Jax, look, I'm not going to get in a ****ing match with you. I put a link
in my post to save everyone a lot of time and effort. The price is quickly
available by clicking once with your mouse. If that makes me a
self-centered sumbitch you are free to decide, and so is everyone else--like
RB, who was willing to click on the link. You are also free to evaluate
Westsails any way you choose, but the price of the boats is determined by
what people are willing to pay for them, not your arrogant, self-righteous,
arbitrary prattlings--which are far out of line with real transactions. If
you have nothing but sarcasm and invective to contribute here, I'd be happy
if you'd graciously bug off.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
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I stand by my statement. no price given is nearly always an absolute
indication the seller thinks he has rare gold.

Either that, or he is some self-centered sumbitch who believes the world
is
required to work for his pleasure.

From: "R.W. Behan"
Date: 5/31/2004 11:00 AM Eastern Standard Time
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Just click the link, dude. RB had enough strength in his forearm to do
the
job. Do you?



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
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help us out here, dude. Is it realistically priced at maybe $37,000 to
$45,000
obo, or is it bargan priced at $18,500, or is it fantasy priced at
$87,000?

Ususually, no price mentioned indicates the seller *knows* he is
operating
on
the fantasy level.

From: "R.W. Behan"
Date: 5/31/2004 1:54 AM Eastern Standard Time
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hey, yo-yo, you don't seem to understand. Your deliberate effort to hide the
price of your boat was noticed by every last person who read your ad. EVERY
LAST PERSON.

Those who had no interest whatsoever *might* be curious enough to click on your
link. Might. Everyone else with even the slightest genune interest figured --
accurately -- that you want well above market value for your boat. Some, just
some, of those in the second group clicked on your link.

you see, dum-dum, you went out of your way to tell the readers of your ad that
you are more important than they are. That is a stupid fricken mistake never
made by professionals and seldom made by honest men.

you would have been better off, behan, claiming ignorance early on. Instead,
you fully confirmed that the omission was deliberate.

Jax, look, I'm not going to get in a ****ing match with you. I put a link
in my post to save everyone a lot of time and effort. The price is quickly
available by clicking once with your mouse. If that makes me a
self-centered sumbitch you are free to decide, and so is everyone else--like
RB, who was willing to click on the link. You are also free to evaluate
Westsails any way you choose, but the price of the boats is determined by
what people are willing to pay for them, not your arrogant, self-righteous,
arbitrary prattlings--which are far out of line with real transactions. If
you have nothing but sarcasm and invective to contribute here, I'd be happy
if you'd graciously bug off.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I stand by my statement. no price given is nearly always an absolute
indication the seller thinks he has rare gold.

Either that, or he is some self-centered sumbitch who believes the world
is
required to work for his pleasure.

From: "R.W. Behan"
Date: 5/31/2004 11:00 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Just click the link, dude. RB had enough strength in his forearm to do
the
job. Do you?



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
help us out here, dude. Is it realistically priced at maybe $37,000 to
$45,000
obo, or is it bargan priced at $18,500, or is it fantasy priced at
$87,000?

Ususually, no price mentioned indicates the seller *knows* he is
operating
on
the fantasy level.

From: "R.W. Behan"
Date: 5/31/2004 1:54 AM Eastern Standard Time
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Your deliberate effort to hide the
price of your boat was noticed by every last person who read your ad. EVERY
LAST PERSON.

Jax, seriously, what are you on about. His website listed the price clearly.
It's a Westsail, not a Catalina. How does it matter, so long as the price is
clearly listed somewhere, which it is?
It's his boat and all prices are "asking" by definition of the seller wants to
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my comment was not that he totally hide the price, but rather that he
deliberately hid it from first glance. This is always some amateur con artist
trying to lurk a sucker into paying over market for under market goods.

A friend of mine is actively considering the purchase of a Westsail 32. He has
asked me to help checked each one he might be interested in, and we have
traveled to see two such boats. The first sold from $18.5k, and was worth
about $12k (about 20 people saw the boat with no offers at all, the buyer
buying sight unseen from 800 miles away). The second went from an asking of
$44k to to $37k to $28k in a matter of a short time before selling (it was
worth $28k to $31k).

From long experience, neither I nor my friend will even consider any boat
offered without a price, for such boats are never fairly priced relative to
market value.

Jax, seriously, what are you on about. His website listed the price clearly.
It's a Westsail, not a Catalina. How does it matter, so long as the price is
clearly listed somewhere, which it is?
It's his boat and all prices are "asking" by definition of the seller wants
to
make a sale.

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Jax, he did not hide his price in any way. Anyone interested would just click
the link, as I did. Really now! Just one click! Meanwhile, a 1979 Westsail 32
sold out of my club last year for 51K. A quick look at yachtworld shows his
price is in the ballpark for these boats. Did you read about the boat?
Repowered and a ton of custom work. The boats looks nice, nicer than the one I
saw last year. Really nice Westsails tend to sell in the 40-50K range as a
START. Sure, you may find one cheaper, but not easily. You don't have to buy
his boat or even click his website, but he did nothing wrong and the webpage
covers all of the details...and the price.
Best of luck to your friend.

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the point was the guy purposefully avoided the slightest mention of price. he
required that any and all who might even remotely be interested in his boat to
work at finding out about it. That is an absolute tip-off the seller believes
totally his asking price is above market price and his boat is below. This
true of virtually every last product sold. Always true. Bet the ranch on it.

btw, if you check the listings you will find damned few westsails are selling
these days. the boats just stay listed and stay listed and stay listed.
Asking prices of Westsail 32's in SF area (an economically depressed area since
the dot bomb) are low $30's and no takers (similar problems with all boats in
SF area now). A W-32 can be shipped SF to most anywhere in the country for
$5,000 or less.

The guy was looking for someone to pay over market, or the guy was hoping
against hope his boat actually is over market. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, his
failure to show a price upfront clearly shows he hoped to rope someone in.

Jax, he did not hide his price in any way. Anyone interested would just click
the link, as I did. Really now! Just one click! Meanwhile, a 1979 Westsail 32
sold out of my club last year for 51K. A quick look at yachtworld shows his
price is in the ballpark for these boats. Did you read about the boat?
Repowered and a ton of custom work. The boats looks nice, nicer than the one
I
saw last year. Really nice Westsails tend to sell in the 40-50K range as a
START. Sure, you may find one cheaper, but not easily. You don't have to buy
his boat or even click his website, but he did nothing wrong and the webpage
covers all of the details...and the price.
Best of luck to your friend.

RB



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the point was the guy purposefully avoided the slightest mention of price. he
required that any and all who might even remotely be interested in his boat to
work at finding out about it. That is an absolute tip-off the seller
believes

I don't get your beef. The price was a mouse click away. It's not like he had
you call him for it. And his price is pretty much average for a good example.
His boat looks and sounds great.
Jax, I'm a broker part time now. I've closed on 8 sailboats in the last 7 weeks
and I know the market. I saw a Westsail sell last season and some of those
boats on Yachtworld are sold. The brokers are lazy about pulling the ads down.
If you can find one like this fellows, with repower and so many mods for
anywhere near the price, snap it up. Westsails in the 30K range tend to have a
LOT of issues. If I had a really nice repowered Westsail I'd ask 45-50 for it
at least. This fellow's boat also has a new oversize tranni and redone
interior. His price is an "asking" price, Jax. A smart buyer doesn't walk away,
even from a high asking price. You never know what's behind it. The asking
price on my C&C 32 was 35.5K. I'm sure glad I kept after it, because I ended up
with her for 16K.
I can't see where bothering this guy, who's done nothing wrong, is helping
anything and I wish him well with his sale. Looks like a damn fine boat and the
repower and bigger tranni are huge items for a serious sailor.

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A ****ing match in a boat for sale group PRICELESS.

Bobsprit wrote:

Your deliberate effort to hide the
price of your boat was noticed by every last person who read your ad. EVERY
LAST PERSON.

Jax, seriously, what are you on about. His website listed the price clearly.
It's a Westsail, not a Catalina. How does it matter, so long as the price is
clearly listed somewhere, which it is?
It's his boat and all prices are "asking" by definition of the seller wants to
make a sale.

RB

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