Well, I can certainly see why you're paranoid up there in
Canada. Those people are pretty strange. Maybe the moose
*are* as dangerous as they say. Do they swim out to you
or do you solicit them?

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
| I've sailed in a lot
| of places, and none of them waranted caring firearms.

Yeah Okay.... California and the BVI's hardly rate as "a lot of places"
Ganz.
I carry an assault shotgun... It doubles as a line launcher with the kit
from Mossberg.

Nonetheless most people should not carry guns aboard since very few have a
grasp on their use and consequences. This Danny Taddei is your exact polar
opposite.... neither of you have a clue regarding use and deployment of a
firearm. Both of you should be banned from owning one.

CM

No... we got big problems with marine Bearcats! Nasty things... the only
way to stop them is a shotgun at close range.

CM

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
| Well, I can certainly see why you're paranoid up there in
| Canada. Those people are pretty strange. Maybe the moose
| *are* as dangerous as they say. Do they swim out to you
| or do you solicit them?
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
|
| "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
| | I've sailed in a lot
| | of places, and none of them waranted caring firearms.
|
| Yeah Okay.... California and the BVI's hardly rate as "a lot of places"
| Ganz.
| I carry an assault shotgun... It doubles as a line launcher with the kit
| from Mossberg.
|
| Nonetheless most people should not carry guns aboard since very few have
a
| grasp on their use and consequences. This Danny Taddei is your exact
polar
| opposite.... neither of you have a clue regarding use and deployment of
a
| firearm. Both of you should be banned from owning one.
|
| CM
|
|
|
|
|

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
No... we got big problems with marine Bearcats! Nasty things... the only
way to stop them is a shotgun at close range.

Thought you'd carry a firearm to get a seal or 2. Works for fishermen
down here, long as there are no bleeding hearts about. Or sharks if
you're into 'sport' fishing. Personally I prefer a gillnet and a few
drinks to trolling or baiting fish (unlike a lot of people on this
n/g).

I'd think about carrying a shotgun or rifle aboard if I had the space,
but not for defence against pirates or thieves - vanishingly unlikely
need. Firearms are occasionally very useful tools and it depends what
you're doing, where the utility lies. In fact I have a rifle safe
aboard ship.

Peter Wiley

CM

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
| Well, I can certainly see why you're paranoid up there in
| Canada. Those people are pretty strange. Maybe the moose
| *are* as dangerous as they say. Do they swim out to you
| or do you solicit them?
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
|
| "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
| | I've sailed in a lot
| | of places, and none of them waranted caring firearms.
|
| Yeah Okay.... California and the BVI's hardly rate as "a lot of places"
| Ganz.
| I carry an assault shotgun... It doubles as a line launcher with the kit
| from Mossberg.
|
| Nonetheless most people should not carry guns aboard since very few have
a
| grasp on their use and consequences. This Danny Taddei is your exact
polar
| opposite.... neither of you have a clue regarding use and deployment of
a
| firearm. Both of you should be banned from owning one.
|
| CM
|
|
|
|
|

Well of course.... but the problem with a mentality about firearms like Ganz
has stemmed from media reports and no actual experience. I was taught to
handle firearms when I was 5 years old. I've always had them and have never
considered them more than a tool. Like a knife they have to be treated with
caution and respect.

I use a parkerized police model 12ga Mossberg because of the weight, style
and load capabilities. It's a pump and I like pump actions. It has the
ability to change barrels and can be altered with a barrel kit and insert to
fire special loads for firing the line launcher. This launcher kit is
excellent aboard a boat and can deliver an 1/8" heaving line to 200 meters.

Like I said before in this thread... the 2 worst prospects for guns aboard
are the "Rambos" and the "Wimps" . The Rambos think a gun will get them out
of any trouble and the wimps think it will get them into all the trouble.

As a survival tool a shotgun can't be beat. Cut the shells to have gunpowder
to start a fire. The sound of the gun fired in the international distress
code of 3 shots can be heard for miles. Food can be secured and self defense
capabilities are increased. I don't view self defense against people...
because were I have been the animals are way hungrier.

If you want to avoid "trouble" when sailing... use your wits.. not a gun.
Avoidance is by far the best defense. Never shoot at something you cannot
positively identify. Never use a firearm as a bluff or deterrent.... if it's
use is required it should be unseen, unexpected and direly required. I can't
remember too many occasions where that scenario has occurred.

Sir Peter Blake was a prime example of how not to use a firearm. I use #9
copper coated bird shot for in house rounds and since I reload my own shells
I reduce the powder load to allow it to just penetrate a piece of plywood to
below the veneer at 10 paces. Unfortunately my reloader and shotgun are
currently in a secure location at a cabin in the NWT. I'm having it shipped
down next week. Damn gun control and registration is screwing things up.

"This year will go down in history- for the first time, a civilized nation
has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more
efficient,
and the world will follow our lead into the future!"

ADOLPH HITLER, 1935


CM




"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
om...
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
| No... we got big problems with marine Bearcats! Nasty things... the
only
| way to stop them is a shotgun at close range.
|
| Thought you'd carry a firearm to get a seal or 2. Works for fishermen
| down here, long as there are no bleeding hearts about. Or sharks if
| you're into 'sport' fishing. Personally I prefer a gillnet and a few
| drinks to trolling or baiting fish (unlike a lot of people on this
| n/g).
|
| I'd think about carrying a shotgun or rifle aboard if I had the space,
| but not for defence against pirates or thieves - vanishingly unlikely
| need. Firearms are occasionally very useful tools and it depends what
| you're doing, where the utility lies. In fact I have a rifle safe
| aboard ship.
|
| Peter Wiley
|
| CM
|
| "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
| ...
| | Well, I can certainly see why you're paranoid up there in
| | Canada. Those people are pretty strange. Maybe the moose
| | *are* as dangerous as they say. Do they swim out to you
| | or do you solicit them?
| |
| | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| | ...
| |
| | "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
| | | I've sailed in a lot
| | | of places, and none of them waranted caring firearms.
| |
| | Yeah Okay.... California and the BVI's hardly rate as "a lot of
places"
| | Ganz.
| | I carry an assault shotgun... It doubles as a line launcher with the
kit
| | from Mossberg.
| |
| | Nonetheless most people should not carry guns aboard since very few
have
| a
| | grasp on their use and consequences. This Danny Taddei is your exact
| polar
| | opposite.... neither of you have a clue regarding use and
deployment of
| a
| | firearm. Both of you should be banned from owning one.
| |
| | CM
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |

Somewhere the wrong message was sent. I have a similar upbringing and
opinion to guns as you. I pray I never have to use one but have been in
a position to need one. They are tools and when a 12ga shell costs less
then a $30 lure that a shark decides to eat along with your catch it
actually starts to be a good investment too.

The parkerized finishes by the way don't help the inside so you still
will end up with a stick of rust over time - but the same is true for
the so called stainless steel models that are only SS on the outside.

Capt. Mooron wrote:
Well of course.... but the problem with a mentality about firearms like Ganz
has stemmed from media reports and no actual experience. I was taught to
handle firearms when I was 5 years old. I've always had them and have never
considered them more than a tool. Like a knife they have to be treated with
caution and respect.

I use a parkerized police model 12ga Mossberg because of the weight, style
and load capabilities. It's a pump and I like pump actions. It has the
ability to change barrels and can be altered with a barrel kit and insert to
fire special loads for firing the line launcher. This launcher kit is
excellent aboard a boat and can deliver an 1/8" heaving line to 200 meters.

Like I said before in this thread... the 2 worst prospects for guns aboard
are the "Rambos" and the "Wimps" . The Rambos think a gun will get them out
of any trouble and the wimps think it will get them into all the trouble.

As a survival tool a shotgun can't be beat. Cut the shells to have gunpowder
to start a fire. The sound of the gun fired in the international distress
code of 3 shots can be heard for miles. Food can be secured and self defense
capabilities are increased. I don't view self defense against people...
because were I have been the animals are way hungrier.

If you want to avoid "trouble" when sailing... use your wits.. not a gun.
Avoidance is by far the best defense. Never shoot at something you cannot
positively identify. Never use a firearm as a bluff or deterrent.... if it's
use is required it should be unseen, unexpected and direly required. I can't
remember too many occasions where that scenario has occurred.

Sir Peter Blake was a prime example of how not to use a firearm. I use #9
copper coated bird shot for in house rounds and since I reload my own shells
I reduce the powder load to allow it to just penetrate a piece of plywood to
below the veneer at 10 paces. Unfortunately my reloader and shotgun are
currently in a secure location at a cabin in the NWT. I'm having it shipped
down next week. Damn gun control and registration is screwing things up.

"This year will go down in history- for the first time, a civilized nation
has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more
efficient,
and the world will follow our lead into the future!"

ADOLPH HITLER, 1935


CM




"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
om...
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
| No... we got big problems with marine Bearcats! Nasty things... the
only
| way to stop them is a shotgun at close range.
|
| Thought you'd carry a firearm to get a seal or 2. Works for fishermen
| down here, long as there are no bleeding hearts about. Or sharks if
| you're into 'sport' fishing. Personally I prefer a gillnet and a few
| drinks to trolling or baiting fish (unlike a lot of people on this
| n/g).
|
| I'd think about carrying a shotgun or rifle aboard if I had the space,
| but not for defence against pirates or thieves - vanishingly unlikely
| need. Firearms are occasionally very useful tools and it depends what
| you're doing, where the utility lies. In fact I have a rifle safe
| aboard ship.
|
| Peter Wiley
|
| CM
|
| "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
| ...
| | Well, I can certainly see why you're paranoid up there in
| | Canada. Those people are pretty strange. Maybe the moose
| | *are* as dangerous as they say. Do they swim out to you
| | or do you solicit them?
| |
| | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| | ...
| |
| | "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
| | | I've sailed in a lot
| | | of places, and none of them waranted caring firearms.
| |
| | Yeah Okay.... California and the BVI's hardly rate as "a lot of
places"
| | Ganz.
| | I carry an assault shotgun... It doubles as a line launcher with the
kit
| | from Mossberg.
| |
| | Nonetheless most people should not carry guns aboard since very few
have
| a
| | grasp on their use and consequences. This Danny Taddei is your exact
| polar
| | opposite.... neither of you have a clue regarding use and
deployment of
| a
| | firearm. Both of you should be banned from owning one.
| |
| | CM
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |




--
Danny Taddei
e-mail me at (remove no-worms-in-a-)
There's a horizon on every side. Let your soul inside be the guide and
lead the way.
http://members.cox.net/sandycove/index.html

Wrong again. I've had similar experience. I own three right now,
two rifles and a handgun.

I don't keep any of them on my boat. (Of course, I'm only sailing
in the bay, so the chances of running across a dangerous iguana
is pretty small.)

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news
Well of course.... but the problem with a mentality about firearms like
Ganz
has stemmed from media reports and no actual experience. I was taught to
handle firearms when I was 5 years old. I've always had them and have
never
considered them more than a tool. Like a knife they have to be treated
with
caution and respect.

I use a parkerized police model 12ga Mossberg because of the weight, style
and load capabilities. It's a pump and I like pump actions. It has the
ability to change barrels and can be altered with a barrel kit and insert
to
fire special loads for firing the line launcher. This launcher kit is
excellent aboard a boat and can deliver an 1/8" heaving line to 200
meters.

Like I said before in this thread... the 2 worst prospects for guns aboard
are the "Rambos" and the "Wimps" . The Rambos think a gun will get them
out
of any trouble and the wimps think it will get them into all the trouble.

As a survival tool a shotgun can't be beat. Cut the shells to have
gunpowder
to start a fire. The sound of the gun fired in the international distress
code of 3 shots can be heard for miles. Food can be secured and self
defense
capabilities are increased. I don't view self defense against people...
because were I have been the animals are way hungrier.

If you want to avoid "trouble" when sailing... use your wits.. not a gun.
Avoidance is by far the best defense. Never shoot at something you cannot
positively identify. Never use a firearm as a bluff or deterrent.... if
it's
use is required it should be unseen, unexpected and direly required. I
can't
remember too many occasions where that scenario has occurred.

Sir Peter Blake was a prime example of how not to use a firearm. I use #9
copper coated bird shot for in house rounds and since I reload my own
shells
I reduce the powder load to allow it to just penetrate a piece of plywood
to
below the veneer at 10 paces. Unfortunately my reloader and shotgun are
currently in a secure location at a cabin in the NWT. I'm having it
shipped
down next week. Damn gun control and registration is screwing things up.

"This year will go down in history- for the first time, a civilized nation
has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more
efficient,
and the world will follow our lead into the future!"

ADOLPH HITLER, 1935


CM




"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
om...
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
| No... we got big problems with marine Bearcats! Nasty things... the
only
| way to stop them is a shotgun at close range.
|
| Thought you'd carry a firearm to get a seal or 2. Works for fishermen
| down here, long as there are no bleeding hearts about. Or sharks if
| you're into 'sport' fishing. Personally I prefer a gillnet and a few
| drinks to trolling or baiting fish (unlike a lot of people on this
| n/g).
|
| I'd think about carrying a shotgun or rifle aboard if I had the space,
| but not for defence against pirates or thieves - vanishingly unlikely
| need. Firearms are occasionally very useful tools and it depends what
| you're doing, where the utility lies. In fact I have a rifle safe
| aboard ship.
|
| Peter Wiley
|
| CM
|
| "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
| ...
| | Well, I can certainly see why you're paranoid up there in
| | Canada. Those people are pretty strange. Maybe the moose
| | *are* as dangerous as they say. Do they swim out to you
| | or do you solicit them?
| |
| | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| | ...
| |
| | "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
| | | I've sailed in a lot
| | | of places, and none of them waranted caring firearms.
| |
| | Yeah Okay.... California and the BVI's hardly rate as "a lot of
places"
| | Ganz.
| | I carry an assault shotgun... It doubles as a line launcher with
the
kit
| | from Mossberg.
| |
| | Nonetheless most people should not carry guns aboard since very
few
have
| a
| | grasp on their use and consequences. This Danny Taddei is your
exact
| polar
| | opposite.... neither of you have a clue regarding use and
deployment of
| a
| | firearm. Both of you should be banned from owning one.
| |
| | CM
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
Well of course.... but the problem with a mentality about firearms like Ganz
has stemmed from media reports and no actual experience. I was taught to
handle firearms when I was 5 years old. I've always had them and have never
considered them more than a tool. Like a knife they have to be treated with
caution and respect.

Like I said before in this thread... the 2 worst prospects for guns aboard
are the "Rambos" and the "Wimps" . The Rambos think a gun will get them out
of any trouble and the wimps think it will get them into all the trouble.

As a survival tool a shotgun can't be beat. Cut the shells to have gunpowder
to start a fire. The sound of the gun fired in the international distress
code of 3 shots can be heard for miles. Food can be secured and self defense
capabilities are increased. I don't view self defense against people...
because were I have been the animals are way hungrier.

If you want to avoid "trouble" when sailing... use your wits.. not a gun.
Avoidance is by far the best defense. Never shoot at something you cannot
positively identify. Never use a firearm as a bluff or deterrent.... if it's
use is required it should be unseen, unexpected and direly required. I can't
remember too many occasions where that scenario has occurred.

Sir Peter Blake was a prime example of how not to use a firearm. I use #9
copper coated bird shot for in house rounds and since I reload my own shells
I reduce the powder load to allow it to just penetrate a piece of plywood to
below the veneer at 10 paces. Unfortunately my reloader and shotgun are
currently in a secure location at a cabin in the NWT. I'm having it shipped
down next week. Damn gun control and registration is screwing things up.

Agreed. Learnt to shoot as a kid. Always owned guns, used to carry
when working in the NT back in the 80's - crocodiles. I've never
pointed a gun at a person and hope never to need to; I've seen what
they can do. But if you ever do, you point & shoot, not wave it about,
and if you're not gonna do that - don't even think of 'scaring'
someone. They may not scare and now you have a bigger problem.

Back to cannon, I'm in Sydney in a couple weeks. See what I can dig
up. IIRC, there was some heavy wall pipe about perfect for a patched
golf ball.

Peter Wiley

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
| Back to cannon, I'm in Sydney in a couple weeks. See what I can dig
| up. IIRC, there was some heavy wall pipe about perfect for a patched
| golf ball.

I was over to the metal supply shop and the owner showed me this beautiful
piece of brass... cylindrical 6" diameter stock, 36 inches long, solid and
ready for the lathe.... man o man could you ever mill that piece down to a
wonderful canon.

CM

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
| Back to cannon, I'm in Sydney in a couple weeks. See what I can dig
| up. IIRC, there was some heavy wall pipe about perfect for a patched
| golf ball.

I was over to the metal supply shop and the owner showed me this beautiful
piece of brass... cylindrical 6" diameter stock, 36 inches long, solid and
ready for the lathe.... man o man could you ever mill that piece down to a
wonderful canon.

Yeah, but the problem is attaching the trunnions securely enough to
take the recoil. With steel, you can press fit then weld them on and
with BP propellant it'll be plenty strong enough. Brass, you'd have to
counterbore, press fit with a good anaerobic glue (ie Loctite) but the
forces are still gonna try to loosen the bond. Probably OK for
occasional use and appearance-wise, beautiful. Small brass cannon are
made this way and seem to stay intact. Maybe you could TIG weld the
trunnions; I've done fusion welding on brass and if you're careful
about inert gases, you can do it without the zinc boiling out.

Pity you're so far away. I have wooden patterns for a 6 pounder 1805
Naval gun that I used for my cast iron ones. Get a brass casting done.

My shop here at work recently took a metre of 235mm OD solid marine
grade aluminium and bored it out to 175mm ID for a pressure vessel
(underwater camera pressure case good to 2000m depth). Kept the
apprentice busy for quite a while & generated 2 200l drums of swarf.
Your brass cannon from solid is quite feasible and would keep you busy
next winter. That's in about 3 weeks from now, I understand :-)

Snowing on Mt Wellington this morning so I better not push it.....

Peter Wiley