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SkitchNYC July 16th 03 02:45 PM

Excuse Me Bob but....
 
Drinks = Snapple

You take glass bottled beverages out?

Bobsprit July 16th 03 02:50 PM

RB Click Here!
 
Poor billy? My boat doesn't list badly to one side like your tub.

Oh, so now my boat is listing? You are calling Steve a liar? He claimed I was
clearly at 30 degrees in 8 knots.
What give, Billy Boy???

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

Bobsprit July 16th 03 03:25 PM

RB Click Here!
 
Well, if there was only an 8 knot breeze, then something else is
making your boat list badly. Either that or the keel fell off.

Finally....!!! Someone figured it out!!! Indeed, the keel has fallen off. By
load shifting stacks of weights below I'm able to keep her on her feet. Still
we suffered 14 knockdowns yesterday. All in 8 knots.

Bwahahahahaha! Bill, you crack me up!!!!

RB

Jonathan Ganz July 16th 03 05:59 PM

Loser = RB
 
I thought it was his ugly wife.

Sorry.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
that's Bob.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote ...
Who is that ugly ?chick? at the helm?







Jonathan Ganz July 16th 03 05:59 PM

Losers Click Here!
 
Well, it's her boat. Why is RB even on the boat when there
are so many real sailors to choose from?

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Since Suzanne was at the helm........

CM

"Ghost" wrote in message
.. .
| Bobsprit and Suzanne enjoying their sail, being careful not to lose

sight
of
| land.





Jonathan Ganz July 16th 03 06:01 PM

Loser=rb
 
Bob can identify them by smell, so watch out Scotty. He might
be sniffing around.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
can't you read?

"Bobsprit" wrote ...
I'd rather work all day than go sailing with boob**** and his all gay


But there's no gays coming on Saturday. You'd be the only one.

Bwahahahahahha!

RB




Pony Express July 16th 03 09:37 PM

RB Click Here!
 
I stand corrected. I guess they also have baggy mains when they loosen the
halyard.
--
----
Steve
S/V Pony Express

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
They don't have baggy mains.

They do when the outhall is slacked and the backstay is tight. Ahemmm....


Bwahahahahaha!

RB



The_navigator© July 16th 03 11:03 PM

RB Click Here!
 
And that is why you are not a real sailor.

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:
That's a big genny. The sheet lead is too far forward even if it is furled. I
would hate to see it with the sail completely unfurled.

You're correct. I was too lazy and we were sailing fine.



Bobsprit July 17th 03 03:47 AM

RB Click Here!
 

And that is why you are not a real sailor.

Right, cuz you're boat is always perfectly trimmed, right??? Why not post a few
of those perfect trim pics...or didn't you catch hell for that already!?

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

The_navigator© July 17th 03 03:58 AM

RB Click Here!
 
Pictures have been posted for months Booby. There's even a video (I
could post one with more waves and wind but I wouldn't want to scare
you). Not one real criticism so far (well except DSK who couldn't
actually say what was wrong. Hahahahahahhahahaha)
No, I rarely trim badly and I sure as hell am not so lazy that I would
sail with negligent sail trim.

Do you still love Nature -despite what it has given to you?

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:
And that is why you are not a real sailor.

Right, cuz you're boat is always perfectly trimmed, right??? Why not post a few
of those perfect trim pics...or didn't you catch hell for that already!?

Bwahahahahaha!

RB



Jonathan Ganz July 17th 03 05:02 AM

Excuse Me Bob but....
 
Certainly not in California. The only requirement is
that the skipper be sober... 0.08 just like a car.

Why do you have some other f*cked up rule in NY?

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Why not? There are no laws that say your crew must be sober.


Are you sure?


RB




SAIL LOCO July 17th 03 05:02 AM

RB Click Here!
 
You're correct. I was too lazy and we were sailing fine. BTW, there was a
nice
IP 35 out there singlehanding and carrying full sails and while we were
faster,

Well I should hope so. You were doing 11 right?
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Flying Tadpole July 17th 03 07:34 AM

RB Click Here!
 


The navigator© wrote:

Pictures have been posted for months Booby. There's even a video (I
could post one with more waves and wind but I wouldn't want to scare
you). Not one real criticism so far (well except DSK who couldn't
actually say what was wrong. Hahahahahahhahahaha)
No, I rarely trim badly and I sure as hell am not so lazy that I would
sail with negligent sail trim.

Do you still love Nature -despite what it has given to you?


Nature's a Mother...

FT

Bobsprit July 17th 03 11:29 AM

RB Click Here!
 
No, I rarely trim badly and I sure as hell am not so lazy that I would
sail with negligent sail trim.

I think you missed the point. What do you do when your boat needs trim
adjustments?

RB

Bobsprit July 17th 03 11:31 AM

RB Click Here!
 
Well I should hope so. You were doing 11 right?

No, Loco. Boats with 25 foot LWL can't possibly do better than 7 knots or so.
Hull Speed rule says so, right!?
You raced regular on a tricked out J30 and only saw 10 knots "once."

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

The_navigator© July 17th 03 10:44 PM

RB Click Here!
 
Thanks Scotty. You know he can't take advice from people here on sail trim!

Cheers MC

Scott Vernon wrote:
here;


"Bobsprit" asked

What do you do when your boat needs trim
adjustments?







Horvath July 18th 03 12:43 AM

Excuse Me Bob but....
 
On 16 Jul 2003 13:13:13 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

Drinks = Snapple, Soft drinks, water and so on. We accept beer, but no drinking
while underway.


Wuss

Do you make everyone wear a life jacket while underway?




Ave Imperator Bush!
Bush Was Right! Four More Beers!

Capt. Mooron July 18th 03 03:06 PM

Excuse Me Bob but....
 

"Horvath" wrote in message

| Do you make everyone wear a life jacket while underway?

Yes .... while underway, when they are "on deck" [not in the cockpit] every
adult must wear a PFD. Children must always wear a PFD if they are not
within the cabin. I always wear a PFD even in the cockpit because I believe
in leading by example.

CM



Capt. Mooron July 18th 03 04:35 PM

Excuse Me Bob but....
 
Yes.... plus it's amazing the effect it has on the local water cops....
they see everyone wearing PFDs and just wave as they go on by.... leaving my
booze cruisers alone. Appearance Horvath... it's important.

I imagine when they see you moor up stern too they must shake their heads in
awe.

CM


| Do you make everyone wear a life jacket while underway?



Jonathan Ganz July 18th 03 04:41 PM

Excuse Me Bob but....
 
Hey, that's one my rules, but I'm from California.

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

"Horvath" wrote in message

| Do you make everyone wear a life jacket while underway?

Yes .... while underway, when they are "on deck" [not in the cockpit]

every
adult must wear a PFD. Children must always wear a PFD if they are not
within the cabin. I always wear a PFD even in the cockpit because I

believe
in leading by example.

CM





Capt. Mooron July 18th 03 07:10 PM

Excuse Me Bob but....
 
I'm overjoyed to see that you at least absorb the basics of common sense....
since your other abilities seem to fall short of the mark.

CM


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
| Hey, that's one my rules, but I'm from California.



Jonathan Ganz July 18th 03 09:25 PM

Excuse Me Bob but....
 
Ah, see now, even when someone asks for help, one gets
a half-ass reply.

FYI, we all have wants that exceed our limitations, or at least
we should.

Perhaps the emperor has no clothes, and the court jester is
really the wise man.

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
| Which ones? I want to do all I can to help myself.


Yes Jonathan.... but now you have to be able to understand that your wants
exceed your abilities. Your best course now lies in reveling in the
innocence and security of your ignorance and merrily keep posting replies

in
a manner that amuses you. Every court needs a jester and every town needs

a
dunce.... it provides others with an easily achievable bench mark. Go
get'em Ganz........

CM





Capt. Mooron July 18th 03 11:33 PM

Excuse Me Bob but....
 

"Horvath" wrote in message
| Wuss.

This from someone that can't moor to a ball and is forced to back up to it
and use the swim platform.... ha ha ha ha Ha!!!

No wonder you only race for "flags".... Bwahahahahahahahahahahaaaa


CM




Capt. Mooron July 19th 03 01:12 AM

Excuse Me Bob but....
 
Thx Taddy.... this reply from Jon did not appear. Excuse me while I tend
to wayward Jon's queries yet again... it is indeed a thankless task.

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...
|
|
| Jonathan Ganz wrote:
|
| Ah, see now, even when someone asks for help, one gets
| a half-ass reply.

My reply is based on the value of the question and the merit of the
inquirer. In regards to your request.... The question reeked of sarcasm and
the inquirer took pride in his ignorance.

|
| FYI, we all have wants that exceed our limitations, or at least
| we should.

The difference Jon is that without effort limitations become barriers not
obstacles.

|
| Perhaps the emperor has no clothes, and the court jester is
| really the wise man.
|

Perhaps it all comes down to Ham & Eggs.... a day's work for a chicken, a
lifetime commitment for a pig.

CM



katysails July 21st 03 12:51 AM

Excuse Me Bob but....
 


-- This from someone that can't moor to a ball and is forced to back up to it
and use the swim platform


WHAT?!?!?! I really did miss something while I was gone! Back up to a mooring ball? Mooring's a piece of cake...
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



The_navigator© July 21st 03 12:59 AM

Excuse Me Bob but....
 
He says he likes backing up to balls 'cos they are slimy. He doesn't
make clear if they are slimy before or after he has backed up to them
but I assume the latter as I'm sure he would not want any rent buoy
after use....

:-P

Cheers MC



katysails wrote:
-- This from someone that can't moor to a ball and is forced to back up to it

and use the swim platform



WHAT?!?!?! I really did miss something while I was gone! Back up to a mooring ball? Mooring's a piece of cake...
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein




Simple Simon July 21st 03 01:06 AM

Excuse Me Bob but....
 
Of course it's easy. You stand up on the bow with the
boat hook and pick up the mooring while your husband
does all the helmsmanship required to make it easy for
you.

Try picking up a mooring single-handed under sail in a
crowed mooring field and you will then be a real sailor
like me. One of my favorite ways is to sail upwind of
the mooring, heave-to and drift sideways down on the
mooring, pick it up, make it fast and then as the stem
eyes the weather drop the sails. Of course one must
have hank-on sails for this procedure to work right so
that leaves you out, honey.


"katysails" wrote in message ...


-- This from someone that can't moor to a ball and is forced to back up to it
and use the swim platform


WHAT?!?!?! I really did miss something while I was gone! Back up to a mooring ball? Mooring's a piece of cake...
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein





The_navigator© July 21st 03 01:08 AM

Excuse Me Bob but....
 
Why?


Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:
Of course one must
have hank-on sails for this procedure to work right so
that leaves you out, honey.



Simple Simon July 21st 03 01:13 AM

Excuse Me Bob but....
 
After making the mooring pendant fast one walks to the mast and cast
off both the main and jib halyards and both sails fall right down.

Poor Katy would have to drop the main with the jenny slapping her
across the head and shoulders and then go back to the cockpit to
roll up the stupid wind up sail. Sooooo lubberly, don't cha know?


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
Why?


Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:
Of course one must
have hank-on sails for this procedure to work right so
that leaves you out, honey.





katysails July 21st 03 01:22 AM

Excuse Me Bob but....
 

He says he likes backing up to balls 'cos they are slimy

OH...those kind of balls...I thought you were talking about moorings...we carpeted our mooring ball so it doesn't bong on the
side of the boat when there's some wave action. We did learn one thing this week, though. If there is a 3 foot wall of motor
boat wave coming at you, get your dinghy (with you in it) away from the back end of the boat...you could really get sucked under
there big time if you didn't take care....I fortunately had the swim ladder in my hand and pushed off before having the stern
end land on top of me....dang motor boat freakoids...they zoom right up to the channel markers and then put on the brakes
leaving a wall of water in their wake; they're still legal though, since they are under 5 knots as they enter the morring
basin...
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



Capt. Mooron July 21st 03 01:24 AM

Excuse Me Bob but....
 
All my halyards are run to the cockpit.....

Who the heck has a mast winch anymore?

CM

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
| After making the mooring pendant fast one walks to the mast and cast
| off both the main and jib halyards and both sails fall right down.
|
| Poor Katy would have to drop the main with the jenny slapping her
| across the head and shoulders and then go back to the cockpit to
| roll up the stupid wind up sail. Sooooo lubberly, don't cha know?
|
|
| "The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
| Why?
|
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Simple Simon wrote:
| Of course one must
| have hank-on sails for this procedure to work right so
| that leaves you out, honey.
|
|
|
|



katysails July 21st 03 01:25 AM

Excuse Me Bob but....
 
Neal,
We had our 22 on a mooring....had hank-on/hank-off sails....Been there...done that....moved on to bigger and better things,
which is what most successful people do. You just sit there in your little pit of stagnation and pretend you have a life.

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



The_navigator© July 21st 03 01:30 AM

Excuse Me Bob but....
 
If it was a shag pile covered ball he would get very excited Kook.

Cheers MC

katysails wrote:

.we carpeted our mooring ball so it doesn't bong on the
side of the boat when there's some wave action.



Simple Simon July 21st 03 01:34 AM

Excuse Me Bob but....
 
Because one picks up a mooring at the bow and one
has to walk past the mast to the cockpit in order to
roll up the jenny and then one has to walk forward
again to the mast to drop the main. This is lubberly.

Any real sailor does his sail work at the mast.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
Why couldn't she just let off the genoa sheets roll it up and then drop
the main?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:
After making the mooring pendant fast one walks to the mast and cast
off both the main and jib halyards and both sails fall right down.

Poor Katy would have to drop the main with the jenny slapping her
across the head and shoulders and then go back to the cockpit to
roll up the stupid wind up sail. Sooooo lubberly, don't cha know?


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

Why?


Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:
Of course one must

have hank-on sails for this procedure to work right so
that leaves you out, honey.








Simple Simon July 21st 03 01:35 AM

Excuse Me Bob but....
 
I know what goes on. I've sailed enough to see it time and
time again. Usually there is a lot of hollering and screaming
going on while the mooring procedure takes place. At least
I gave you credit for being a little better than that.


"katysails" wrote in message ...
Of course it's easy. You stand up on the bow with the
boat hook and pick up the mooring while your husband
does all the helmsmanship required to make it easy for
you.

You have some very odd ideas some times.....

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein





The_navigator© July 21st 03 01:50 AM

Excuse Me Bob but....
 
It is unsafe in a rough sea...

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:
All real sailors do their work at the mast. Leading lines
back to the cockpit is one of the more lubberly practices
that has become accepted lately and it's wrong, just plain
wrong and lubberly. It is done in the name of safety and
that's just plain stupid thinking. There is nothing unsafe
about working at the mast to raise and lower both sails.
It's the proper way and has stood the test of time.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...

All my halyards are run to the cockpit.....

Who the heck has a mast winch anymore?

CM

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
| After making the mooring pendant fast one walks to the mast and cast
| off both the main and jib halyards and both sails fall right down.
|
| Poor Katy would have to drop the main with the jenny slapping her
| across the head and shoulders and then go back to the cockpit to
| roll up the stupid wind up sail. Sooooo lubberly, don't cha know?
|
|
| "The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
| Why?
|
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Simple Simon wrote:
| Of course one must
| have hank-on sails for this procedure to work right so
| that leaves you out, honey.
|
|
|
|







SkitchNYC July 21st 03 02:04 AM

Excuse Me Bob but....
 
According to Simp, going to the foredeck and back to the cockpit and then to
the mast is too much moving about and lubberly, and not going forward at all is
not enough moving about and is lubberly, but going to the mast and then forward
and back is just right and seamanlike. Apparently, his rigidity in seamanship
makes up for a lack of it elsewhere.

It is unsafe in a rough sea...

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:
All real sailors do their work at the mast. Leading lines
back to the cockpit is one of the more lubberly practices
that has become accepted lately and it's wrong, just plain
wrong and lubberly. It is done in the name of safety and
that's just plain stupid thinking. There is nothing unsafe
about working at the mast to raise and lower both sails.
It's the proper way and has stood the test of time.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message

...

All my halyards are run to the cockpit.....

Who the heck has a mast winch anymore?

CM

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
| After making the mooring pendant fast one walks to the mast and cast
| off both the main and jib halyards and both sails fall right down.
|
| Poor Katy would have to drop the main with the jenny slapping her
| across the head and shoulders and then go back to the cockpit to
| roll up the stupid wind up sail. Sooooo lubberly, don't cha know?
|
|
| "The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
| Why?
|
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Simple Simon wrote:
| Of course one must
| have hank-on sails for this procedure to work right so
| that leaves you out, honey.
|
|
|
|















CANDChelp July 21st 03 02:26 AM

Excuse Me Bob but....
 
According to Simp, going to the foredeck and back to the cockpit and then to
the mast is too much moving about and lubberly,

Skitch, please let us know when you've acquired a boat.

RB

katysails July 21st 03 03:04 AM

Excuse Me Bob but....
 

Never
used the winch on the mast?

No reason to....we have a Francespar boom which is fully rigged with all sorts of little goodies...we have a vang and the
appropriate hardware for it (clutches for reefing line, outhaul, topping lift) Have used it for the downhaul a couple of
times......we have two coach top winches that we use for the halyards....main can be set as tight as we want from the ciach top
winch without having to go up and yark at the mast....If your boat was rigged with any type of equipment at all you wouldn't
have to rely on antiquated methods to sail....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



katysails July 21st 03 03:07 AM

Excuse Me Bob but....
 

Usually there is a lot of hollering and screaming
going on while the mooring procedure takes place

Like I said...you live in a strange and sad world if that's what you're exposed to all the time...no wonder you're warped.
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein




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