I did not "infer" anything I simple repeated what you
stated in your original post which was wrong! You wrote:

"Let me amplify that the masthead "tricolor" should only be in addition to the sidelights."

I have just proven that a sailboat that has no motor installed does
not need those sidelights and that steaming light because it is never
a motor boat. You say the opposite for the whole world to see.
You wrote that a tricolor "should ONLY be in addition to the sidelights".

How can any light(s) be in addition to something that is not there in the
first place as on a motorless sailboat with tricolor only which is a
totally legal proposition according to the Rules?

Here's the remainder of your erroneous post:

"Let me amplify that the masthead "tricolor" should only be in addition to the sidelights.
While the tricolor is legal for a sailboat, it is NOT for a powerboat. The "masthead
light," commonly called the "steaming light" and mounted partway up the mast on a
sailboat, must be at least one meter above the sidelights. The wording is a bit obtuse,
but I believe that the sidelights can be no higher than 2.5 meters above the gunwale.

"The tricolor on the mast is fine if you're offshore and want to be seen through the swells
by a distant ship, but I think you'd be more concerned powering into you marina on a dark
night."

You are wrong and Shen44 is wrong and now along comes
otnmbird again to chime in with his lame comments. You guys
must be Siamese triplets or something. Maybe you should all
get an operation to separate yourselves???

You repeatedly demonstrate a motorboat mentality and
sincerely feel that every sailboat has an auxiliary so it
is really a motor boat. This is not always the case so
your misconception continue to cause dangerous
situations on the water.

S.Simon


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
You may have inferred that I was talking about using both sets at the same time, but I
never implied it.

Your babbling doesn't make any sense - if the engine is not running and the sails are up,
it makes no difference howmuch wind there is, its a sailboat and therefore can use the
lights for sailboats. And a boat the has no engine, or never uses it, or is never
underway when lights are required, does not need sidelights under the ColRegs.

My advice was specifically to Bobsprit. Now if you're chastising me for inferring that RB
would actually use his engine when making a night entrance to his marina, that's a
different discussion.

Your trying to claim that I said something I didn't - I don't think anyone is buying it
and your opinion isn't anything I'm going to loose sleep over.


"Simple Simon"
wrote in message ...
Tut, tut, tut! Semantics again. A sailboat is ONLY a
sailboat when machinery is NOT in use and sails
are in use. What lights could one use if the sailboat
had her sails up but there was no wind and she was
underway but not making way?

One could use EITHER the tricolor OR the normal
running lights and not both as Jeff stated (or at least
implied).

Now, what if the sailboat was using machinery? This
cannot be because a sailboat is no longer a sailboat
the moment it uses machinery even if the sails are
up and drawing. Therefore it must use motorboat
lights which are the lower running lights "in addition
to" the steaming light (sometimes called a masthead
light though it is lower down on the mast).

Now we come to the $64,000 question. What if the
sailboat was underway but not making way and had
her sails up but there was no wind? Furthermore,
she is a pure sailboat and had nomotor installed.

Would she be required to have
the lower set of running lights? No, she would not
because she could never be a motor boat. Therefore
both you and Jeff are wrong in your stupid insistence
that sailboats must have lower running lights "in addition
to" a tricolor.

Gotcha!!!!


"Shen44" wrote in message
...
Subject: Let there be Nav. Light
From: "Simple Simon"
Date: 07/26/2003 11:22 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


Your wording was more than a "tad vague", it was clearly wrong.

See my reply to your good buddy Shenn44 and then be man
enough to admit that what you wrote is very misleading and clearly
incorrect. I got you this time. I know you are loathe to admit
it but I got you this time. He he!


G What he wrote could be considered "misleading" to someone such as yourself,
incapable of connecting two thoughts to create a whole.
If you'd read all of his statement (looked before you leapt) you would have
realized he was talking about powerdriven sailboats who used the tricolor light
when not powerdriven...... a sailboat which uses a tricolor light will have, in
addition, normal side lights when powerdriven and turn off the tricolor light
and employ a masthead light.

Shen