On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:46:11 +1000, Oz1
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:25:09 GMT, "jlrogers" wrote:

No, you don't get it. Our government manufactured nothing. At worst
they didn't look too closely at some evidence presented by sworn
witnesses.

Oh really! Lets see now what was the name of that little girly that
was shot and beaten by her Iraqi captors after firing at them to evade
capture? You know the same little girly who the Iraqi doctors tried to
hand back but weren't able to because the troops were too scared to
let them close enough.

hey can also be accused of assuming the worst case
scenario. Which is the smart thing to do.

Yeah sure, that works every time, maybe Kennedy should have listened
to his advisors and launched a pre emptive nuke strike on Cuba?
But then you'd have nowhere to keep your Prisoners of Undeclared war
out of sight.

You run your country and we'll run ours.

Hey it works fine for me!
Pity we are working toward a free trade agreement with you guys
that'll give you too much input into our politics

Now, that's just plain stupid. Australia is too small to play trade
wars with the EEC and the USA. The Asian economies aren't doing much
for us either and are locking us out of agricultural exports to
protect their domestic sector.

We gain more from a FTA with the USA than we lose provided we get some
agreement on agricultural products. If we don't, there's no reason why
we should bother with an FTA - the USA doesn't make much that we can't
source elsewhere and a series of bilateral FTAs like the NZ and
Singapore models may well be better for us.

The USA already has a lot of input into our politics the same as we do
for NZ and for the same reasons - economic leverage.

Peter Wiley

Oz, you are wasting your time. You are dealing with closed minds, and
they will never realize they were duped by their president. They still
think that their resons for starting the war were sound and will stand
behind their illegal invasion and murder of innocent people becuase to
admit they were wrong is unacceptable to them. It's a childish ego thing
really.

Cheers MC



Oz1 wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 20:07:47 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:


The level of freedom is no different than
it was a couple of years ago that I can see.
I've also noticed no further terrorists attacks.

Were there any after the invasion of Afghanistan?
So why Iraq?

I wonder if it could be because brave men
are putting their lives on the line and dying
for the American way of life? It certainly isn't
because a bunch of whining cowards such as
yourself are getting their way.

Hmm you _still_ don't get it!
Your Govt lied and manufactured 'facts' to pursue its agenda.

As for manufactured evidence you had best
blame that on the United Nations you used to
support so strongly. What happened that you
now accuse them of manufacturing evidence?


IIRC the UN was against invasion because they saw no "imminent threat"
nor evidence of WMD. Blix was pilloried by the US for stating fact and
not supporting a scenario based on fiction.





"Oz1" wrote in message ...

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:40:31 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:


"Oz1" wrote in message ...

So true Cappy, unfortunately the US,and her allies in this deception
will almost certainly reap the seeds they have sown.

I agree. We will continue to live in freedom and not at the mercy
of the terrorist scum you and your liberal ilk support and love.


Support?
You still don't get the message do you?
Your Govt manufactured evidence to support its aims!

BTW what level of freedom are you at now, still orange?
Oh that's right, you live well away from any terrorist target so you
can do as you please.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

When was the last time you took a charter in Tonga Kook?

Cheers MC

katysails wrote:
Charter, I have only one week holiday...

Noy very good benefits at your establishment if that's all you have after all these years...

Donal, Oz, Booby, etc. are worse than Ouday and Qusay.

Wait...let me see....
Nope...haven't murdered any US Soldiers under the cover of a phoney war
following a long list of lies to the American people.
Oh wait, I was think of Bush!

RB

Your Govt lied and manufactured 'facts' to pursue its agenda.

Wrong. That is your opinion.


It's an opinion that is supported by more facts every day. More Americans are
coming around to the obvious.
We were lied to.

RB

It's very American
(damn there I go again with the anti American thing)

Excuse me, but I'm AMERICAN. This is a great country. We just happen to have a
less than great president who lies...and does it badly.

RB

Excuse me, but I'm AMERICAN. This is a great country. We just happen to have a
less than great president who lies...and does it badly.

RB

And a population full of suckers?

Nope. I'd say more than half the country knew he was lying and quite a few were
vocal about it. Demonstrations here in NY to protest the lies were surpressed.

RB

A word of warning in regards to free trade with the USA... Canada has taken
them to the world court on several occasions and won rulings against them...
which they have refused to honour let alone obey. In short they have
repeatedly proved that their word means nothing and that they are as
trustworthy as an Arab salesman.

If at all possible do not engage in a FTA with the USA... they are known
to consistently fail to live up to their word and undertake lying as a
matter of general practice. The entire country is morally bankrupt and it's
citizens are blinded to outside opinion by their own media.

CM

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
...
| On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:46:11 +1000, Oz1
| wrote:
|
| On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:25:09 GMT, "jlrogers" wrote:
|
| No, you don't get it. Our government manufactured nothing. At worst
| they didn't look too closely at some evidence presented by sworn
| witnesses.
|
| Oh really! Lets see now what was the name of that little girly that
| was shot and beaten by her Iraqi captors after firing at them to evade
| capture? You know the same little girly who the Iraqi doctors tried to
| hand back but weren't able to because the troops were too scared to
| let them close enough.
|
| hey can also be accused of assuming the worst case
| scenario. Which is the smart thing to do.
|
| Yeah sure, that works every time, maybe Kennedy should have listened
| to his advisors and launched a pre emptive nuke strike on Cuba?
| But then you'd have nowhere to keep your Prisoners of Undeclared war
| out of sight.
|
| You run your country and we'll run ours.
|
| Hey it works fine for me!
| Pity we are working toward a free trade agreement with you guys
| that'll give you too much input into our politics
|
| Now, that's just plain stupid. Australia is too small to play trade
| wars with the EEC and the USA. The Asian economies aren't doing much
| for us either and are locking us out of agricultural exports to
| protect their domestic sector.
|
| We gain more from a FTA with the USA than we lose provided we get some
| agreement on agricultural products. If we don't, there's no reason why
| we should bother with an FTA - the USA doesn't make much that we can't
| source elsewhere and a series of bilateral FTAs like the NZ and
| Singapore models may well be better for us.
|
| The USA already has a lot of input into our politics the same as we do
| for NZ and for the same reasons - economic leverage.
|
| Peter Wiley

"CANDChelp" wrote in message ...
We were lied to.

RB

Says the biggest liar on the group . . .

"CANDChelp" wrote in message

Demonstrations here in NY to protest the lies were surpressed.



What form of "Freedom" are they currently using... the "Saddam Policy"????
or the "Osama Blanket"??

CM