Doug... the topic was based on Bob's claim to be able to set or trim sails
so that a boat can hold and maintain course despite the rudder being free to
swing without restriction up wind from a beam to a close reach. I called
bull****.

Now if you add a drogue to the stern that alone changes the "dynamics" and
emergency steering systems jury rigged would no doubt alter the outcome to
allow progress. It may even be believable that with sufficent and constant
adjustment of sails in flat seas and steady light wind that you can split
the swings to make progress upwind..... but trim to sail to a point without
a rudder.... I can't see it.

CM


"DSK" wrote in message
...
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
| I'l try it again as well... I might get it to work on a reach if I
| continuously adjust and trim the sails.... I'm not holding my breath.
Has
| anyone else managed to sail upwing with a rudder swinging free for
more than
| what would constitute normal momentum over a short period.???
|
|
|
|
|
| The navigator© wrote:
|
| Yes but it requires a flat sea.
|
|
| Not really, but if there is a sea running then it requires both skill &
patience.
| Can you say "dynamic equilibrium"? C'mon, say it with me now. It's really
just a
| fancy word for saying that the boat will swing one way, then the other,
but will
| be able to be steered on a course averaging between the swings.
|
| The trickiest part is to keep the boat close to the wind without getting
thrown
| through stays by some combination of gust & wave; or if the circumstances
are such
| that this is going to happen anyway, to coax the boat back onto the
desired
| course.
|
| I'm having a hard time imagining circumstances where one could not at
least
| immobilize the rudder, much less rig some type of emergency steering. In
one
| Bermuda Race a few years ago, one boat that lost it's rudder used a bunk
lashed to
| the spinnaker pole as an emergency rudder & tiller.
|
| Fresh Breezes- Doug King
|
|

Doug... the topic was based on Bob's claim to be able to set or trim sails
so that a boat can hold and maintain course despite the rudder being free to
swing without restriction up wind from a beam to a close reach. I called
bull****.

Stop arguing. I'll provide a video.

RB

"CANDChelp" wrote in message

| Stop arguing. I'll provide a video.


KILL JOY!

CM

KILL JOY!

I know, I know...but I will be heading out shortly and make the video. I should
have it available by Monday.


RB

I know, I know...but I will be heading out shortly and make the video. I
should
have it available by Monday.


What's the plan, man? This is not an attack, or even the groundwork for an
attack. Just curious as to where you're going and when. Also, you should take
a 360 deg shot when out of sight of land to put all us doubters to shame. Too
bad it isn't next weekend, I am moving the boat from NJ to Sag Harbor and we
could have had our long awaited race.

Also, you should take
a 360 deg shot when out of sight of land to put all us doubters to shame. Too
bad it isn't next weekend, I am moving the boat from NJ to Sag Harbor and we
could have had our long awaited race.

We're leaving tonight, taking the river to Jersey City. My friend's Tripp 32
gets launched there, so we'll take his slip and help him in the morning. Then
it's over to Sandy Hook, I think.
We have no specific plans to be "anywhere" but sailing. We may actually head
your way, depending on the winds. We don't have to be back until Sunday night,
but we have a longer weekend next week if we don't make it "far."
I hear Sunday will be a gift of strong air from a front moving into the area.
Anyone in NY harbor tomorrow or near Coney Island? We'll be sailing...I'll
monitor channel 72.

Capt RB

Also, you should take
a 360 deg shot when out of sight of land to put all us doubters to shame.
Too
bad it isn't next weekend, I am moving the boat from NJ to Sag Harbor and we
could have had our long awaited race.

We're leaving tonight, taking the river to Jersey City. My friend's Tripp 32
gets launched there, so we'll take his slip and help him in the morning. Then
it's over to Sandy Hook, I think.
We have no specific plans to be "anywhere" but sailing. We may actually head
your way, depending on the winds. We don't have to be back until Sunday
night,
but we have a longer weekend next week if we don't make it "far."
I hear Sunday will be a gift of strong air from a front moving into the area.
Anyone in NY harbor tomorrow or near Coney Island? We'll be sailing...I'll
monitor channel 72.

Good on ya. I was over at the UN during lunch today watching the boats going
past, daydreaming about when we will take off. Funny how all the sailboats
seem to time the current right, but the motorboats don't seem to care, even if
it means slogging through a nasty adverse current. Anyway, it looks like a
good weekend for you. S - SW winds won't help you get down the jersey coast,
but will make for a nice sail back.

Of you and your ugly wife?

"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...
Doug... the topic was based on Bob's claim to be able to set or trim
sails
so that a boat can hold and maintain course despite the rudder being free
to
swing without restriction up wind from a beam to a close reach. I called
bull****.

Stop arguing. I'll provide a video.

RB