there have
been a couple of times I have seen truly hair-raising storms. For the worst of them, fortunately I was in
one of Uncle Sam's big gray cruise liners, and came away convinced that no small sailboat could live under
these circumstances.



Infact I wished Id
listened to you a little more when you warned of those pacific highs,
I ran a great circle course from Seattle to Ohau, when I shold of
traveled a week south before turning west.

Honestly, the only reason I know about this is from reading about it. Long ago one of my dad's friends was
bringing a race boat back from the TransPac and had the ill grace to shoot an albatross with a .22 after
more than a week of drifting aimlessly.



..... with the hurricane season building and
not getting out of here until the 23 -Sept 1st Im going to have her
fly there. She will go thru the canal with me and cross the gulf.

Ah so, you are coming to the East Coast or just the Caribbean? They're saying ugly things about the Panama
Canal lately, please keep us posted what you encounter.



..... most maladapted personalities tend to be loners, and tend to insist they're right despite obvious
evidence to the contrary. Many are of fairly high intelligence yet have a hard time adapting to new
facts and new surroundings.

I dont accept that.

Now *that* was funny.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King