Alien Sail
 

I'm glad to hear that. Learning it and doing it are two very different things.
You keep
sounding like my 7-year old "I don't need to practice - I already know how!"


Ummmm...a pic of a covered compass in known waters doesn't indicate she doesn't
practice.
Your 7 year old is obviously pretty stupid.

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

Alien Sail
 

As I've said, I don't always have a chart on deck in the inner harbor - 3 or 4 miles. And
I can do a fair job of drawing a pilot's chart for the outer harbor from memory - as I'm
sure you could for your home waters.

I keep remembering an incident about 12 years ago in Boston: a club boat, a Soling, was in
the outer harbor in the Fall I think, and ran aground on a spit that uncovers at half
tide - Brewster Spit, for those that know the harbor. They ended up dying of exposure
that night. It turned out they did not have a chart with them.




"Cappy Kicker" Cappy_kicked_all_over_ ASA wrote in message
...
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:05:27 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote:

No. Oz is afraid to use them because they might go yellow on him!

Hell, they'd be worn out in 6 months if I used em every time I cast
off fot a daysail around waters I've been sailing for 45 years!!


"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...
Good God! Don't tell me you still use paper charts in Oz? Well no wonder!

Paper charts don't work anymore? They don't make batteries for them?

RB




Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Alien Sail
 

use it when its needed, and its rather unlikely you'll ever go anywhere that
its needed.

Yeah...we don't ever have "weather" here in NY. We depend on lunar winds.

Bwahahahaha! Jeff, you idiot!

RB

Alien Sail
 

after which you have a cover waiting for
someone to sit on it, then you might as well leave the cover off (unless
you are on a long distance cruise).

Ahhh, the dangers of the unstowed compass cover!!! 2nd only to A4 explosions
and Dolphin attacks!

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

Alien Sail
 

I've sailed these waters for 45 years plus. If I couldn't 'guess'
within 5 degrees I'd be ****ed off.

Damn! I oinly have 8 years over here. I guess I should ADD a compass!!!

Bwahahaha!!!

RB

Alien Sail
 

I can't wait for the report on boobie's first RAC.


"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...
use it when its needed, and its rather unlikely you'll ever go anywhere that
its needed.

Yeah...we don't ever have "weather" here in NY. We depend on lunar winds.

Bwahahahaha! Jeff, you idiot!

RB

Alien Sail
 

Check your charts, Bob. Hell Gate, at Hallets Point IS a current
swept blind corner.

NOT when we go through. We go at slack, so there's no "sweeping."

RB

Alien Sail
 

The Brothers is another blind spot

How's that? Clear line of sight to the gate.

RB

Alien Sail
 

Doesn't count - it may be better than nothing when you really need it, but how do you
adjust it? BTW, my first radar had remote control, so I could actually use it that way.
It was mounted in the bulkhead behind a hatch, so it was effectively in the cockpit though
weather protected. Yours may be visible by someone on the opposite side of the cockpit,
but it certainly isn't usable by the helmsman.

And while Oz may have a point that it doesn't take constant practice to master a compass,
radar is not something you can learn by playing with it a couple of times. If you had a
new radar, it would at least be self adjusting, but without practice you'll never get a
usable image.

Face it, its a neat toy you'll never master. But it may increase the value of the boat.



"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...
It really doesn't matter in your case - you moved the radar below so you can't
actually
use it when its needed

It's clearly visible from the cockpit and I rarely sail alone anyway.

Next?

RB

Alien Sail
 

Yours may be visible by someone on the opposite side of the cockpit,
but it certainly isn't usable by the helmsman.

It's visible if you sit on the port side of the helm, but it was set below with
the idea that a 2nd person would use it.
As I said, I rarely sail alone these days.

RB

Alien Sail
 

"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...

You're right. You, Ganz and Neal may targets of yourselves that even Ozzy
can't
resist poking at you!

You've a new hero, huh?



Regards


Donal
--

Alien Sail
 

"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...
Bobsprit isn't likely to get sun damage wilth the amount of sailing that
he
does. If we believe everything that he says, then he is only doing 400
hours a year, in the NY area. This is far less exposure than a cruiser
will get in a single Atlantic crossing.

After physical damage to an uncovered compass is pointed out, Donal
fixates on
the UV issue.
Don't mistreat gear just because you think it can take it and that
includes sun
damage.


Your compass has suffered physical damage?? Why not tell us about it?


Regards

Donal
---

Alien Sail
 

Don't your regs require flares on all boats?
If not prudence would carry them.

Even on the 18.5 foot Typhoon we carried flares and a VHF.A cell phone is a
great idea as well and any daysailor should have these.

RB

Alien Sail
 

"The Cappys Master" Cappy kneels for Ozzies wrote in message
...
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:43:20 +0100, "Donal"
wrote:
Donal, I really don't give a rats arse.
If you are incapable of sailing without refering to the compass
constantly even when in your home waters, and cannot flip up the cover
on a compass without losing control of the boat, maybe you should
invest in two compasses. One for each side.

Let me get this straight.

I should keep the compass covered to protect it, otherwise it won't be very
long before I have to buy another.

You are now saying that I should buy another compass so that my first
compass will last longer!


Oz, You're nuts!


Regards


Donal
--

Alien Sail
 

"The Cappys Master" Cappy kneels wrote in message
...
Don't your regs require flares on all boats?
If not prudence would carry them.


The minimum that is required for daytime use is an orange flag. I would agree that
prudence dictates having flares ... but where do you draw the line? Do you need flares at
a closely supervised dinghy regatta? Do you put them in club boats in the inner harbor?
These boats are normally used for training and racing and are hardly ever out of sight of
the dock.

In this particular case I was surprised that they went "outside" late in the season
without charts or flares. Nowadays, I'd insist on a radio/cell phone.

Alien Sail
 

In this particular case I was surprised that they went "outside" late in the
season
without charts or flares.

These people died in an open boat in ONE night? What were the conditions? How
small was the boat?

RB

Alien Sail
 

Your compass has suffered physical damage?? Why not tell us about it?

Can't you READ posts? I already posted about my friends Catalina and the
compass killed by a winch handle.
Catch up before retreading day old stuff.

RB

Alien Sail
 

You're right. You, Ganz and Neal may targets of yourselves that even Ozzy
can't
resist poking at you!

You've a new hero, huh?

Yeah...and it's you!
Donal AKA "Target Man"

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB

Alien Sail
 

The boat was a Soling. The spot was Brewster Spit, though I'm not sure how close to the
island it was. Somewhere north of "kelp ledges" on the chart. IIRC it was October,
maybe 91 or 92. I believe they stayed with the boat and it was an unseasonably cold,
nasty night.

http://www.sv-loki.com/brewster.jpg

"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...
In this particular case I was surprised that they went "outside" late in the
season
without charts or flares.

These people died in an open boat in ONE night? What were the conditions? How
small was the boat?

RB

Alien Sail
 

Thanks Jeff. I am not trying to initiate one of these semantics
debates...I am just trying to understand the rules. I thought this
was a Rule 5 issue: "Look Out"

"Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight
and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the
prevailing circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal
of the situation and of the risk of collision."

To me, that would read that the use of the radar is required if the
prevailing circumstances and conditions make the use of the radar
appropriate and prudent. In other words it would only be required if
the failure to use the radar would create a heightened risk of
collision. At some distant point in time, I seem to recall that *if*
a radar is on, there must be a proper watch, but I didn't think it was
required to be used unless the "prevailing circumstances and
conditions" dictated it's use.

I am just trying to understand the rules. I enjoy these rules debates
as they actually provide an opportunity to learn something:)




On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 07:16:56 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote:

This is a grey area - you won't get a straight answer from the CG on this.

The measure for whether the radar is required to be used is that if you have an accident
that could have been prevented by radar, you should have used it.

The actual rule does not say "on", it says "operational":

(b) Proper use shall be made of radar equipment if fitted and operational,
including long-range scanning to obtain early warning of risk
of collision and radar plotting or equivalent systematic observation of
detected objects.



"felton" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 15:26:59 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:


"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...
Gosh, I've sailed NY harbor probably 50 times or more on plenty of boats. Among
them, the 70 foot yawl, The Petrel and the Clearwater twice. Never had the
radio on. But then I know where to sail and how to stay out of the way. Once we
got tooted at by a huge Celebrity ship...but we did that on purpose!


You are a danger to all shipping public and private with your
stupid insistence of sailing blind, deaf and dumb. I suppose you
don't operate your radar either on nice days?

Did you know that if you have operational radar you are
required to use it at all times when underway? No, I
don't suppose you did know it. You are a joke.

Cappy...a point of clarification if you please. I was under the
impression that radar was required dependant upon the prevailing
circumstances and conditions. In other words, in poor visibility or
if the risk of collision exists. It was my understanding that if the
radar is turned on, a proper radar watch is required, but that the
radar is not required to be turned on and monitored "at all times when
underway." Is my understanding in error?

Alien Sail
 

Thom,

There is such a thing as the dark of night. There are rain squalls where
visibility goes to zero. I refer to my compass during the day even in
my Boston Whaler and have memorized the compass course from
one point to another in broad daylight so I can find my way in
restricted visibility. I now know why so many people manage to
get lost and have to call for help from Sea Tow when it gets
dark. All their precious landmarks disappear. Their GPS batteries
go south, etc.

Only a fool ignores his compass and keeps it covered even in
familiar waters. There is always a bearing to take there is always
a course line to memorize. There is always a range to get a heading
on.

Get with the program you cranky old fart!

S.Simon


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ...
Practice makes perfect

Good Lord Neal! Lift your head up and enjoy the world when you can. A
sail across the Harbor, a harbor you know as well as the back of your
hand. That's all it should be. A SAIL ACROSS THE HARBOR. A joy of a
carefree sail.

Don't tell me you set up a plot sheet, check the tide sheets, get a
global weather forecast, etc to run your "Whaler" to spend an hour at
the Pub to have a beer? Give me a break.

Are you still in the process of practicing using your, CEDAR BUCKET? Do
you keep a log? Do you record how you take it out to make it available,
Record the compass heading as you sit there? Write down how many grunts
you grunted and the time recorded. I don't THIIINNNKK so.
Some things. a lot of things don't require constant practice. Not by
normal people

Go ahead and make up a stupid reply to my stupid, but true post---and in
closing I'd like to say; UP YOURS!!!

Ole Thom

Alien Sail
 

Can't you READ posts? I already posted about my friends Catalina and the
compass killed by a winch handle.

You said that the cover probably didn't make any difference!

Donal lies and lies. I said I wasn't sure the cover would stop the handle.
Obviously the cover wouldn't have hurt.

You're busted again and caught in lie again!

RB

Alien Sail
 

An interesting day.

RB claims he's afraid to use a 20 year old compass because it might wear out or get hit by
a winch handle.

Neal insists he is not competent enough to sail his boat at any reduced speed.




"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...
Can't you READ posts? I already posted about my friends Catalina and the
compass killed by a winch handle.

You said that the cover probably didn't make any difference!

Donal lies and lies. I said I wasn't sure the cover would stop the handle.
Obviously the cover wouldn't have hurt.

You're busted again and caught in lie again!

RB

Alien Sail
 

It's clearly visible from the cockpit and I rarely sail alone anyway.

That thing is visible from another boat!


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Alien Sail
 

Oh crap, I left my steering wheel on. You never know when some klutz
,carrying a sledge hammer, might fall off the dock into my boat and bend my
wheel.

Now I am worried.

--
Scott Vernon
Plowville PA __/)__/)__


"Donal" wrote in message
...

"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...
Your compass has suffered physical damage?? Why not tell us about
it?

Can't you READ posts? I already posted about my friends Catalina and the
compass killed by a winch handle.

You said that the cover probably didn't make any difference!

Can't you remember what you've written?

Regards


Donal
--

Alien Sail
 

Wonder if boobs changed lipstick after kissing Moorons' ass and moving on to
Ozzys'?

SV

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...

You're right. You, Ganz and Neal may targets of yourselves that even
Ozzy
can't
resist poking at you!

You've a new hero, huh?



Regards


Donal
--

Alien Sail
 

Last week it was so hazy (humid) that you couldn't see land from the middle
of the bay.

Scotty

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Thom,

There is such a thing as the dark of night. There are rain squalls where
visibility goes to zero. I refer to my compass during the day even in
my Boston Whaler and have memorized the compass course from
one point to another in broad daylight so I can find my way in
restricted visibility. I now know why so many people manage to
get lost and have to call for help from Sea Tow when it gets
dark. All their precious landmarks disappear. Their GPS batteries
go south, etc.

Only a fool ignores his compass and keeps it covered even in
familiar waters. There is always a bearing to take there is always
a course line to memorize. There is always a range to get a heading
on.

Get with the program you cranky old fart!

S.Simon


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Practice makes perfect

Good Lord Neal! Lift your head up and enjoy the world when you can. A
sail across the Harbor, a harbor you know as well as the back of your
hand. That's all it should be. A SAIL ACROSS THE HARBOR. A joy of a
carefree sail.

Don't tell me you set up a plot sheet, check the tide sheets, get a
global weather forecast, etc to run your "Whaler" to spend an hour at
the Pub to have a beer? Give me a break.

Are you still in the process of practicing using your, CEDAR BUCKET? Do
you keep a log? Do you record how you take it out to make it available,
Record the compass heading as you sit there? Write down how many grunts
you grunted and the time recorded. I don't THIIINNNKK so.
Some things. a lot of things don't require constant practice. Not by
normal people

Go ahead and make up a stupid reply to my stupid, but true post---and in
closing I'd like to say; UP YOURS!!!

Ole Thom

Alien Sail
 

Jon,

They are both beautiful Bridges. Truly. I'm glad I don't have to judge
them

They are both "Gateways" to great oceans, were sailors dreams come true.

Let's "DRINK TO THAT!"

Ole Thom

Alien Sail
 

"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...
Let me get this straight.

I should keep the compass covered to protect it, otherwise it won't be
very
long before I have to buy another.

Nobody said that. Your uncovered compass may last many years, but covered
(when
not in use) it will last longer. Why not go for the "longer" option? It
takes
1/4th a second to remove a cover.

NOT when you are sailing downwind in a boat with a 7 foot cockpit, and the
full width travellor is between you and the bulkhead mounted compass.

Once again, you have demonstrated that you are a complete fraud.

It's lucky that you are really thick-skinned. Most people couldn't cope
with the humiliation that you heap upon yourself daily.

Regards


Donal
--

Alien Sail
 

RB,

I think you need to get the Coast Guard to get those Day Sailor out of
the Harbor. There are many ASA sailor identifying them as Hazards to Nav
do to lack of proper instrumemtation

OT

Alien Sail
 

NOT when you are sailing downwind in a boat with a 7 foot cockpit, and the
full width travellor is between you and the bulkhead mounted compass.

Oh, well that doesn't apply to a properly designed cruising boats like Alien.
The compass in front and center.

RB

Alien Sail
 

Once again, you have demonstrated that you are a complete fraud.

How so? Where are your pics?

RB

Alien Sail
 

RB claims he's afraid to use a 20 year old compass because it might wear out or
get hit by
a winch handle.

My compass was NIB. She came with two Globemasters.

RB

Alien Sail
 

Wonder if boobs changed lipstick after kissing Moorons' ass and moving on to
Ozzys'?

Poor Scotty hates it when the tide flows the wrong way!

Bwahahaha! You fraud!

RB

Alien Sail
 

"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...
NOT when you are sailing downwind in a boat with a 7 foot cockpit, and the
full width travellor is between you and the bulkhead mounted compass.

Oh, well that doesn't apply to a properly designed cruising boats like
Alien.
The compass in front and center.

Properly designed cruising boat! Splutter!
I've just looked at your web site!

It's no wonder that you've no idea what I'm talking about. You don't have a
proper travellor at all. That puny arrangement isn't even as good as a
modern Hunter!!!


Regards


Donal
--

Alien Sail
 

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Oh crap, I left my steering wheel on. You never know when some klutz
,carrying a sledge hammer, might fall off the dock into my boat and bend
my
wheel.

Now I am worried.

No need to worry. The sun will have eaten through your mooring lines, and
your boat will have drifted off somewhere.

That's why I never tie my boat up, I like to protect my moring lines!


Regards

Donal
--

Alien Sail
 

No lies, booby. Here's several places where Neal claims he is unable to reduce speed.
Note that he has insisted that this applies to any sailboat, including those going at hull
speed or higher. It sure looks to me like Neal doesn't know how to handle a sailboat.
Further, while he talks about "safe speed" which is always required, he ignores rule 19e
which requires him to "reduce speed to minimum" - that is minimum steerageway. He is
claiming this is impossible.


"A sailboat navigating in a fog cannot, like a motorboat, choose
her speed. A sailboat is at the mercy of wind direction and wind
speed which is most often low or non-existent in a fog. Any rule
that requires a sailboat do take an action she cannot take is not
a rule intended to apply to the sailboat."

" ... sailboats already proceeding at slow
and safe speeds somehow being required to go even slower
to the point where they cannot maneuver with any kind of
efficiency. You even want sailboats to stop when I have
demonstrated this is often not even possible. "

"I already told you about a billion times that a sailboat
already is operating at a safe speed. Reducing speed
to a safe speed when one is already operating at a safe
speed is not possible."

"How do you expect
a sailboat to stop her foward progress? Does your
sailboat have brakes or something? "




"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...
Neal insists he is not competent enough to sail his boat at any reduced
speed.

Another lie. Neal never indicated anything of the sort.

RB

Alien Sail
 

Thanks for not letting Jeff get away with it.

He lost the COLREGS arguments so now
he has resorted to name-calling.

"CANDChelp" wrote in message ...
Neal insists he is not competent enough to sail his boat at any reduced
speed.

Another lie. Neal never indicated anything of the sort.

RB

Alien Sail
 

Jeff gives up on discussing the COLREGS with me and
now thinks the grass will be greener picking on Bobsprit.

Ha aha hh ah ah a hah ha h a! Loser!


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
No lies, booby. Here's several places where Neal claims he is unable to reduce speed.
Note that he has insisted that this applies to any sailboat, including those going at hull
speed or higher. It sure looks to me like Neal doesn't know how to handle a sailboat.
Further, while he talks about "safe speed" which is always required, he ignores rule 19e
which requires him to "reduce speed to minimum" - that is minimum steerageway. He is
claiming this is impossible.


"A sailboat navigating in a fog cannot, like a motorboat, choose
her speed. A sailboat is at the mercy of wind direction and wind
speed which is most often low or non-existent in a fog. Any rule
that requires a sailboat do take an action she cannot take is not
a rule intended to apply to the sailboat."

" ... sailboats already proceeding at slow
and safe speeds somehow being required to go even slower
to the point where they cannot maneuver with any kind of
efficiency. You even want sailboats to stop when I have
demonstrated this is often not even possible. "

"I already told you about a billion times that a sailboat
already is operating at a safe speed. Reducing speed
to a safe speed when one is already operating at a safe
speed is not possible."

"How do you expect
a sailboat to stop her foward progress? Does your
sailboat have brakes or something? "




"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...
Neal insists he is not competent enough to sail his boat at any reduced
speed.

Another lie. Neal never indicated anything of the sort.

RB

Alien Sail
 

You never know when some klutz
,carrying a sledge hammer, might fall off the dock into my boat and bend my
wheel.

Why don't you get one of those big ass extra long boarding ladders. I heard
they prevent that kind of thing from happening.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport