Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."



As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and wrong
before. He's only human.

Eisboch



The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and 2004.

On Oct 19, 10:13*am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."

As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and wrong
before. *He's only human.

Eisboch

The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and 2004.

And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?

"Tim" wrote in message
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On Oct 19, 10:13 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack
Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."

As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and
wrong
before. He's only human.

Eisboch

The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and 2004.

And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?

I think it was pretty obvious that Powell did not agree with the current
administration. Even before 2004. His leaving was no surprise to many. He
stayed loyal to the party in spite of differences in opinion. A lot of
retired generals are much more cautious about military actions that
civilians. They know from experience that the cost is higher and the
results more ellusive than the surface facts suggest. Clearly proven in
this current mess. Frankly I hope Obama considers Powell for a return to
public service.

jamesgangnc wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Oct 19, 10:13 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack
Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."
As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and
wrong
before. He's only human.
Eisboch
The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and 2004.

And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?

I think it was pretty obvious that Powell did not agree with the current
administration. Even before 2004. His leaving was no surprise to many. He
stayed loyal to the party in spite of differences in opinion. A lot of
retired generals are much more cautious about military actions that
civilians. They know from experience that the cost is higher and the
results more ellusive than the surface facts suggest. Clearly proven in
this current mess. Frankly I hope Obama considers Powell for a return to
public service.




Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards, were
absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign. I don't think I've ever
heard a more direct and erudite non-endorsement and endorsement of two
candidates.

The righties on one of the gun boards I read are just this side of a
mass stroke of the collective and, predictably, are now claiming that
Colin Powell is a traitor to America. This is precisely the sort of
commentary the McCain campaign is dredging up with its over-the-top
negative campaigning.

I think Obama will win in a squeaker in the popular vote and will do
better in the EC. My preference would be for Obama to absolutely
slaughter McCain and Palin in the popular vote, too, since, because of
the trash campaign they are running, they deserve humiliation, along
with the Republican base. If Obama were white, he'd probably be 15
points ahead right now.

On Oct 20, 10:45*am, Boater wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
....
On Oct 19, 10:13 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack
Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."
As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and
wrong
before. He's only human.
Eisboch
The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and 2004..

And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?

I think it was pretty obvious that Powell did not agree with the current
administration. *Even before 2004. *His leaving was no surprise to many. *He
stayed loyal to the party in spite of differences in opinion. *A lot of
retired generals are much more cautious about military actions that
civilians. *They know from experience that the cost is higher and the
results more ellusive than the surface facts suggest. *Clearly proven in
this current mess. *Frankly I hope Obama considers Powell for a return to
public service.

Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards, were
absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign.

Doubtful. It only had an impact on those who need others to decide
for them who they should vote for and in that case most of that group
will be voting for Nobama anyway.

On Oct 20, 2:00*pm, JimH wrote:
On Oct 20, 10:45*am, Boater wrote:





jamesgangnc wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
....
On Oct 19, 10:13 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack
Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."
As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and
wrong
before. He's only human.
Eisboch
The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and 2004.

And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?

I think it was pretty obvious that Powell did not agree with the current
administration. *Even before 2004. *His leaving was no surprise to many. *He
stayed loyal to the party in spite of differences in opinion. *A lot of
retired generals are much more cautious about military actions that
civilians. *They know from experience that the cost is higher and the
results more ellusive than the surface facts suggest. *Clearly proven in
this current mess. *Frankly I hope Obama considers Powell for a return to
public service.

Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards, were
absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign.

Doubtful. *It only had an impact on those who need others to decide
for them who they should vote for and in that case most of that group
will be voting for Nobama anyway.- Hide quoted text -

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Some of your statement is true. There are those that no matter what
their party leader has done to them, and their country, will vote for
the next one to come along no matter what. Like those who'll vote for
McCain because he's republican, no matter that he's a leading
proponent of Bush's failed economy.

JimH wrote:
On Oct 20, 10:45 am, Boater wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Oct 19, 10:13 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack
Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."
As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and
wrong
before. He's only human.
Eisboch
The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and 2004.
And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?
I think it was pretty obvious that Powell did not agree with the current
administration. Even before 2004. His leaving was no surprise to many. He
stayed loyal to the party in spite of differences in opinion. A lot of
retired generals are much more cautious about military actions that
civilians. They know from experience that the cost is higher and the
results more ellusive than the surface facts suggest. Clearly proven in
this current mess. Frankly I hope Obama considers Powell for a return to
public service.
Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards, were
absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign.

Doubtful. It only had an impact on those who need others to decide
for them who they should vote for and in that case most of that group
will be voting for Nobama anyway.


The Democratic base is very motivated. Powell's comments will help more
non-aligned, independent and undecided voters go for Obama. This
election is going to depend on turnout and independent and undecided
voters. What Powell said will matter to some of those folks.

On Oct 20, 2:20*pm, Boater wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Oct 20, 10:45 am, Boater wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
....
On Oct 19, 10:13 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack
Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."
As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and
wrong
before. He's only human.
Eisboch
The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and 2004.
And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?
I think it was pretty obvious that Powell did not agree with the current
administration. *Even before 2004. *His leaving was no surprise to many. *He
stayed loyal to the party in spite of differences in opinion. *A lot of
retired generals are much more cautious about military actions that
civilians. *They know from experience that the cost is higher and the
results more ellusive than the surface facts suggest. *Clearly proven in
this current mess. *Frankly I hope Obama considers Powell for a return to
public service.
Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards, were
absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign.

Doubtful. *It only had an impact on those who need others to decide
for them who they should vote for and in that case most of that group
will be voting for Nobama anyway.

The Democratic base is very motivated. Powell's comments will help more
non-aligned, independent and undecided voters go for Obama. This
election is going to depend on turnout and independent and undecided
voters. What Powell said will matter to some of those folks.

Perhaps, but his endorsement and comments yesterday were certainly not
"absolutely devastating" to the McCain campaign as you suggest.

If an endorsement sways a voter......that voter needs to visit the
wizard in hopes of getting a brain.

Boater wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Oct 20, 10:45 am, Boater wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...

On Oct 19, 10:13 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a
president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack
Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."
As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and
wrong
before. He's only human.
Eisboch
The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and
2004.
And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?
I think it was pretty obvious that Powell did not agree with the
current
administration. Even before 2004. His leaving was no surprise to
many. He
stayed loyal to the party in spite of differences in opinion. A lot of
retired generals are much more cautious about military actions that
civilians. They know from experience that the cost is higher and the
results more ellusive than the surface facts suggest. Clearly
proven in
this current mess. Frankly I hope Obama considers Powell for a
return to
public service.
Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards, were
absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign.

Doubtful. It only had an impact on those who need others to decide
for them who they should vote for and in that case most of that group
will be voting for Nobama anyway.


The Democratic base is very motivated. Powell's comments will help more
non-aligned, independent and undecided voters go for Obama. This
election is going to depend on turnout and independent and undecided
voters. What Powell said will matter to some of those folks.

Sheep shouldn't vote.

JimH wrote:
On Oct 20, 10:45 am, Boater wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Oct 19, 10:13 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a president
who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack
Obama,
not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."
As much as I admire him for his honesty, Powell has been mislead and
wrong
before. He's only human.
Eisboch
The American people were mislead by the Bush Campaign in 2000 and 2004.
And Sec. Powell was part of the 2000, and 2004 Bush campaign so that
also made him a misleader?
I think it was pretty obvious that Powell did not agree with the current
administration. Even before 2004. His leaving was no surprise to many. He
stayed loyal to the party in spite of differences in opinion. A lot of
retired generals are much more cautious about military actions that
civilians. They know from experience that the cost is higher and the
results more ellusive than the surface facts suggest. Clearly proven in
this current mess. Frankly I hope Obama considers Powell for a return to
public service.
Powell's comments yesterday, both on Meet the Press and afterwards, were
absolutely devastating to the McCain campaign.

Doubtful. It only had an impact on those who need others to decide
for them who they should vote for and in that case most of that group
will be voting for Nobama anyway.

The endorsement of a newspaper or a public figure is a self serving act.
Why would the older Powell wait until now to endorse Obama? The younger
Powell has endorsed McCain. Both endorsements are irrelevant.