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"Oz1" Cappy_killfiled_me_in_asa_What_a_wimp wrote in message
... On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 16:48:41 -0400, "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote: The issue is not whether you have the instrument available when you need it; its whether you know how to use it. It its not a matter of turning it on; its knowing a variety of techniques and instinctively choosing the best. But this is clearly lost on booby. Ohh here we go, the Jocks tactic, alter the subject sklightly and you might stand a chance of winning a point. Actually, this was the only point I was interested in. Fact is, if you know how to use a compass , it's not necessary to practice the use every time you go out. Nothing is necessary. But I try to do at least one piloting exercise whenever I go out. Nothing fancy - it might only be a few seconds to look at a bearing - but I never know what it will be. Further, novice helmsmen should learn how to follow a compass use, as well as heading or an object, or tracking the wind. This should be reinforced whenever possible. Do you practice emergency stops and handbrake turns every time you get in your car...just in case? No, but every Winter I play around a bit ... Do you pull out a chart of your local bay when you go into the fuel dock? My slip is on the fuel dock. Although I don't need the chart in the inner harbor - there are no hazards and few navaids - I usually have a chart on deck. I always have one if I go further. Nope, because it would cause excessive wear just as uncovering yur compass when it's definately not required to navigate will expose it to fading, yellowing and risk of physical damage. Good God! Don't tell me you still use paper charts in Oz? Well no wonder! BTW when I'm sailing in unfamiliar awters I always uncover the compass before weighing anchor and have a chart for the area at hand. I'm glad to hear it! I find the momentary disoreintation in a new place to be most annoying. I try to stay sharp by practising in more familiar environments. Also, it fun to be looking for new things in a harbor I've sailed in for 25 years. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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You are arguing about the replacement cost of a globe for a Ritchie
SP5 Globemaster. normal lifespan before showing UV damage is at least ten years and you can have the globe replaced on City Island for $50.00 Where is this? My friend's globemaster from his Galaxy is shot from sun and wear. They quoted him 200.00 for a rebuild, which seemed high. RB |
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Jon, passage makers usually open the compass to check a heading then
slide the cover back on to protect a valuable tool. To leave it exposed moore than necessary is foolish. My friend always removed his compass cover, even for daysails. I guess he thought it looked cool until he lost his balance and put the winch handle through it. Oh well. Maybe the cover wouldn't have stopped the handle anyway. RB |
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You are arguing about the replacement cost of a globe for a Ritchie
SP5 Globemaster. normal lifespan before showing UV damage is at least ten years It's far longer than 10 years if you cover it when not in use. I've seen discolored cards and yellowed plastic on some. I'll keep mine covered when not in use, thank you. I feel confident that Suzanne and I can get the cover off if a "sudden" fog drops on us. RB |
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Your instruments should be available for immediate use at all times.
Bwahahahaha! You mean the cover might slow down use of the compass? Is your cover attached with a complex magnetic lock? Is it welded down, requiring a torch to access the compass? Is the cover covered with some type of Arrow Frog poison requiring special gloves to remove? You're right, Donal! I can't possibly risk the 1/4 second to remove that cover!!! Bwahahahahahaha! RB |
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I even had my GPS switched on - mainly because my log was clogged up!
Good lord. 1st the pinhead says all instruments should be available, then he admits that some of is weren't working at all!! It's almost too sad to Bwahahahah at. Bwahahahahah anyway! RB |
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"Oz1" Cappy_killfiled_me_in_asa_What_a_wimp wrote in message ... Jon, passage makers usually open the compass to check a heading then slide the cover back on to protect a valuable tool. To leave it exposed moore than necessary is foolish. Oz, we are talking about Bobsprit here. Passagemaking doesn't feature in this discussion. Regards Donal -- |
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You've suggested that you don't need any instruments when you know the area?
Do you only use well marked channels? Nope. I've only suggested that a sailor can cover and protect his instruments when he's aware of the waters he's in. If you want yours "out" so be it. It's your stuff and your money. Donal, you appear to have entered the room with egg-on-face. Good job! RB |
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Ohh here we go, the Jocks tactic, alter the subject sklightly and you might stand a chance of winning a point. Actually, this was the only point I was interested in. But it was not the point at hand. Why not start a new thread? You've been busted badly in this one. RB |
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Nothing is necessary. But I try to do at least one piloting exercise whenever
I go out. Goody goody for you! We practiced MOB last week, did you? We also played softball, did you? Did you see T3 yet? You're not even clever about changing the thread. It's pathetic. RB |
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My slip is on the fuel dock.
Ah ha! The fumes are to blame! RB |
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I find the momentary disoreintation in a new place to be most
annoying. I try to stay sharp by practising in more familiar environments. Also, it fun to be looking for new things in a harbor I've sailed in for 25 years. Good christ. RB |
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"CANDChelp" wrote in message ... I even had my GPS switched on - mainly because my log was clogged up! Good lord. 1st the pinhead says all instruments should be available, then he admits that some of is weren't working at all!! It's almost too sad to Bwahahahah at. Bwahahahahah anyway! You're getting way too easy Bob! Regards Donal -- |
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It's almost too sad to Bwahahahah at.
Bwahahahahah anyway! You're getting way too easy Bob! You're right. You, Ganz and Neal may targets of yourselves that even Ozzy can't resist poking at you! RB |
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"CANDChelp" wrote in message ... that even Ozzy can't resist poking at you! Who? |
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that even Ozzy can't
resist poking at you! Who? Soupy the sockpuppet. RB |
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pedantic
Good word. RB |
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I've never gone through without at least a few little chats. And if nothing else, its
nice to know what's going to happen in a few minutes. "Marc" wrote in message ... Are you telling us that you made the run through Hellgate without monitoring 9, 13, and 16? Are you telling us that you made no securite call at the throgs neck, brothers, or the gate, announcing your vessel, route and destination? Are you telling us you were not in communication with the large commercial traffic with whom you were sharing the water.? If so,you are reckless, but not alone. When I hail a tug driver and discuss intentions, I actually get thanked for getting on the radio. On 28 Jul 2003 18:31:57 GMT, (CANDChelp) wrote: And the radio! Did you really mean to say that went through the busiest harbor in the country without turning on the radio? Not too swift there, booby. Yup!!! No need to monitor the radio 24/7 either. Few boats do. RB |
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You should, assuming you sail in anything other than a totally benign environment. This
doesn't plotting courses and working running fixes, but it should mean having a fair guess of your compass course. BTW, How many people here have done a running fix in the last year? In their life? Know what it is? "CANDChelp" wrote in message ... practice in daylight, how do you know how to do it in the haze? Sure but practice every time? According to Neal and Ganz you should ALWAYS be piloting! RB |
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"Oz1" Cappy_killfiled_me_in_asa_What_a_wimp wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 19:05:09 -0400, "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote: Passagemakers? You mean people who are using autopilots to hold a course? Nope, I mean people hand steering and using vanes...you know the ones who actually know what they're doing. Forgive me for being skeptical - hand steering on a long passage and not using a compass? Are you saying the CA sat on the tiller for 31 days? Not that its that important - the standards for crosstrack are a bit different offshore. Assuming its compass based, the traditional compass is the backup. In that case yes. It's uncovered, checked and covered again...Right? Also, there isn't much piloting to practice while on passage. Really, no DR, no plotting? DR isn't piloting. Sorry, I was using the term precisely. Piloting is specifically in sight of land. The compass has a purpose offshore, but it doesn't need constant or immediate attention. In piloting, however, there are many uses of a compass, and the need may be immediate. -- -jeff "Constant Vigilance!" - Frances W. Wright |
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Running fix...... 4 times this year... all instruction to crew and as an
exercise for myself. That's very basic stuff Jeff. CM "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message | BTW, How many people here have done a running fix in the last year? In their life? Know | what it is? |
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Now you're the thread cop!! What's next, complaining about top posting??
So what was the point at hand? "CANDChelp" wrote in message ... Ohh here we go, the Jocks tactic, alter the subject sklightly and you might stand a chance of winning a point. Actually, this was the only point I was interested in. But it was not the point at hand. Why not start a new thread? You've been busted badly in this one. RB |
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No. Oz is afraid to use them because they might go yellow on him!
"CANDChelp" wrote in message ... Good God! Don't tell me you still use paper charts in Oz? Well no wonder! Paper charts don't work anymore? They don't make batteries for them? RB |
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A question for you "RULE JERKERS"
Is it wise to obey that stupid radar rule and drain your battaries on a clear day for a ten mile sail or must you run your engines to charge batteries and take all this ASA **** about motorsailing? **** stinks the same even if it has a dumd rule that backs it. And by God; "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!" Cripes Nutsy can you stand me being on your side this much? Looks like "Pneuma" bottom will be completed this week and I won't be Landlocked anymore. I hope so. Crabs are running, so are shrimp. I should be out there! Ole Thom |
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"Cappy Kicker" Cappy_kicked_all_over_ ASA wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 19:28:53 -0400, "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote: Actually, this was the only point I was interested in. Fact is, if you know how to use a compass , it's not necessary to practice the use every time you go out. Nothing is necessary. Actually you are incorrect! It is necessary to practice but not every time. There are times I practice by not using the GPS for a 30 mile sail down the coast, working out the courses, and seeing how well it works out. But other times its as simple as noting that a heading I read on the chart lines up properly with a bearing from the compass. If the compass were covered, I'd never do it. Now this may seem like a trivial thing, but how many novices (i.e.girl friends, guest, and RB) can do this without thinking? But I try to do at least one piloting exercise whenever I go out. Nothing fancy - it might only be a few seconds to look at a bearing - but I never know what it will be. Further, novice helmsmen should learn how to follow a compass use, as well as heading or an object, or tracking the wind. This should be reinforced whenever possible. OK if that suits you, but what's wrong with sliding the cover down when you're not using the compass? Why do something that makes you less effective, and discourages practice? Do you practice emergency stops and handbrake turns every time you get in your car...just in case? No, but every Winter I play around a bit ... But not every time! Same same, the compass is not required every time so keep it covered, safe from the sun or scratching. Do your cats use the compass as a scrarching post? I would think you log and sounder are at the same risk. Do you pull out a chart of your local bay when you go into the fuel dock? My slip is on the fuel dock. Although I don't need the chart in the inner harbor - there are no hazards and few navaids - I usually have a chart on deck. I always have one if I go further. Nope, because it would cause excessive wear just as uncovering yur compass when it's definately not required to navigate will expose it to fading, yellowing and risk of physical damage. Good God! Don't tell me you still use paper charts in Oz? Well no wonder! Umm yeah, and Ozi Explorer You don't have paper charts onboard? Of course I do. But the paper charts stay below. For my home waters (everything within about 80 miles, Cape Ann to Cape Cod) I have a waterproof, virtually indestructable chartkit. Cost me about $40. I have another for south of Cape Cod. When I traveled the East Coast I had full paper charts that stayed below, and compact versions for the cockpit. Plus a mess of software that I didn't use much. BTW when I'm sailing in unfamiliar awters I always uncover the compass before weighing anchor and have a chart for the area at hand. I'm glad to hear it! I find the momentary disoreintation in a new place to be most annoying. I try to stay sharp by practising in more familiar environments. Also, it fun to be looking for new things in a harbor I've sailed in for 25 years. Yah won't see anything if your eyes are glued to a compass! Glued? Quite the opposite. The point is to be able ot use the compass quickly and get it right. As opposed to spending a lot of time to screw it up! Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Capt. Edward C. Sadler 165 Scholfield St., Bronx, NY 10464 United States Map & Driving Directions Phone: (718) 885-1565 Thanks! I'll forward that to him. RB |
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July 19, 2003, 4:18 PM securite, securite, securite, this is the S/V Eventide, motoring past lawrence point, westbound for the gate. July 19, 2003, 4:20 PM securite , securite, securite, this is the Bouchard Bros. pushing a heavy approaching Mill Rock, east bound through the gate. July 19, 2003 4:30 PM Bouchard Bros, Bouchard Bros, This is Eventide, I have you in sight, I am the sailboat on your port bow. what do you want cap, 1 or 2? July 19, 2003 4;30 PM see you on 1 cap, thanks for asking. I passed a large tug and very large fuel barge, aggregate length of over 200 feet directly under the Triboro Bridge two hours into the ebb at 10 kn ground speed. Prior to that, I had detoured around the Brothers due to a fuel barge coming up channel between them as a result of radio communications. Subsequent to Bouchard Bros,I passed a Circle Line tour boat and a DEP sludge boat in the restricted channel between 72nd and 53rd street and a tug and tow in Butter Milk channel. all contacted on radio with confirmed passing instructions. You can pattern your behaviour on whom ever you want, Bob. but I assure you, the Clearwater and the Petral would get on the horn if they were approaching a current swept blind corner. On 28 Jul 2003 23:28:00 GMT, (CANDChelp) wrote: Nope, and no one I know does this either. Nor did the Clearwater or Petrel. The Petrel was professionaly run...but the radio wasn't left on. Why would I make security calls? I've had my radio on and NEVER heard such a call, let alone anyone announcing their route and destination for a three hour trip down the river. The trip down the river is a TINY little run requiring little more than staying clear of occasional traffic and watching for debris. RB |
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Running fix...... 4 times this year... all instruction to crew and as an
exercise for myself. That's very basic stuff Jeff. Suzzy learned it a few weeks ago. She likes the nav stuff. RB |
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A question for you "RULE JERKERS"
Is it wise to obey that stupid radar rule and drain your battaries on a clear day for a ten mile sail or must you run your engines to charge batteries and take all this ASA **** about motorsailing? **** stinks the same even if it has a dumd rule that backs it. My radar has been OFF accept when I've been learning how to use it. On a few rainy days it let me spot tugs hauling early, but that's about it. In good weather it makes more sense to run the fridge. RB |
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Prior to that, I had detoured around the Brothers due to a fuel barge
coming up channel between them as a result of radio communications. Why did you need radio contact for this? You could have just taken the second course without a word needed. Hell, we passed a big tug there the other night. We just fell off and let him pass. I doubt he was worried about lack of contact as I gave way well in advance. RB |
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Yeh, but it isn't as beautiful as the GG.
"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... That Bridge Jon, is the bridge that put the "Golden Gate" in second place for the length of a suspension span OT |
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 15:26:59 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote: "CANDChelp" wrote in message ... Gosh, I've sailed NY harbor probably 50 times or more on plenty of boats. Among them, the 70 foot yawl, The Petrel and the Clearwater twice. Never had the radio on. But then I know where to sail and how to stay out of the way. Once we got tooted at by a huge Celebrity ship...but we did that on purpose! You are a danger to all shipping public and private with your stupid insistence of sailing blind, deaf and dumb. I suppose you don't operate your radar either on nice days? Did you know that if you have operational radar you are required to use it at all times when underway? No, I don't suppose you did know it. You are a joke. Cappy...a point of clarification if you please. I was under the impression that radar was required dependant upon the prevailing circumstances and conditions. In other words, in poor visibility or if the risk of collision exists. It was my understanding that if the radar is turned on, a proper radar watch is required, but that the radar is not required to be turned on and monitored "at all times when underway." Is my understanding in error? |
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"Cappy Kicker" Cappy_kicked_all_over_ ASA wrote in: Hell, they'd be worn out in 6 months if I used em every time I cast off fot a daysail around waters I've been sailing for 45 years!! I don't recall your age, Bob. How old is Susan? :) |
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"Cappy Kicker" Cappy_kicked_all_over_ ASA wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 19:28:53 -0400, "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote: Actually, this was the only point I was interested in. Fact is, if you know how to use a compass , it's not necessary to practice the use every time you go out. Nothing is necessary. Actually you are incorrect! It is necessary to practice but not every time. Who's being pedantic now?? Ease up on the painkillers, Oz. They are making you even more cantankerous than usual! OK if that suits you, but what's wrong with sliding the cover down when you're not using the compass? That sounds fine, if you are sitting in a small cockpit where you can have the tiller in one hand, and reachout with the other hand to flip the compass cover up. If you cannot reach the compass cover without releasing the helm, and stepping over the travellor, after which you have a cover waiting for someone to sit on it, then you might as well leave the cover off (unless you are on a long distance cruise). Regards Donal -- |
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I'm glad to hear that. Learning it and doing it are two very different things. You keep
sounding like my 7-year old "I don't need to practice - I already know how!" "CANDChelp" wrote in message ... Running fix...... 4 times this year... all instruction to crew and as an exercise for myself. That's very basic stuff Jeff. Suzzy learned it a few weeks ago. She likes the nav stuff. RB |
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"Cappy Kicker" Cappy_kicked_all_over_ ASA wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 20:49:24 -0400, "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote: You should, assuming you sail in anything other than a totally benign environment. This doesn't plotting courses and working running fixes, but it should mean having a fair guess of your compass course. Jesus Christ Jeff, you do all that crap for a Sunday afternoon sail. Anal just doesn't cover it!!!! You're saying its too much work to have a guess as to what your compass course is? I can see it now: "Hey OZ, what's our course?" "I don't know, East, West, one of those - just sail the friggin boat!" This might explain the short lifespan of OZ boats. BTW, How many people here have done a running fix in the last year? In their life? Know what it is? Bwaaaaahahahahhahahahahaaaa! Fixed a kite pole while running! Bwaaaahhahahahahahahhahahhhahhahahhaaaaaa! Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Bobsprit isn't likely to get sun damage wilth the amount of sailing that he
does. If we believe everything that he says, then he is only doing 400 hours a year, in the NY area. This is far less exposure than a cruiser will get in a single Atlantic crossing. After physical damage to an uncovered compass is pointed out, Donal fixates on the UV issue. Don't mistreat gear just because you think it can take it and that includes sun damage. RB |
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You're saying its too much work to have a guess as to what your compass course
is? I can see it now: "Hey OZ, what's our course?" "I don't know, East, West, one of those - just sail the friggin boat!" If you know the area, you'll know the course without uncovering the compass. RB |
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