Never run downwind?
 

Hey, Neal! Let's see if you are able to read it from a UK server!

Regards


Donal
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"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
What's going on Neal, did you forget to take your meds again?

Half the time you're saying that gybing downwind never works, and half the
time you're
saying it works if you're going slower than hull speed.

You claim that you watched the America's Cup on TV, and they always ran
directly to the
downwind mark; now in uk.rec.sailing you're saying you never watch TV.
Anyone that
watched the Cup matches knows they gybed through significant angles
downwind.

Last year you wrote that 10 knots winds were so light you had to motor
both ways on your
Bahamas trip; now you claiming you do hull speed in 10 knots.

You also wrote the only excuse for running an engine was light air, but on
your trip you
frequently motorsailed against strong headwinds.

So what's going on here, Neal? It would seem that there is a complete
disconnect between
the real world and what you write.


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
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The shortest distance between two points is a straight line.

Sailing the straight line is faster downwind unless the winds
are light and fluky. Given any decent wind the boat with
chute going directly from point to point will beat some
geek chasing lay lines and looking at polar predictions
every time. That's a fact. I suggest you go watch a few
more races and you will see just what I mean.

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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My Friend Neal,

Please don't try racing. At times you are enough embarrassement to the
ASA without proving it as a fact. Besides you can't race with those
potted plants sitting on your self. stay on your mooring.

If you know anything about anything, the rating on the "Banana Boat"
would be so slow you'd have to race in the cruising class. That my
friend in a class that doesn't allow Flying Sails. For your
information
your Assy. Spinn is a flying sail. Not allowed. However, that blown
out
Main of yours might work as a good downwind Chute :^)

Now, about "AM CUPPERS" going downwind. Neal, If you've ever watch
the
races, you've must have seen them turn the weather mark where one
vessel
will choose a Gybe SET and the other will choose a BEAR AWAY SET.
Even
with SPINNAKERS they are working on wind ANGLES for their downwind
runs.
They know which way the wind is blowing. They send crew up the mast to
assure this. Why Oh Seaman Supreme, does this happen?

Also, If you have an ASSY you must also be aware that is an off wind
reaching sail. Even poled out it is more efficient cracked off dead
downwind, aren't you?

Ole Thom

Never run downwind?
 

Canadian servers don't seem to work either for some reason . . .

Oh, what wicked webs we weave when first we practice to deceive....

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Never run downwind?
 

I just splashed my screen! Bwhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahah

Cheers MC

CANDChelp wrote:

Nope...two weeks after that is our 'Cruise" straight out offshore. We only have
3 days, but I'm hoping we can get 75 miles offshore at least.

Never run downwind?
 

Nope! My ISP doesn't allow anything but headers and a single line
from the other side of the Pond.


"Donal" wrote in message ...
Hey, Neal! Let's see if you are able to read it from a UK server!

Never run downwind?
 

Over proof that the wind shifts with depression while the sea state lags
behind or reflects a distant 'stalled' system?

Cheers MC

Capt. Mooron wrote:
Odd.... I've rarely seen a wave train oriented differently than the wind
direction.

Never run downwind?
 

Symmetric of course ;-)

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:
I'm talking spinnakers here big boy! Only a fool eschews a
spinnaker on a downwind run.


"Thomas Stewart" wrote in message ...

Simple,

Your statement is absolutely wrong and completely off the wall. It is
wrong in theory and it is wrong in actuality.

Neal, before you take this into a argument, please look at a copy of the
polar performance curve for mono hulls. You will see that for a wind
blowing 5 knts or less, your vessel cannot exceed the speed of the wind
going dead downwind. Neal, now look at the speed of the vessel sail at a
150 degree angle (30 deg delta) a pick up of a knt and a half. A .583%
increase in speed)

I picked the 30 Deg angle because it is easier to visualize. ( 30x60
triangle) Now visualize a unit of travel directly downwind and the
distance of the vessel at 150 for the same unit of time. You will see
that the vessel at 30 degrees off dead downwind traveled .593 times
farther. Now, I know the base of the triangle isn't quite equal to twice
the distance traveled but close enough for this old beached sailor. So,
the vessel off the wind is .093% farther downwind and time to gybe back
to course. Now sailing a course of 210 deg, traveling 1.593 times faster
and will be back on the original course 18% farther downwind than the
boat slogging along dead downwind.

Now if you had ever raced in the Cruising Class ( No Flying Sail) you
would know this to be true. I know you don't want to agree that a boat
can exceed the speed of the wind going downwind but you are DEAD WRONG.
I've tried before to tell you the things you can do to increase off wind
speed but I see you are still living in the dark about it.

Don't lead the newbees astray with your lack of knowledge and experience
but many,many times I've returned to the Leeward mark with large gains
over boats traveling dead downwind wing and wing.

Ole Thom

Never run downwind?
 

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Nope! My ISP doesn't allow anything but headers and a single line
from the other side of the Pond.
That's a real pity. You are probably missing soooo much!




Neal is a Wan*er. Neal is a Wa*ker! Neal is a Wank*r!
Nananaanaaaaa! Nah Na Na NAA naaaa!




Regards


Donal
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Never run downwind?
 

We only have
3 days, but I'm hoping we can get 75 miles offshore at least.

You planning on going very very slow to see the sights?
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Never run downwind?
 

3 days, but I'm hoping we can get 75 miles offshore at least.

You planning on going very very slow to see the sights?

Sadly, Katy missed the thread where a few people understood that the distance
from City Island combined with the timing of Hells Gate, makes 75 miles
offshore less than easy unless winds cooperate fully.
Maybe you think offshore starts at Hart island???

Bwahahahahaha! Busted again!!!

RB

Never run downwind?
 

To address your irrelevant points however it is more popular in some areas
because of the one design aspect.

It's more popular because people have HEARD of it, you pinhead!
They also built enough of them...more than 5-600 I believe.

RB