"Cliff" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:06:58 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Nov 13, 6:07 am, Cliff wrote:
Another three trillion down the drain.
Does the phrase "Miserable Failure" ring a bell?

OTOH AIG had another nice party and someone
is getting a lot of taxpayer money .... well, debt to
the taxpayer, anyway. THEY got the money.

No accountability either AFAIK. Just
free money ... How did this get started
again?
--
Cliff

The dems are pilfering the money. Nothing new there.

They are not running things yet.
Bushco is.
So you lied. Again.

HTH
--
Cliff

You are definately confused as to how the Federal Government runs. The
Congress is the only group who can pass a spending bill, the only ones who
can say we spend this money. The Executive Branch can approve or veto the
bill with their Check and Balance part of government. But it is only
Congress who can first say lets spend money and tell the rest of government
to spend money and how much they can spend. And the Democrats have been in
control of the checkbook for nearly 2 years. Bush and the Republicans sux.
But so does the Democrats and Pelosi, expecially Pelosi, and Reid.

You are definately confused as to how the Federal Government runs. The
Congress is the only group who can pass a spending bill, the only ones who
can say we spend this money. The Executive Branch can approve or veto the
bill with their Check and Balance part of government. But it is only
Congress who can first say lets spend money and tell the rest of government
to spend money and how much they can spend. And the Democrats have been in

so congress spends the money

okay

arf meow arf - cats and dogs living together - who ya goin call
its the end of the world as you know it - filler text goes here
this is how the world ends - not with a whimper but with a bang
this is how the world ends - not with a whimper but with a bang

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:42:41 -0800, Calif Bill wrote:


"Cliff" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:06:58 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Nov 13, 6:07 am, Cliff wrote:
Another three trillion down the drain. Does the phrase "Miserable
Failure" ring a bell?

OTOH AIG had another nice party and someone is getting a lot of
taxpayer money .... well, debt to the taxpayer, anyway. THEY got the
money.

No accountability either AFAIK. Just
free money ... How did this get started again?
--
Cliff

The dems are pilfering the money. Nothing new there.

They are not running things yet.
Bushco is.
So you lied. Again.

HTH
--
Cliff

You are definately confused as to how the Federal Government runs.

Then explain the $2 trillion dollars that the Fed has already given out
wihtout oversight and refuses to reveal recipients.

The
Congress is the only group who can pass a spending bill, the only ones who
can say we spend this money. The Executive Branch can approve or veto the
bill with their Check and Balance part of government. But it is only
Congress who can first say lets spend money and tell the rest of
government to spend money and how much they can spend. And the Democrats
have been in control of the checkbook for nearly 2 years. Bush and the
Republicans sux. But so does the Democrats and Pelosi, expecially Pelosi,
and Reid.

You cannot gloss over the 6 years of a Republican congress so easily and
blame the next class for their bending over and dropping their trousers
for Bush/Cheney.

--
Regards, Curly
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"Curly Surmudgeon" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:42:41 -0800, Calif Bill wrote:


"Cliff" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:06:58 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Nov 13, 6:07 am, Cliff wrote:
Another three trillion down the drain. Does the phrase "Miserable
Failure" ring a bell?

OTOH AIG had another nice party and someone is getting a lot of
taxpayer money .... well, debt to the taxpayer, anyway. THEY got the
money.

No accountability either AFAIK. Just
free money ... How did this get started again?
--
Cliff

The dems are pilfering the money. Nothing new there.

They are not running things yet.
Bushco is.
So you lied. Again.

HTH
--
Cliff

You are definately confused as to how the Federal Government runs.

Then explain the $2 trillion dollars that the Fed has already given out
wihtout oversight and refuses to reveal recipients.

The
Congress is the only group who can pass a spending bill, the only ones
who
can say we spend this money. The Executive Branch can approve or veto
the
bill with their Check and Balance part of government. But it is only
Congress who can first say lets spend money and tell the rest of
government to spend money and how much they can spend. And the Democrats
have been in control of the checkbook for nearly 2 years. Bush and the
Republicans sux. But so does the Democrats and Pelosi, expecially Pelosi,
and Reid.

You cannot gloss over the 6 years of a Republican congress so easily and
blame the next class for their bending over and dropping their trousers
for Bush/Cheney.

--
Regards, Curly
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RIP -- Robert Lee Burnside 11/23/26 - 9/1/05
------------------------------------------------------------------------------





Did not say the Republicans were angels. I stated the facts of life re our
government and who actually gets to vote to spend money. And yes, if the
spending bill passes, the money HAS TO BE SPENT. A Democrat Congress got
that ruling years ago. Used to be the Executive branch controlled a lot of
the pork overspending, by just not spending the money. But Congress did not
like fiscal responsibility.
http://www.auburn.edu/~johnspm/gloss/impoundment is a decent explanation.
We need an Executive Branch to take the ruling to the Supremes. The problem
for at least the last 8 years, is a President who did not veto overspending.
And the $5 trillion, not $2 trillion is not money spent, so no appropriation
bill was required. It is what we committed to cover and keeps growing. We
are screwed.

On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:28:50 -0800, Calif Bill wrote:


"Curly Surmudgeon" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:42:41 -0800, Calif Bill wrote:


"Cliff" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:06:58 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Nov 13, 6:07 am, Cliff wrote:
Another three trillion down the drain. Does the phrase "Miserable
Failure" ring a bell?

OTOH AIG had another nice party and someone is getting a lot of
taxpayer money .... well, debt to the taxpayer, anyway. THEY got the
money.

No accountability either AFAIK. Just
free money ... How did this get started again? --
Cliff

The dems are pilfering the money. Nothing new there.

They are not running things yet.
Bushco is.
So you lied. Again.

HTH
--
Cliff

You are definately confused as to how the Federal Government runs.

Then explain the $2 trillion dollars that the Fed has already given out
wihtout oversight and refuses to reveal recipients.

The
Congress is the only group who can pass a spending bill, the only ones
who
can say we spend this money. The Executive Branch can approve or veto
the
bill with their Check and Balance part of government. But it is only
Congress who can first say lets spend money and tell the rest of
government to spend money and how much they can spend. And the
Democrats have been in control of the checkbook for nearly 2 years.
Bush and the Republicans sux. But so does the Democrats and Pelosi,
expecially Pelosi, and Reid.

You cannot gloss over the 6 years of a Republican congress so easily and
blame the next class for their bending over and dropping their trousers
for Bush/Cheney.

--
Regards, Curly
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RIP -- Robert Lee Burnside 11/23/26 - 9/1/05
------------------------------------------------------------------------------





Did not say the Republicans were angels. I stated the facts of life re
our government and who actually gets to vote to spend money. And yes, if
the spending bill passes, the money HAS TO BE SPENT. A Democrat Congress
got that ruling years ago. Used to be the Executive branch controlled a
lot of the pork overspending, by just not spending the money. But
Congress did not like fiscal responsibility.
http://www.auburn.edu/~johnspm/gloss/impoundment is a decent explanation.
We need an Executive Branch to take the ruling to the Supremes. The
problem for at least the last 8 years, is a President who did not veto
overspending. And the $5 trillion, not $2 trillion is not money spent, so
no appropriation bill was required. It is what we committed to cover and
keeps growing. We are screwed.

Absolutely screwed, the only solution is massive inflation.

Got your bug-out bags packed?

--
Regards, Curly
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RIP -- Robert Lee Burnside 11/23/26 - 9/1/05
------------------------------------------------------------------------------




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Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:28:50 -0800, Calif Bill wrote:

"Curly Surmudgeon" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:42:41 -0800, Calif Bill wrote:


"Cliff" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:06:58 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Nov 13, 6:07 am, Cliff wrote:
Another three trillion down the drain. Does the phrase "Miserable
Failure" ring a bell?

OTOH AIG had another nice party and someone is getting a lot of
taxpayer money .... well, debt to the taxpayer, anyway. THEY got the
money.

No accountability either AFAIK. Just
free money ... How did this get started again? --
Cliff
The dems are pilfering the money. Nothing new there.
They are not running things yet.
Bushco is.
So you lied. Again.

HTH
--
Cliff
You are definately confused as to how the Federal Government runs.
Then explain the $2 trillion dollars that the Fed has already given out
wihtout oversight and refuses to reveal recipients.

The
Congress is the only group who can pass a spending bill, the only ones
who
can say we spend this money. The Executive Branch can approve or veto
the
bill with their Check and Balance part of government. But it is only
Congress who can first say lets spend money and tell the rest of
government to spend money and how much they can spend. And the
Democrats have been in control of the checkbook for nearly 2 years.
Bush and the Republicans sux. But so does the Democrats and Pelosi,
expecially Pelosi, and Reid.
You cannot gloss over the 6 years of a Republican congress so easily and
blame the next class for their bending over and dropping their trousers
for Bush/Cheney.

--
Regards, Curly
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RIP -- Robert Lee Burnside 11/23/26 - 9/1/05
------------------------------------------------------------------------------





Did not say the Republicans were angels. I stated the facts of life re
our government and who actually gets to vote to spend money. And yes, if
the spending bill passes, the money HAS TO BE SPENT. A Democrat Congress
got that ruling years ago. Used to be the Executive branch controlled a
lot of the pork overspending, by just not spending the money. But
Congress did not like fiscal responsibility.
http://www.auburn.edu/~johnspm/gloss/impoundment is a decent explanation.
We need an Executive Branch to take the ruling to the Supremes. The
problem for at least the last 8 years, is a President who did not veto
overspending. And the $5 trillion, not $2 trillion is not money spent, so
no appropriation bill was required. It is what we committed to cover and
keeps growing. We are screwed.

Absolutely screwed, the only solution is massive inflation.

Got your bug-out bags packed?


Congress could have stayed the Treasury and let all the weak
banks and investment houses fail. There would have been an abrupt
downturn with firings, etc.

In about a year the derivative and mortgage losses would have
surfaced and largely worked their way through the system.

Congress could have reinstated the Glass-Spiegal Act and those
responsible for the fraud would be prosecuted.

In about two years it would have ended with the system intact and the
economy rebounding.



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On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:37:13 -0500, strabo wrote:

Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:28:50 -0800, Calif Bill wrote:

"Curly Surmudgeon" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:42:41 -0800, Calif Bill wrote:


"Cliff" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:06:58 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Nov 13, 6:07 am, Cliff wrote:
Another three trillion down the drain. Does the phrase "Miserable
Failure" ring a bell?

OTOH AIG had another nice party and someone is getting a lot of
taxpayer money .... well, debt to the taxpayer, anyway. THEY got
the money.

No accountability either AFAIK. Just
free money ... How did this get started again? -- Cliff
The dems are pilfering the money. Nothing new there.
They are not running things yet.
Bushco is.
So you lied. Again.

HTH
--
Cliff
You are definately confused as to how the Federal Government runs.
Then explain the $2 trillion dollars that the Fed has already given
out wihtout oversight and refuses to reveal recipients.

The
Congress is the only group who can pass a spending bill, the only
ones who
can say we spend this money. The Executive Branch can approve or
veto the
bill with their Check and Balance part of government. But it is only
Congress who can first say lets spend money and tell the rest of
government to spend money and how much they can spend. And the
Democrats have been in control of the checkbook for nearly 2 years.
Bush and the Republicans sux. But so does the Democrats and Pelosi,
expecially Pelosi, and Reid.
You cannot gloss over the 6 years of a Republican congress so easily
and blame the next class for their bending over and dropping their
trousers for Bush/Cheney.

--
Regards, Curly
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RIP -- Robert Lee Burnside 11/23/26 - 9/1/05
------------------------------------------------------------------------------





Did not say the Republicans were angels. I stated the facts of life re
our government and who actually gets to vote to spend money. And yes,
if the spending bill passes, the money HAS TO BE SPENT. A Democrat
Congress got that ruling years ago. Used to be the Executive branch
controlled a lot of the pork overspending, by just not spending the
money. But Congress did not like fiscal responsibility.
http://www.auburn.edu/~johnspm/gloss/impoundment is a decent
explanation. We need an Executive Branch to take the ruling to the
Supremes. The problem for at least the last 8 years, is a President
who did not veto overspending. And the $5 trillion, not $2 trillion is
not money spent, so no appropriation bill was required. It is what we
committed to cover and keeps growing. We are screwed.

Absolutely screwed, the only solution is massive inflation.

Got your bug-out bags packed?


Congress could have stayed the Treasury and let all the weak banks and
investment houses fail. There would have been an abrupt downturn with
firings, etc.

In about a year the derivative and mortgage losses would have surfaced and
largely worked their way through the system.

Congress could have reinstated the Glass-Spiegal Act and those responsible
for the fraud would be prosecuted.

In about two years it would have ended with the system intact and the
economy rebounding.

But they didn't. Now we are faced with what could well be another 25 year
long depression only this time it's likely to be worse.

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On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:28:50 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

The problem
for at least the last 8 years, is a President who did not veto overspending.

Like the stuff in HIS budget or what he demanded, such
a ths "bailout" (now 5 trillion at least it looks like).
Note that congress only signed off on about 750 billion of that
5 trillion. For an "emergency".
Suckers.
--
Cliff

"Cliff" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:28:50 -0800, "Calif Bill"

wrote:

The problem
for at least the last 8 years, is a President who did not veto
overspending.

Like the stuff in HIS budget or what he demanded, such
a ths "bailout" (now 5 trillion at least it looks like).
Note that congress only signed off on about 750 billion of that
5 trillion. For an "emergency".
Suckers.
--
Cliff

Thank the Fed for the extra money. The same Fed who's previous head, said
they were superior to any Federal agency. No Federal Control!

Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:42:41 -0800, Calif Bill wrote:

"Cliff" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:06:58 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Nov 13, 6:07 am, Cliff wrote:
Another three trillion down the drain. Does the phrase "Miserable
Failure" ring a bell?

OTOH AIG had another nice party and someone is getting a lot of
taxpayer money .... well, debt to the taxpayer, anyway. THEY got the
money.

No accountability either AFAIK. Just
free money ... How did this get started again?
--
Cliff
The dems are pilfering the money. Nothing new there.
They are not running things yet.
Bushco is.
So you lied. Again.

HTH
--
Cliff
You are definately confused as to how the Federal Government runs.

Then explain the $2 trillion dollars that the Fed has already given out
wihtout oversight and refuses to reveal recipients.


Congress gave Paulson carte blanc control of expenditures,
NO explanation necessary.

Furthermore this contract extends to amounts of cash to be printed:

"The Secretary's authority to purchase mortgage-related assets under
this Act shall be limited to $700,000,000,000 outstanding *at any one
time*.

Read it.


Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008

LEGISLATIVE TREASURY AUTHORITY TO PURCHASE MORTGAGE-RELATED ASSETS

Section 1. Short Title.

This Act may be cited as ___________________.

Sec. 2. Purchases of Mortgage-Related Assets.

(a) Authority to Purchase.-The Secretary is authorized to purchase, and
to make and fund commitments to purchase, on such terms and conditions
as determined by the Secretary, mortgage-related assets from any
financial institution having its headquarters in the United States.

(b) Necessary Actions.-The Secretary is authorized to take such actions
as the Secretary deems necessary to carry out the authorities in this
Act, including, without limitation:

(1) appointing such employees as may be required to carry out the
authorities in this Act and defining their duties;

(2) entering into contracts, including contracts for services authorized
by section 3109 of title 5, United States Code, without regard to any
other provision of law regarding public contracts;

(3) designating financial institutions as financial agents of the
Government, and they shall perform all such reasonable duties related to
this Act as financial agents of the Government as may be required of them;
(4) establishing vehicles that are authorized, subject to supervision by
the Secretary, to purchase mortgage-related assets and issue
obligations; and

(5) issuing such regulations and other guidance as may be necessary or
appropriate to define terms or carry out the authorities of this Act.

Sec. 3. Considerations.

In exercising the authorities granted in this Act, the Secretary shall
take into consideration means for-

(1) providing stability or preventing disruption to the financial
markets or banking system; and

(2) protecting the taxpayer.

Sec. 4. Reports to Congress.

Within three months of the first exercise of the authority granted in
section 2(a), and semiannually thereafter, the Secretary shall report to
the Committees on the Budget, Financial Services, and Ways and Means of
the House of Representatives and the Committees on the Budget, Finance,
and Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs of the Senate with respect to
the authorities exercised under this Act and the considerations required
by section 3.

Sec. 5. Rights; Management; Sale of Mortgage-Related Assets.

(a) Exercise of Rights.-The Secretary may, at any time, exercise any
rights received in connection with mortgage-related assets purchased
under this Act.

(b) Management of Mortgage-Related Assets.-The Secretary shall have
authority to manage mortgage-related assets purchased under this Act,
including revenues and portfolio risks therefrom.

(c) Sale of Mortgage-Related Assets.-The Secretary may, at any time,
upon terms and conditions and at prices determined by the Secretary,
sell, or enter into securities loans, repurchase transactions or other
financial transactions in regard to, any mortgage-related asset
purchased under this Act.

(d) Application of Sunset to Mortgage-Related Assets.-The authority of
the Secretary to hold any mortgage-related asset purchased under this
Act before the termination date in section 9, or to purchase or fund the
purchase of a mortgage-related asset under a commitment entered into
before the termination date in section 9, is not subject to the
provisions of section 9.

Sec. 6. Maximum Amount of Authorized Purchases.

The Secretarys authority to purchase mortgage-related assets under this
Act shall be limited to $700,000,000,000 outstanding at any one time

Sec. 7. Funding.

For the purpose of the authorities granted in this Act, and for the
costs of administering those authorities, the Secretary may use the
proceeds of the sale of any securities issued under chapter 31 of title
31, United States Code, and the purposes for which securities may be
issued under chapter 31 of title 31, United States Code, are extended to
include actions authorized by this Act, including the payment of
administrative expenses. Any funds expended for actions authorized by
this Act, including the payment of administrative expenses, shall be
deemed appropriated at the time of such expenditure.

Sec. 8. Review.

Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are
non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be
reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.

Sec. 9. Termination of Authority.

The authorities under this Act, with the exception of authorities
granted in sections 2(b)(5), 5 and 7, shall terminate two years from the
date of enactment of this Act.

Sec. 10. Increase in Statutory Limit on the Public Debt.

Subsection (b) of section 3101 of title 31, United States Code, is
amended by striking out the dollar limitation contained in such
subsection and inserting in lieu thereof $11,315,000,000,000.

Sec. 11. Credit Reform.

The costs of purchases of mortgage-related assets made under section
2(a) of this Act shall be determined as provided under the Federal
Credit Reform Act of 1990, as applicable.

Sec. 12. Definitions.

For purposes of this section, the following definitions shall apply:

(1) Mortgage-Related Assets.-The term mortgage-related assets means
residential or commercial mortgages and any securities, obligations, or
other instruments that are based on or related to such mortgages, that
in each case was originated or issued on or before September 17, 2008.

(2) Secretary.-The term Secretary means the Secretary of the Treasury.

(3) United States.-The term United States means the States, territories,
and possessions of the United States and the District of Columbia.



The
Congress is the only group who can pass a spending bill, the only ones who
can say we spend this money. The Executive Branch can approve or veto the
bill with their Check and Balance part of government. But it is only
Congress who can first say lets spend money and tell the rest of
government to spend money and how much they can spend. And the Democrats
have been in control of the checkbook for nearly 2 years. Bush and the
Republicans sux. But so does the Democrats and Pelosi, expecially Pelosi,
and Reid.

You cannot gloss over the 6 years of a Republican congress so easily and
blame the next class for their bending over and dropping their trousers
for Bush/Cheney.



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