On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 00:29:19 -0500, D.Duck wrote:


If you are talking about the Berg suit, it was dismissed a week ago.
Not to shoot the messenger, but Berg does have a colorful history. He
sued Bush under RICO statutes, suggesting prior knowledge of the 9/11
attacks. By the by, Obama has produced a Birth Certificate from Hawaii.

The birth certificate is questionable and what about education and
medical records?

Grasping at straws, or do you think he's some sort of "sleeper"? Only
the truly paranoid would think he is anything but what he says he is, an
American citizen born in Hawaii.

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On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 00:29:19 -0500, D.Duck wrote:


If you are talking about the Berg suit, it was dismissed a week ago.
Not to shoot the messenger, but Berg does have a colorful history. He
sued Bush under RICO statutes, suggesting prior knowledge of the 9/11
attacks. By the by, Obama has produced a Birth Certificate from Hawaii.
The birth certificate is questionable and what about education and
medical records?

Grasping at straws, or do you think he's some sort of "sleeper"? Only
the truly paranoid would think he is anything but what he says he is, an
American citizen born in Hawaii.

It can all be cleared up the registrar of vital records in Honolulu. I
can't figure out why, if everything is on the up and up, Obama hasn't
let this information be released. In the best case it would put all of
this talk to rest. But, if there is some validity to the charges that
Obama is hiding something then it is going to come out. What do you do
with a guy who committed fraud to run for the presidency? What do you do
with his running mate?

BAR wrote:
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On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 00:29:19 -0500, D.Duck wrote:


If you are talking about the Berg suit, it was dismissed a week ago.
Not to shoot the messenger, but Berg does have a colorful history. He
sued Bush under RICO statutes, suggesting prior knowledge of the 9/11
attacks. By the by, Obama has produced a Birth Certificate from Hawaii.
The birth certificate is questionable and what about education and
medical records?

Grasping at straws, or do you think he's some sort of "sleeper"? Only
the truly paranoid would think he is anything but what he says he is,
an American citizen born in Hawaii.

It can all be cleared up the registrar of vital records in Honolulu. I
can't figure out why, if everything is on the up and up, Obama hasn't
let this information be released. In the best case it would put all of
this talk to rest. But, if there is some validity to the charges that
Obama is hiding something then it is going to come out. What do you do
with a guy who committed fraud to run for the presidency? What do you do
with his running mate?

Prove he wasn't born in Hawaii, dipschitt. And who really cares if the
right-wing dipschitts are "up in arms" over this, anyway?

"Boater" wrote in message
...


Prove he wasn't born in Hawaii, dipschitt. And who really cares if the
right-wing dipschitts are "up in arms" over this, anyway?



Sad that anyone who has questions or reservations about *your* candidate is
automatically a dipschitt.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

Prove he wasn't born in Hawaii, dipschitt. And who really cares if the
right-wing dipschitts are "up in arms" over this, anyway?



Sad that anyone who has questions or reservations about *your* candidate is
automatically a dipschitt.

Eisboch



I don't know of one reason why the Obama campaign should expend energy
to satisfy the curiosity of those who would not vote for him under any
circumstances. If some rightie has *proof* Obama was not born in Hawaii,
let him come forward with it. Proof, mind you, not speculation.

I don't recall referring to you as a dipschitt.

"Boater" wrote in message
...



I don't know of one reason why the Obama campaign should expend energy to
satisfy the curiosity of those who would not vote for him under any
circumstances. If some rightie has *proof* Obama was not born in Hawaii,
let him come forward with it. Proof, mind you, not speculation.


Isn't that cavalier attitude representative of the complaints many have of
GWB?

The guy is soliciting votes to be elected POTUS. To request documentation
proving his Constitutional eligibility to hold that office isn't asking much
and should be done as a matter of course in a basic background check. Obama
did not respond, causing some legitimate questions. Even his family members
have offered conflicting accounts of his place of birth. Add to that his
refusal to release college records and transcripts further begs questions.

It is my understanding that the "birth certificate" electronically posted on
the Obama website is suspect by many experts. Why not produce and submit a
certified original or copy to a judge?

Instead of coming clean, Obama, via the DNC, has used the court system to
dismiss a lawsuit demanding these documents. That's scary to me. The
liberal media has put this issue in a filing cabinet, preferring to focus
more on proving that Sarah Palin can't see Russia from her house.

I just want some honesty. At least McCain has released all requested
documents, warts and all.


Again, to me, it's the sum of the details about Obama that leaves me
questioning who the heck he really is.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

I don't know of one reason why the Obama campaign should expend energy to
satisfy the curiosity of those who would not vote for him under any
circumstances. If some rightie has *proof* Obama was not born in Hawaii,
let him come forward with it. Proof, mind you, not speculation.


Isn't that cavalier attitude representative of the complaints many have of
GWB?

The guy is soliciting votes to be elected POTUS. To request documentation
proving his Constitutional eligibility to hold that office isn't asking much
and should be done as a matter of course in a basic background check. Obama
did not respond, causing some legitimate questions. Even his family members
have offered conflicting accounts of his place of birth. Add to that his
refusal to release college records and transcripts further begs questions.

It is my understanding that the "birth certificate" electronically posted on
the Obama website is suspect by many experts. Why not produce and submit a
certified original or copy to a judge?

Instead of coming clean, Obama, via the DNC, has used the court system to
dismiss a lawsuit demanding these documents. That's scary to me. The
liberal media has put this issue in a filing cabinet, preferring to focus
more on proving that Sarah Palin can't see Russia from her house.

I just want some honesty. At least McCain has released all requested
documents, warts and all.


Again, to me, it's the sum of the details about Obama that leaves me
questioning who the heck he really is.

Eisboch






Once again, unless it is legally required, I see no reason to satisfy
the curiosity of those who will not be voting for Obama, no matter what.

There is no Constitutional requirement to provide the documentation you
want.

Beyond this discussion, the "born in the USA" requirement is a stupid
one, anyway. Any citizen, born here or naturalized, should be allowed to
seek this nation's highest elected offices. A lot of voters at one time
wanted to see "the Arnold" run for the nomination but, of course, he
could not because of an "accident" of birth. No one questions his
loyalty and devotion to this country. I wouldn't have voted for the guy,
but I sure would have supported measures to make it possible for him to
run.

On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:02:43 -0500, Eisboch wrote:


Instead of coming clean, Obama, via the DNC, has used the court system
to dismiss a lawsuit demanding these documents.

That seems to be the pattern. 3 or 4 suits against Obama's "natural born
Citizen" status, and a couple against McCain's status, all have been
dismissed. It's also happened over the years. Goldwater being a recent
example, all because of that wonderfully vaguely worded document, the
Constitution.

The courts have seemed to take a hands off approach when deciding a
candidate's qualifications. While it may seem a little untidy, I think
the courts are correct. Do we really want a judge to decide who is
allowed to run, or worse, the previous administration? That could be a
large can of worms.

It's my understanding, "a natural born Citizen" was put into the
Constitution to avoid the chance of a foreign puppet. Neither Obama,
McCain, Goldwater, or even Chester Arthur, who may actually have been
born in Canada, fit the role of a foreign puppet. Personally, I accept
the courts hands off approach.

On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:02:43 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Boater" wrote in message
...



I don't know of one reason why the Obama campaign should expend energy to
satisfy the curiosity of those who would not vote for him under any
circumstances. If some rightie has *proof* Obama was not born in Hawaii,
let him come forward with it. Proof, mind you, not speculation.


Isn't that cavalier attitude representative of the complaints many have of
GWB?

The guy is soliciting votes to be elected POTUS. To request documentation
proving his Constitutional eligibility to hold that office isn't asking much
and should be done as a matter of course in a basic background check. Obama
did not respond, causing some legitimate questions. Even his family members
have offered conflicting accounts of his place of birth. Add to that his
refusal to release college records and transcripts further begs questions.

It is my understanding that the "birth certificate" electronically posted on
the Obama website is suspect by many experts. Why not produce and submit a
certified original or copy to a judge?

Instead of coming clean, Obama, via the DNC, has used the court system to
dismiss a lawsuit demanding these documents. That's scary to me. The
liberal media has put this issue in a filing cabinet, preferring to focus
more on proving that Sarah Palin can't see Russia from her house.

I just want some honesty. At least McCain has released all requested
documents, warts and all.


Again, to me, it's the sum of the details about Obama that leaves me
questioning who the heck he really is.

Eisboch





Isn't it nice to be excluded from the dip**** right wingers?
--
A Harry Krause truism:

"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"
[A Narcissistic Hypocrite]

On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:13:54 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Boater" wrote in message
...


Prove he wasn't born in Hawaii, dipschitt. And who really cares if the
right-wing dipschitts are "up in arms" over this, anyway?

Sad that anyone who has questions or reservations about *your* candidate is
automatically a dipschitt.

You know, Obama talks and speaks like a theoretical mathematician.

To which you say - what?

Here's what I mean. Math geeks speak and think in a top down fashion.
You build a construct to fit a particular set of circumstances. There
is no foundation for this construct - just a hunch. or a guess. Once
the central idea is established, then there is a build to a proof.
However, you can't prove a construct without returning to the
foundation because if the foundation isn't firm, the proof won't pan
out.

Think of it this way - you build a ten story building without a
basement or basement walls and support beams to hold it up. You can't
put the penthouse on top of the building without first building the
foundation. So you walk back down and build the foundation, then
return to the 11th floor to see if the building still stands.

That doesn't mean that the central idea or theory isn't valid. It's
just a different way of looking at the problem and establishing the
conditions for success. The problem is that if the penthouse doesn't
topple the building you succeed. But if the penthouse tips the
building over, you have a huge problem.

That's the way Obama thinks - he perceives a problem exactly backwards
to the way social problems should be thought about.

That ain't good. :)