Hello,

I have been learning to surf. I find if I get turned over in fairly
shallow water I can't roll back upright. I can roll if the water is
deeper.

Any suggestions anybody?

Bernie

Speaking just for myself Bernie, I have found that just hanging around
until you have sorted yourself out does it. Generally you can just roll
up using the sand as if it were water. Sometimes you are lying on the
wrong side and then you just have to look like a tit and work it out. I
can roll both sides but if you start with your blades on the wrong side
you are stuffed IMHO and you just have to use your hands!
Of course if you bail out _before_ you get spanked it helps but if anyone
has a tip as to how to always do that I would be listening!

Cheers

David

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(Bernie Inakayak) wrote:

*Subject:* How do you roll up in very shallow water?
*From:* "Bernie Inakayak"
*Date:* 29 Sep 2005 12:59:21 -0700

Hello,

I have been learning to surf. I find if I get turned over in fairly
shallow water I can't roll back upright. I can roll if the water is
deeper.

Any suggestions anybody?

Bernie

"David Bulpitt" wrote in message
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Speaking just for myself Bernie, I have found that just hanging around
until you have sorted yourself out does it. Generally you can just roll
up using the sand as if it were water. Sometimes you are lying on the
wrong side and then you just have to look like a tit and work it out. I
can roll both sides but if you start with your blades on the wrong side
you are stuffed IMHO and you just have to use your hands!
Of course if you bail out _before_ you get spanked it helps but if anyone
has a tip as to how to always do that I would be listening!

Cheers

David

In article . com,
(Bernie Inakayak) wrote:

*Subject:* How do you roll up in very shallow water?
*From:* "Bernie Inakayak"
*Date:* 29 Sep 2005 12:59:21 -0700

Hello,

I have been learning to surf. I find if I get turned over in fairly
shallow water I can't roll back upright. I can roll if the water is
deeper.

Any suggestions anybody?

Bernie


A Punt off the bottom IMHO is perfectly acceptable. A roll is anything that
gets you back upright.

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"David Bulpitt" wrote in message
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Speaking just for myself Bernie, I have found that just hanging around
until you have sorted yourself out does it. Generally you can just roll
up using the sand as if it were water. Sometimes you are lying on the
wrong side and then you just have to look like a tit and work it out. I
can roll both sides but if you start with your blades on the wrong side
you are stuffed IMHO and you just have to use your hands!
Of course if you bail out _before_ you get spanked it helps but if
anyone
has a tip as to how to always do that I would be listening!

Cheers

David

In article . com,
(Bernie Inakayak) wrote:

*Subject:* How do you roll up in very shallow water?
*From:* "Bernie Inakayak"
*Date:* 29 Sep 2005 12:59:21 -0700

Hello,

I have been learning to surf. I find if I get turned over in fairly
shallow water I can't roll back upright. I can roll if the water is
deeper.

Any suggestions anybody?

Bernie


A Punt off the bottom IMHO is perfectly acceptable. A roll is anything
that
gets you back upright.

I'd agree. it's nice to be technically perfect and do it all "by the book",
but if punting off the borrom gets you upright then that's the way to do it.

Ewan Scott

Ewan Scott wrote:

I'd agree. it's nice to be technically perfect and do it all "by the book",
but if punting off the borrom gets you upright then that's the way to do it.

I call them "pole rolls". Work for me. And a pal doing her 5* training
uses them quite proficiently in shallow surf soup, they're not just for
beginners!

Not something I set out to do, but if while trying to sort myself out I
come across the bottom it's just something I do naturally.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

What is it about them that means they're not for beginners Peter?

Bernie (beginner, pretty much)

Oh I know that feeling!

Have you ever seen William Nealy's book on white water paddling? I am
pretty sure it has diagrams showing a very simple style of combat roll. I
feel that a simple combat roll, starting leaning as far forward as you can
(keeping your face out of harms way)and then a short sweep/stroke of the
paddle bringing across the boat is effective. You need a serious hip
flick but the blade ends beside you (protecting your shoulder) in position
for a stroke or support and your shoulder and face are protected all the
time. The key to initiating it is dropping your steadying hand as near
below your boat as you can so that as you start to sweep the blade out
with your other hand, the "passive" blade actually goes under the hull so
that everything is kept tight.

This can actually be practised lying on your side in shallow water so you
get the feel for the blade movement.

You will I am sure get there really quickly - everyone I know with your
sort of determination does!

Cheers

David

In article .com,
(Bernie Inakayak) wrote:

*Subject:* How do you roll up in very shallow water?
*From:* "Bernie Inakayak"
*Date:* 30 Sep 2005 02:06:06 -0700

Thanks for the responses so far.

David. "Just hanging around until you have sorted yourself out does
it".

I had to laugh. I decided to ask this question yesterday evening, when
I was doing exactly this, hanging around, upside down under the boat,
furious, with my head bumping gently off the bottom. If I try to use
the paddle as a punt I find I can nearly get up, but I just can't get
the boat upright because my hands are on the paddle and too far off to
the side. I tried to use my hands, but really it was the same problem,
hands are on the bottom so I can't lie back to lower my centre of
gravity or the hands come off the bottom.

I've practiced trying to roll up when I am on dry land, I seem to be
able to manage that, but put me in 2 foot of water and I am stuffed.

Bernie

Thanks for the encouragement David. I was surfing yesterday in my
biggest waves yet, 4-5 feet, and I didn't actually manage to capsize
accidentally in the shallows so I could have a practice, and for some
reason I didn't fancy volunteering!

I've just ordered the Nealy book, seemed like a good read.

Cheers,

Bernie

How do you roll up in very shallow water?

get some waterproof rizzlas!

sorry!
--
Kind regards


Steve Bury




"Bernie Inakayak" wrote in message
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Hello,

I have been learning to surf. I find if I get turned over in fairly
shallow water I can't roll back upright. I can roll if the water is
deeper.

Any suggestions anybody?

Bernie