On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:29:57 -0500, Cliff wrote:

On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:00:22 GMT, Joe wrote:


Don't be shocked to see that $500 to $1,000 a month bill for your
family's health coverage to go up to as high as $1,500 to $3,000 a
month.


I don't normally respond to posts like this that are multiposted to such
groups as alt kooks.... but I will make this comment.

I don't say it to me mean or snotty but after spending five months in a
Canadian hospital I feel sorry for you Americans who require health care
and advanced medical services that you have to pay for out of your own
pocket.

I spent three month in a primary hospital setting, had two surgeries and
will guess that the cost was about 1,000 per day for my treatment.

After that I spent two month in a rehabilitation hospital at a cost of
350 dollars per day.

I'm now on homecare and receive visits and dressing changes three times
per week and have no idea what that costs.

MY COST TO ME AS AN INDIVIDUAL...... NOTHING.

I can't see how any American without health insurance can even afford to
have their tonsils removed let alone major surgery.

They cannot.
But if sick enough many get treated at someone else's expense
anyway. Usually after losing everything & with no hope for the
future (still in debt for life).
The later can easily happen even to the insured as well.

Unless, of course, you're a illegal Mexican. CA hospitals, by law,
cannot turn them away - for any reason.

In article ,
Matt Stawicki wrote:

On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:29:57 -0500, Cliff wrote:

On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:00:22 GMT, Joe wrote:


Don't be shocked to see that $500 to $1,000 a month bill for your
family's health coverage to go up to as high as $1,500 to $3,000 a
month.


I don't normally respond to posts like this that are multiposted to such
groups as alt kooks.... but I will make this comment.

I don't say it to me mean or snotty but after spending five months in a
Canadian hospital I feel sorry for you Americans who require health care
and advanced medical services that you have to pay for out of your own
pocket.

I spent three month in a primary hospital setting, had two surgeries and
will guess that the cost was about 1,000 per day for my treatment.

After that I spent two month in a rehabilitation hospital at a cost of
350 dollars per day.

I'm now on homecare and receive visits and dressing changes three times
per week and have no idea what that costs.

MY COST TO ME AS AN INDIVIDUAL...... NOTHING.

I can't see how any American without health insurance can even afford to
have their tonsils removed let alone major surgery.

They cannot.
But if sick enough many get treated at someone else's expense
anyway. Usually after losing everything & with no hope for the
future (still in debt for life).
The later can easily happen even to the insured as well.

Unless, of course, you're a illegal Mexican. CA hospitals, by law,
cannot turn them away - for any reason.

good to see the bigots are still around
comic relief

arf meow arf - cats and dogs living together - who ya goin call
its the end of the world as you know it - filler text goes here
this is how the world ends - not with a whimper but with a bang
this is how the world ends - not with a whimper but with a bang

On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:33:59 -0800, rand mair fheal
wrote:

In article ,
Matt Stawicki wrote:

On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:29:57 -0500, Cliff wrote:

On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:00:22 GMT, Joe wrote:


Don't be shocked to see that $500 to $1,000 a month bill for your
family's health coverage to go up to as high as $1,500 to $3,000 a
month.


I don't normally respond to posts like this that are multiposted to such
groups as alt kooks.... but I will make this comment.

I don't say it to me mean or snotty but after spending five months in a
Canadian hospital I feel sorry for you Americans who require health care
and advanced medical services that you have to pay for out of your own
pocket.

I spent three month in a primary hospital setting, had two surgeries and
will guess that the cost was about 1,000 per day for my treatment.

After that I spent two month in a rehabilitation hospital at a cost of
350 dollars per day.

I'm now on homecare and receive visits and dressing changes three times
per week and have no idea what that costs.

MY COST TO ME AS AN INDIVIDUAL...... NOTHING.

I can't see how any American without health insurance can even afford to
have their tonsils removed let alone major surgery.

They cannot.
But if sick enough many get treated at someone else's expense
anyway. Usually after losing everything & with no hope for the
future (still in debt for life).
The later can easily happen even to the insured as well.

Unless, of course, you're a illegal Mexican. CA hospitals, by law,
cannot turn them away - for any reason.

good to see the bigots are still around
comic relief

No bigotry intended, implied or stated. Facts are facts. CA spends
millions providing health care for illegal Mexicans. They even come
over the border to get free medical care, then go back!

Matt

Matt Stawicki, ye raw-boned simple clown, a huge translation of
hypocrisy, vilely compiled, profoundly stupid, ye drawled:

No bigotry intended, implied or stated. Facts are facts. CA spends
millions providing health care for illegal Mexicans. They even come
over the border to get free medical care, then go back!


But you wouldn't if you were a poor Mexican peasant, right?

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In article ,
"Kadaitcha Man" wrote:

Matt Stawicki, ye raw-boned simple clown, a huge translation of
hypocrisy, vilely compiled, profoundly stupid, ye drawled:

No bigotry intended, implied or stated. Facts are facts. CA spends
millions providing health care for illegal Mexicans. They even come
over the border to get free medical care, then go back!


But you wouldn't if you were a poor Mexican peasant, right?

the claim is nonsensical
people dont freely stroll across the border
hospitals dont check citizenship or immigration status of patients

and the people who get hit the worst are like po widdle matty
middle class home owners who lost their coverage
when they lost their job or the employer drop coverage
and a preexisting condition locks them out of coverage

they then choose between dying
or watching their entire middle class property seized to pay bills
leaving them destitute but as uncollectable as they are uncoverable

arf meow arf - cats and dogs living together - who ya goin call
its the end of the world as you know it - filler text goes here
this is how the world ends - not with a whimper but with a bang
this is how the world ends - not with a whimper but with a bang

"rand mair fheal" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Kadaitcha Man" wrote:

Matt Stawicki, ye raw-boned simple clown, a huge translation of
hypocrisy, vilely compiled, profoundly stupid, ye drawled:

No bigotry intended, implied or stated. Facts are facts. CA spends
millions providing health care for illegal Mexicans. They even come
over the border to get free medical care, then go back!


But you wouldn't if you were a poor Mexican peasant, right?

the claim is nonsensical
people dont freely stroll across the border
hospitals dont check citizenship or immigration status of patients

and the people who get hit the worst are like po widdle matty
middle class home owners who lost their coverage
when they lost their job or the employer drop coverage
and a preexisting condition locks them out of coverage

they then choose between dying
or watching their entire middle class property seized to pay bills
leaving them destitute but as uncollectable as they are uncoverable

Sounds like free market capitalism to me.
What's his complaint?
Is it that he can't pay because his services aren't in demand?
Tough luck.

J


arf meow arf - cats and dogs living together - who ya goin call
its the end of the world as you know it - filler text goes here
this is how the world ends - not with a whimper but with a bang
this is how the world ends - not with a whimper but with a bang

On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:20:08 -0800, John R. Carroll wrote:


"rand mair fheal" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Kadaitcha Man" wrote:

Matt Stawicki, ye raw-boned simple clown, a huge translation of
hypocrisy, vilely compiled, profoundly stupid, ye drawled:

No bigotry intended, implied or stated. Facts are facts. CA spends
millions providing health care for illegal Mexicans. They even come
over the border to get free medical care, then go back!


But you wouldn't if you were a poor Mexican peasant, right?

the claim is nonsensical
people dont freely stroll across the border hospitals dont check
citizenship or immigration status of patients

and the people who get hit the worst are like po widdle matty middle
class home owners who lost their coverage when they lost their job or
the employer drop coverage and a preexisting condition locks them out of
coverage

they then choose between dying
or watching their entire middle class property seized to pay bills
leaving them destitute but as uncollectable as they are uncoverable

Sounds like free market capitalism to me. What's his complaint?
Is it that he can't pay because his services aren't in demand? Tough luck.

J

Not speaking for others but my compliant with health costs are health
costs. Artificially inflated by governmetnally sanctioned monopolies,
unnecessary regulations, monopolized drugs all generate usary costs.

Escaping poverty inducing health care isn't a crime.

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On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:20:08 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:

Is it that he can't pay because his services aren't in demand?
Tough luck.

I heard that machining in San Diego & California is booming,
that they cannot find people and that screw machine sales
& operations were booming too.
--
Cliff

rand mair fheal, ye big-nosed infidel, wretched, bloody and usurping
boar, ye lectured:

In article ,
"Kadaitcha Man" wrote:

Matt Stawicki, ye raw-boned simple clown, a huge translation of
hypocrisy, vilely compiled, profoundly stupid, ye drawled:

No bigotry intended, implied or stated. Facts are facts. CA spends
millions providing health care for illegal Mexicans. They even come
over the border to get free medical care, then go back!


But you wouldn't if you were a poor Mexican peasant, right?

the claim is nonsensical
people dont freely stroll across the border
hospitals dont check citizenship or immigration status of patients

and the people who get hit the worst are like po widdle matty
middle class home owners who lost their coverage
when they lost their job or the employer drop coverage
and a preexisting condition locks them out of coverage

they then choose between dying
or watching their entire middle class property seized to pay bills
leaving them destitute but as uncollectable as they are uncoverable


So, to summarise, one is better off if one is an illegal Mexican immigrant.

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Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129]

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September 2005, April 2006, January 2007, August 2008.
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a side of hedgehog lung and a goblet of pap smear scrapings.

In article ,
"Kadaitcha Man" wrote:

rand mair fheal, ye big-nosed infidel, wretched, bloody and usurping
boar, ye lectured:

In article ,
"Kadaitcha Man" wrote:

Matt Stawicki, ye raw-boned simple clown, a huge translation of
hypocrisy, vilely compiled, profoundly stupid, ye drawled:

No bigotry intended, implied or stated. Facts are facts. CA spends
millions providing health care for illegal Mexicans. They even come
over the border to get free medical care, then go back!


But you wouldn't if you were a poor Mexican peasant, right?

the claim is nonsensical
people dont freely stroll across the border
hospitals dont check citizenship or immigration status of patients

and the people who get hit the worst are like po widdle matty
middle class home owners who lost their coverage
when they lost their job or the employer drop coverage
and a preexisting condition locks them out of coverage

they then choose between dying
or watching their entire middle class property seized to pay bills
leaving them destitute but as uncollectable as they are uncoverable


So, to summarise, one is better off if one is an illegal Mexican immigrant.

freedoms just another world for nothing left to lose

arf meow arf - cats and dogs living together - who ya goin call
its the end of the world as you know it - filler text goes here
this is how the world ends - not with a whimper but with a bang
this is how the world ends - not with a whimper but with a bang