Cyli wrote:
On 20 Mar 2005 22:31:55 -0800, "Tinkerntom" wrote:

(snipped)

We should probably start him off with some papyrus reeds! TnT

Is there, by the way, a midwestern US equivalent of papyrus reeds?
It'd be fun to float down river in for an overnighter on an island.
Especially if it were a day that the aluminum hatch was headed
downstream, too. More fun than doing willows and a tarp, which I
have
contemplated a time or two.


Cyli
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I have a Folbot, SOF, so I expect that willow and tarp should work just
fine if done right.

Reminds me of the Tom Hanks movie, when he was stranded on the island.
He had plenty of smaller pieces of wood branches, with the mylar tape,
and the old life raft, any good boy scout should have been able to form
a serviceable boat that would have been better than his raft. Oh well
he made it back to civilization, so I guess alls well that ends well.

I don't know whether cat-tail reeds would float when dried. We could
suggest that frtzw use them and let him find out for the rest of us
whether they would work or not. Naw, that would be mean, he'd probably
get wet and then be mad at the rest of us! Besides I am getting to like
the guy, and nice guys are hard to come by these days. TnT

Tink says:
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I don't know whether cat-tail reeds would float when dried. We could
suggest that frtzw use them and let him find out for the rest of us
whether they would work or not. Naw, that would be mean, he'd probably
get wet and then be mad at the rest of us! Besides I am getting to like
the guy, and nice guys are hard to come by these days. TnT
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C'mon you guys! I'm in the land of the tall cedar. Why would I want to
mess with reeds, branches, etc. I'll just chop me a big old cedar,
hollow it out, and go for a quick paddle... with 10 or 12 buddlies.

Cheers,
Wilf

BCITORGB wrote:
Tink says:
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I don't know whether cat-tail reeds would float when dried. We could
suggest that frtzw use them and let him find out for the rest of us
whether they would work or not. Naw, that would be mean, he'd
probably
get wet and then be mad at the rest of us! Besides I am getting to
like
the guy, and nice guys are hard to come by these days. TnT
==============

C'mon you guys! I'm in the land of the tall cedar. Why would I want
to
mess with reeds, branches, etc. I'll just chop me a big old cedar,
hollow it out, and go for a quick paddle... with 10 or 12 buddlies.

Cheers,
Wilf

I assume your buddies are not tree-huggers?

Now if the tree is in the public forest, you have to also look out for
public servants with thick ticket pads that they issue for cutting down
trees.

So if you insist, you will probably want to restrict yourself to
cutting down one of your own trees on your own acreage up there. Then
you only have to worry about it landing on you, your car, your house,
your neighbors... Anyway you get my drift, you might want to stick with
reeds!

Besides, for some one that is power-tool challenged, can you say chain
saw? TnT

Tink:
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I assume your buddies are not tree-huggers?... So if you insist, you
will probably want to restrict yourself to cutting down one of your own
trees on your own acreage up there. ...
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Hmmm... good point....

In my municipality, where most people live on a slope, with "potential"
view property, everyone is a tree-hugger when it comes to trees above
their lot, and a logger as far as trees on the downhill side are
concerned. Here, you cannot cut trees (even on your own lot) without
prior consultation with the city arborist and then city permission
(which is damned hard to get!).

We've had way too many instances in the past of trees disappearing in
some kind of "cut and run" operation as people seek to create views
where none existed before. Fines can run as high as $20,000 per tree
(cheap in the minds of developers if it creates $250,000 worth of
view).

So, Tink, maybe I'll try reeds (not that any grow here).

frtzw906

On 21-Mar-2005, "BCITORGB" wrote:

We've had way too many instances in the past of trees disappearing in
some kind of "cut and run" operation as people seek to create views
where none existed before. Fines can run as high as $20,000 per tree
(cheap in the minds of developers if it creates $250,000 worth of
view).

Creating a view might also create an erosion and hillside instability
problem too. Not something very many people worry about til the
lawsuits roll in.

Mike

Michael Daly wrote:
On 21-Mar-2005, "BCITORGB" wrote:

We've had way too many instances in the past of trees disappearing
in
some kind of "cut and run" operation as people seek to create views
where none existed before. Fines can run as high as $20,000 per
tree
(cheap in the minds of developers if it creates $250,000 worth of
view).

Creating a view might also create an erosion and hillside instability
problem too. Not something very many people worry about til the
lawsuits roll in.

Mike

My take on this Mike is that the neighbors might be willing to pay for
your kayak though if you do the "cut and run" routine. That way they
get the view, frtzw gets his kayak, city gets its $20,000. Everyone is
happy!

The only problem I see with this gets back to the chain saw and frtzw.
He has labored under the previous recent project, being power tool
challenged. Now I have not yet seen a picture of frtzw, so I may be
wrong on this point, but judging from what I've heard! The part about
short and pudge may be a factor as well.

I heard one time, " Those who can run play field hockey, those who
can't, coach." Now combining my wealth of information, I really have a
strange picture of frtzw running through the trees carrying a chain saw
after he cuts down the neighbors tree. TnT

Mike:
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Creating a view might also create an erosion and hillside instability
problem too. Not something very many people worry about til the
lawsuits roll in.
==============

For sure! In a suburb just east of Vancouver, most (all) trees were cut
down before constructing monster homes with a view. Now, when it rains
(which is very often around here), the streets running downhill become
torrents of water. It's a disaster waiting to happen.

Wilf

BCITORGB wrote:
Tink:
===================
I assume your buddies are not tree-huggers?... So if you insist, you
will probably want to restrict yourself to cutting down one of your
own
trees on your own acreage up there. ...
=====

Hmmm... good point....

In my municipality, where most people live on a slope, with
"potential"
view property, everyone is a tree-hugger when it comes to trees above
their lot, and a logger as far as trees on the downhill side are
concerned. Here, you cannot cut trees (even on your own lot) without
prior consultation with the city arborist and then city permission
(which is damned hard to get!).

We've had way too many instances in the past of trees disappearing in
some kind of "cut and run" operation as people seek to create views
where none existed before. Fines can run as high as $20,000 per tree
(cheap in the minds of developers if it creates $250,000 worth of
view).

So, Tink, maybe I'll try reeds (not that any grow here).

frtzw906

$20,000 would get you started on a pretty complete kayak rig! You know
pursuit car with racks, matching paint job to kayak, chaffeur, porter
to carry kayak on portages, and cooler with beer, pizza still delivered
in remote bay by helicopter/pizza delivery service. Now that would be
fun! You got any more money to spend, I'm sure we could figure out some
worthwhile and justifiable expenses. TnT

BCITORGB wrote:
Tink:
===================
I assume your buddies are not tree-huggers?... So if you insist, you
will probably want to restrict yourself to cutting down one of your
own
trees on your own acreage up there. ...
=====

Hmmm... good point....

In my municipality, where most people live on a slope, with
"potential"
view property, everyone is a tree-hugger when it comes to trees above
their lot, and a logger as far as trees on the downhill side are
concerned. Here, you cannot cut trees (even on your own lot) without
prior consultation with the city arborist and then city permission
(which is damned hard to get!).

We've had way too many instances in the past of trees disappearing in
some kind of "cut and run" operation as people seek to create views
where none existed before. Fines can run as high as $20,000 per tree
(cheap in the minds of developers if it creates $250,000 worth of
view).

So, Tink, maybe I'll try reeds (not that any grow here).

frtzw906

frtzw, I know I will pay for all this, but I am having too much fun!

Did you ever hear about the Canadian woodcutter. He had been laboring
for his whole life cutting firewood. One day he heard about the
miraculous invention called a chainsaw. Well a few days later, he
finally broke down and went into town and bought himself a chainsaw.
From all he was told, he figured he would triple the amount of wood
that he would be able to cut, and the nice man at the chain saw store
guaranteed it in writing, or money back.

So he went back to work the next day, and he really worked up a storm,
but it was really dissapointing. The best he could do was about the
same as he had always done. But being a good Canadian, he wasn't ready
to give up and get mad at the nice man in the store, so he doubled his
effort. But alas, again the same frustrating results. After a week of
this, he finally gave up, and on his day off went bck into town to get
his money back for the chainsaw, since it was guaranteed.

He explained the situation to the nice man at the store, who said no
problem, but let me check out the saw first if there is any readily
visable problem. It seemed sharp enough as he checked the blade, so he
pulled the starter rope and it started easily and with a strong roar.

The Canadian woodsman, hearing the roar, was a little surprised, and
said,"What is that noise!" TnT

Tink jokes:
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The Canadian woodsman, hearing the roar, was a little surprised, and
said,"What is that noise!" TnT
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Chalis tabernac! But out west, here, the woodsman in the story is from
Quebec. Then you get to tell the story with thick French accent, eh?

frtzw906