Sir. I understand you are not talking about multihulls, but the very
abomination of them. We usually call these misbreeds, Condomarans. Due to
them looking more like condominiums of course. Trimarans are what we call
monohulls with training wheels. Now a Catamaran, that is a whole new story,
plus they sail in all directions.

Simple Simon wrote:
You certainly have a short little attention span.
I bet your wife is very frustrated. No wonder
you didn't have a kid until your mid-fifties.

I guess it is too much of me to expect anyone
to grasp the concept that mono-hulls have been
plying the waters of the world for thousands
of years while the only multis were a few,
naked South Sea islanders on proas.

I stand by my numbers. I say they are
a fair representation since the "modern"
multi-hull is only about fifty years old and
significant quantities were not produced
until recently when know-nothings needed
a floating condominium for chartering on
week-ends and holidays. These multis
are an abomination. They, in no way,
can be considered anything but a whim
that makes the charter company money.

The main thing that wears out on them is
their oversized motors, generators, refrigerators,
mattresses and dock lines.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
Since several hundred Prouts have circumnavigated, does that mean
the 200,000 monohulls
have done so? Virtually the entire Caribbean charter cat fleet has
at least one major
passage. Even here in New England where cats are traditionally a
rarity they're becoming
more common - in Salem last week I saw about a dozen.

If you had said 20 to one it might have been believable, but 1000 to
one just shows you've
never been anywhere.

You seem to be very terrified of the ocean, Neal. Its a good thing
you stay close to
shore.

BTW, half of the sailboats in my marina are cats. The other
sailboat is a Mac26x.



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

There are probably 1000 mono-hulls that have cruised
the world to every one multi-hull. Even a moron can
figure out and cogently explain to any imbecile so it is
understood that multi-hulls are killing machines all out
of proportion to their numbers.


"Oz1" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:34:25 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:


Doesn't mean a thing unless you can report on all those
similar craft that killed their operators without a trace.

Jesus Cappy, start counting the monos that have gone missing
without
trace, start with Joshua Slocum.....


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
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Simple Simon wrote:
"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
A modern cat is quite a joke.



I agree!

Yes we all know how fond you were of your cat.

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Per, you still plan to buy a big cat?
Scotty

"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message
...

Sir. I understand you are not talking about multihulls, but the very
abomination of them. We usually call these misbreeds, Condomarans. Due to
them looking more like condominiums of course. Trimarans are what we call
monohulls with training wheels. Now a Catamaran, that is a whole new
story,
plus they sail in all directions.

Simple Simon wrote:
You certainly have a short little attention span.
I bet your wife is very frustrated. No wonder
you didn't have a kid until your mid-fifties.

I guess it is too much of me to expect anyone
to grasp the concept that mono-hulls have been
plying the waters of the world for thousands
of years while the only multis were a few,
naked South Sea islanders on proas.

I stand by my numbers. I say they are
a fair representation since the "modern"
multi-hull is only about fifty years old and
significant quantities were not produced
until recently when know-nothings needed
a floating condominium for chartering on
week-ends and holidays. These multis
are an abomination. They, in no way,
can be considered anything but a whim
that makes the charter company money.

The main thing that wears out on them is
their oversized motors, generators, refrigerators,
mattresses and dock lines.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
Since several hundred Prouts have circumnavigated, does that mean
the 200,000 monohulls
have done so? Virtually the entire Caribbean charter cat fleet has
at least one major
passage. Even here in New England where cats are traditionally a
rarity they're becoming
more common - in Salem last week I saw about a dozen.

If you had said 20 to one it might have been believable, but 1000 to
one just shows you've
never been anywhere.

You seem to be very terrified of the ocean, Neal. Its a good thing
you stay close to
shore.

BTW, half of the sailboats in my marina are cats. The other
sailboat is a Mac26x.



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

There are probably 1000 mono-hulls that have cruised
the world to every one multi-hull. Even a moron can
figure out and cogently explain to any imbecile so it is
understood that multi-hulls are killing machines all out
of proportion to their numbers.


"Oz1" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:34:25 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:


Doesn't mean a thing unless you can report on all those
similar craft that killed their operators without a trace.

Jesus Cappy, start counting the monos that have gone missing
without
trace, start with Joshua Slocum.....


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

--
Perre

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Scott Vernon wrote:
Per, you still plan to buy a big cat?
Scotty

Yep.


"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message
...

Sir. I understand you are not talking about multihulls, but the very
abomination of them. We usually call these misbreeds, Condomarans.
Due to them looking more like condominiums of course. Trimarans are
what we call monohulls with training wheels. Now a Catamaran, that
is a whole new story, plus they sail in all directions.

Simple Simon wrote:
You certainly have a short little attention span.
I bet your wife is very frustrated. No wonder
you didn't have a kid until your mid-fifties.

I guess it is too much of me to expect anyone
to grasp the concept that mono-hulls have been
plying the waters of the world for thousands
of years while the only multis were a few,
naked South Sea islanders on proas.

I stand by my numbers. I say they are
a fair representation since the "modern"
multi-hull is only about fifty years old and
significant quantities were not produced
until recently when know-nothings needed
a floating condominium for chartering on
week-ends and holidays. These multis
are an abomination. They, in no way,
can be considered anything but a whim
that makes the charter company money.

The main thing that wears out on them is
their oversized motors, generators, refrigerators,
mattresses and dock lines.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
Since several hundred Prouts have circumnavigated, does that mean
the 200,000 monohulls
have done so? Virtually the entire Caribbean charter cat fleet has
at least one major
passage. Even here in New England where cats are traditionally a
rarity they're becoming
more common - in Salem last week I saw about a dozen.

If you had said 20 to one it might have been believable, but 1000
to one just shows you've
never been anywhere.

You seem to be very terrified of the ocean, Neal. Its a good thing
you stay close to
shore.

BTW, half of the sailboats in my marina are cats. The other
sailboat is a Mac26x.



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

There are probably 1000 mono-hulls that have cruised
the world to every one multi-hull. Even a moron can
figure out and cogently explain to any imbecile so it is
understood that multi-hulls are killing machines all out
of proportion to their numbers.


"Oz1" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:34:25 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:


Doesn't mean a thing unless you can report on all those
similar craft that killed their operators without a trace.

Jesus Cappy, start counting the monos that have gone missing
without
trace, start with Joshua Slocum.....


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

--
Perre

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The_navigator© wrote:
Rubbish

Cheers MC

Per Elmsäter wrote:
Now a Catamaran, that is a whole new story,
plus they sail in all directions.

I agree. They only sail in the horizontal directions. Did I tell you about
the time when I passed a Farr 50 with a 40 ft cat on a beat in about 15
knots of wind. We actually made up 1 min 10 seconds on a 2 nM long upwind
leg. The mono had a professional crew, carbon sails and all the fireworks
that go with a rich mans racer.

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Perre

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Happens all the time. You were not on the same course...

Cheers MC

Per Elmsäter wrote:
The_navigator© wrote:

Rubbish

Cheers MC

Per Elmsäter wrote:

Now a Catamaran, that is a whole new story,
plus they sail in all directions.


I agree. They only sail in the horizontal directions. Did I tell you about
the time when I passed a Farr 50 with a 40 ft cat on a beat in about 15
knots of wind. We actually made up 1 min 10 seconds on a 2 nM long upwind
leg. The mono had a professional crew, carbon sails and all the fireworks
that go with a rich mans racer.

--
Perre

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Hoohooo hoooo.
No this was in a race and we where definitely going around the same course.
The boat I am speaking of happen to be King Harald of Norways, Fram XVI. A
Farr 50 ft design with carbon sails. According to the papers he paid about
$1.5 million for it. The standard production TRT1200, a 40 ft Cat with
Kevlar sails sells for about $230 k. It was sailed by the
Constructor/Designer and one mate. On board were another four prospective
customers with big grins on their faces. Our top speed of the day was 25
knots in maybe 16-18 knots of wind.


The_navigator© wrote:
Happens all the time. You were not on the same course...

Cheers MC

Per Elmsäter wrote:
The_navigator© wrote:

Rubbish

Cheers MC

Per Elmsäter wrote:

Now a Catamaran, that is a whole new story,
plus they sail in all directions.


I agree. They only sail in the horizontal directions. Did I tell you
about the time when I passed a Farr 50 with a 40 ft cat on a beat in
about 15 knots of wind. We actually made up 1 min 10 seconds on a 2
nM long upwind leg. The mono had a professional crew, carbon sails
and all the fireworks that go with a rich mans racer.

--
Perre

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The_navigator© wrote:
So you are claiming you outpointed a Farr 50?

Cheers MC


Don't worry MC
We didn't outpoint her, but we didn't get outpointed by much either. However
we made better VMG on the upwind leg. Going around the buoy into the upwind
leg, we where 1'50" behind. her. When going onto the next leg we where 40"
behind. We both went up pretty much the same side of the course and caught
the same windshifts. It was about 2 nM between the buoys and the winds where
app 15 knots. After the upwind buoy we both fell off about 20 degrees and
passed her to windward within a couple of cables going lots faster.
The reason we where behind in the first place is of course that we started
10 min later. On the 16 nM course we had a 12 min better time total. She was
of course the only boat we didn't pass within the first 15-30 minutes.


Per Elmsäter wrote:
Hoohooo hoooo.
No this was in a race and we where definitely going around the same
course. The boat I am speaking of happen to be King Harald of
Norways, Fram XVI. A Farr 50 ft design with carbon sails. According
to the papers he paid about $1.5 million for it. The standard
production TRT1200, a 40 ft Cat with Kevlar sails sells for about
$230 k. It was sailed by the Constructor/Designer and one mate. On
board were another four prospective customers with big grins on
their faces. Our top speed of the day was 25 knots in maybe 16-18
knots of wind.


The_navigator© wrote:

Happens all the time. You were not on the same course...

Cheers MC

Per Elmsäter wrote:

The_navigator© wrote:


Rubbish

Cheers MC

Per Elmsäter wrote:


Now a Catamaran, that is a whole new story,
plus they sail in all directions.

I agree. They only sail in the horizontal directions. Did I tell
you about the time when I passed a Farr 50 with a 40 ft cat on a
beat in about 15 knots of wind. We actually made up 1 min 10
seconds on a 2
nM long upwind leg. The mono had a professional crew, carbon sails
and all the fireworks that go with a rich mans racer.

--
Perre

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--
Perre

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"Per Elmsäter" wrote


, we where 1'50" behind. her.

1 foot, 50 inches? That's close!

Scotty

Scott Vernon wrote:
"Per Elmsäter" wrote


, we where 1'50" behind. her.

1 foot, 50 inches? That's close!

Scotty

And just gaining 22 inches at that. Why am I going through the hazzle of
explaining this?

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