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			John Fereira  wrote in message   ... 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
	"Michael Daly" wrote in : The Explorer is everything _except_ a fast kayak. One of the best all- round kayaks out there. Check out the Boreal Designs Ellemere as well if you like the Explorer. I've heard many compare the Ellsemere to the Caribou too. It has an aggressively molded seat so if it fits the shape of your butt it's going to be real comfortable. I found a dealer in Plymouth, MA who has Ellsemere and Surge Marine. His demo spot is on a large inland lake. Patriots's Day in MA there were up to 40 mi/hr gusts and strong chop on the lake. I asked the dealer which boat was more stable and when he replied Surge decided to demo it even though I had come down for the Ellesmere. The dock and lake were roiling and I had not a little fear in my heart when I pulled away. The Surge knifed through the chop nicely and didn't seem to mind the wind. I wasn't brave enough to try edging under the conditions and after less than 15 backed it into the dock and was happy to be off the water. While I announced to my host that I didn't think I was up for any more demoing today he suggested I at least sit in the Ellesmere. That was enough for me, unless I was interested in strong prostate stimulation along with my paddling, I did not like that seat with the raised prostate bumb in the middle. What were those Quebec folks thinking? Speaking of seats, the next day I spent an hour in a WS Tempest 170 pro. More tractable conditions up to 20 Mi /hr gusts and some current on the Charles river. I found the seat and outfitting to be most impressive and comfortable. the boat however was more affected by wind than I would have liked and I found myself employing the skeg a lot going downwind and even needed it going upwind occassionally. Stability seemed excellent . Well I won't buy a boat just because I like the seat, but I won't buy a boat either which has a seat I hate. I'm thinking now that maybe I'd be better off spending all this time demoing other boats on paddling my own boat and trying to improve my skills. After all how can you appreciate what a performance boat has to offer if you're not willing to push it. thanks to all who have responded. I value your opinions.----Cheers Gene So where I sit now it's either the Caribou S, a smaller Gulfstream if that exists Slipstream - but that may be tippy for someone your size. There's also an Andromeda, but I found that to be a dreadful kayak. At a symposium last year a few people were talking about the Andromeda and someone said that even Current Designs admits the Andromeda was a mistake. Try the Skerray - I find it roughly similar to a Gulfstream based on a short paddle. John F. will no doubt be able to point out the differences much better than I. However, I think the Skerray is worth checking out if you like the Gulfstream. Doh! Why didn't I think of the Skerray? Perhaps because mine has a Ocean cockpit that I knew he wouldn't like. The Skerray likely would be a good one to try. It's got real nice initial stability, is very responsive but a bit faster than a Romany or Avocet. I've had mine for 6 years or so and have since built two higher performance boats. Every once in awhile I think about selling the Skerray but then I get in an paddle it and get reminded how much fun that boat is to paddle.  | 
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