Buh-Bye!
 

Compared to most of the nonsense here, this has been an interesting intellectual exercise.
I always wanted to do the VPP calculation, this was a good excuse.

Actually, the concept of a Key Largo to Marathon race is interesting. If its a light SE
wind, at low tide (not that there's much of a tide) I could have a problem - some of the
channels I'd have to tack up are not much wider than my boat. But other than that, this
wouldn't be a contest.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Jeff... don't be drawn into this silly exercise of having Capt. Neal claim
he can best your vessel.... he hasn't a prayer of challenging even me
successfully and I'm certain your vessel is faster than mine on all points.

I must admit however that he could in all probability easily beat a C&C 32
with Bob at the helm... lets allow him that.

CM



"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
| Your local knowledge won't help since I could shorten sail and follow you
anywhere. Then
| I would simply sprint by you at the finish. I suppose if you call
anything over 8 knots
| "a blow" you might have a case. Its a good thing you don't sail up here
in the Fall.
|SNIP

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I can beat a Westsail 32 any day and your heavy full-keeler is
slower than the average Westsail 32 by a significant amount.

Westsail 32 is not faster than the Nordic. Not even close.

RB

Buh-Bye!
 

Compared to most of the nonsense here, this has been an interesting
intellectual exercise.

For you opening a jar of jelly is an intellectual exercise.

RB

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The Nordica's SA/disp is over 17; the Westsail is only 14.4. You might have a
chance
against a WetSnail, but not the Nordica.

He'd have no chance in the conditions that Westsail was built for.

RB

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"Simple Simon" wrote in message

| I can beat a Westsail 32 any day and your heavy full-keeler is
| slower than the average Westsail 32 by a significant amount.

Your ability to be in error is only surpassed by your inability to relate to
any vessel other than your own. It's a classic indicator of limited exposure
to a wide variety of sailboats.

CM

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I believe Neal has confessed to being onboard two sailboats: a Hobie 16, and his beloved
Coronado.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message

| I can beat a Westsail 32 any day and your heavy full-keeler is
| slower than the average Westsail 32 by a significant amount.

Your ability to be in error is only surpassed by your inability to relate to
any vessel other than your own. It's a classic indicator of limited exposure
to a wide variety of sailboats.

CM

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That might be true if SA/DISP was the only parameter.

But, you seemed to have forgotten LWL, for example,
which, on the Westsail is two and a fraction feet more
than the Nordica resulting in a hull speed more then
ten percent higher.

It just so happens the SA/DISP ratio must be higher on
the Nordica to overcome all that extra wetted surface and
drag from aperture, fixed, three-bladed prop, horribly
inefficient, transom-hung rudder, etc. Therefore, as
you can easily see any advantage the higher SA/DISP
confers is negated by the poor design.

Since I can beat any Westsail 32, I can also beat a Nordica
30 which has a lower hull speed than the Westsail.

Next time when you attempt to argue a point be sure to
not neglect the entire picture while concentrating on one
point only. I hope this helps.




"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
The Nordica's SA/disp is over 17; the Westsail is only 14.4. You might have a chance
against a WetSnail, but not the Nordica.



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
I can beat a Westsail 32 any day and your heavy full-keeler is
slower than the average Westsail 32 by a significant amount.

My beating Booby's boat is saying nothing at all. Booby's boat
is probably faster than mine by a teensy margin but since he
sails only using half his sails he doesn't have a chance even
against a Seidelman or even the fine vessel depicted in this link:


http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com...truck_boat_mh1
03.jpg


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Jeff... don't be drawn into this silly exercise of having Capt. Neal claim
he can best your vessel.... he hasn't a prayer of challenging even me
successfully and I'm certain your vessel is faster than mine on all points.

I must admit however that he could in all probability easily beat a C&C 32
with Bob at the helm... lets allow him that.

CM



"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
| Your local knowledge won't help since I could shorten sail and follow you
anywhere. Then
| I would simply sprint by you at the finish. I suppose if you call
anything over 8 knots
| "a blow" you might have a case. Its a good thing you don't sail up here
in the Fall.
|SNIP

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On the contrary. It is indicative of the fact that I have sailed in
company with many a cruising boat and it turned out I am
faster than all but a few. This is a result of my being a better
sailor and having my boat maximized for efficiency and speed.

I know the value of such things as a clean, smooth and faired
bottom. I know the necessity of an efficient, balanced spade
rudder and fin keel. I know how to trim the hull by proper weight
placement for maximum speed through the water. I know what
sail to bend on under a variety of conditions. I know how to
trim sails for maximum efficiency. I realize that a boat is slowed
down terribly by dragging a fixed prop in an aperture which is
cut into a high-wetted surface full keel. I know all about tip
vortex action on sails and how they produce unacceptable
drag. I know how to minimize said little tornadoes. I realize
the stupidity of hanging anchors on long bowsprits.

Your boat doesn't have a chance against mine until and unless
you have enough wind to reach your hull speed (probably about
twenty knots with all the drag you have) which is the only thing
about your boat that betters mine and even this only betters
mine by less than half a knot.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message

| I can beat a Westsail 32 any day and your heavy full-keeler is
| slower than the average Westsail 32 by a significant amount.

Your ability to be in error is only surpassed by your inability to relate to
any vessel other than your own. It's a classic indicator of limited exposure
to a wide variety of sailboats.

CM

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Now you are beginning to see a few of the reasons why
you would most likely end up going on your way with
your tail tucked. Sister Creek alone would kill you.

Remember I said no motors. That does not rule out
oars and I can row my boat at two knots in the no-wind
Sister Creek conditions. There are other legal tricks I
can and will employ just to put a multi-hull sailor in
his rightful place.



"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
Compared to most of the nonsense here, this has been an interesting intellectual exercise.
I always wanted to do the VPP calculation, this was a good excuse.

Actually, the concept of a Key Largo to Marathon race is interesting. If its a light SE
wind, at low tide (not that there's much of a tide) I could have a problem - some of the
channels I'd have to tack up are not much wider than my boat. But other than that, this
wouldn't be a contest.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Jeff... don't be drawn into this silly exercise of having Capt. Neal claim
he can best your vessel.... he hasn't a prayer of challenging even me
successfully and I'm certain your vessel is faster than mine on all points.

I must admit however that he could in all probability easily beat a C&C 32
with Bob at the helm... lets allow him that.

CM



"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
| Your local knowledge won't help since I could shorten sail and follow you
anywhere. Then
| I would simply sprint by you at the finish. I suppose if you call
anything over 8 knots
| "a blow" you might have a case. Its a good thing you don't sail up here
in the Fall.
|SNIP

Buh-Bye!
 

Neal, what is the average speed you make when passaging making?


RB