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Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual.
Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? -- John H. |
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JR John H. wrote: Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
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On Sep 15, 5:47*pm, John H. wrote:
Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? -- John H. John, I take it you're talking about your auto air conditioner? What make and model? |
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:11:28 -0700, JR North
wrote: Watch your ****ing language. JR John H. wrote: Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? Is 'air conditioners' foul? -- John H. |
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:16:21 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:11:28 -0700, JR North wrote: Watch your ****ing language. JR John H. wrote: Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? Is 'air conditioners' foul? Your is, no doubt. Forget trying to clean the filter. Just throw it away and buy a new one. Buy extras, as you will foul them pretty quickly. |
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John H. wrote:
Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? Sure. They remove heat from your house, car, boat, etc. The temperature has nothing to do with your problem. Something else is in need of a replacement. |
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:13:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On Sep 15, 5:47*pm, John H. wrote: Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? -- John H. John, I take it you're talking about your auto air conditioner? What make and model? No, Tim, it's one of these buggers: http://tinyurl.com/69jflb The one on the trailer. Once the outside temp cooled down, in the evening, the AC ran fine. But during the hottest part of the day, the thing would trip the circuit breaker no matter how we adjusted the settings. I found a web site, so I'll do a little research. -- John H. |
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:41:33 -0400, DK wrote:
John H. wrote: Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? Sure. They remove heat from your house, car, boat, etc. The temperature has nothing to do with your problem. Something else is in need of a replacement. Then why did it work in the evening, and all morning when the temperature was lower? Don't even tell me it has something to do with Global Warming! -- John H. |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:13:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Sep 15, 5:47 pm, John H. wrote: Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? -- John H. John, I take it you're talking about your auto air conditioner? What make and model? No, Tim, it's one of these buggers: http://tinyurl.com/69jflb The one on the trailer. Once the outside temp cooled down, in the evening, the AC ran fine. But during the hottest part of the day, the thing would trip the circuit breaker no matter how we adjusted the settings. I found a web site, so I'll do a little research. -- John H. I think your warranty would be expected to cover that. I wouldn't start monkeying with anything until that warranty period is up. |
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Don White wrote:
"John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:13:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Sep 15, 5:47 pm, John H. wrote: Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? -- John H. John, I take it you're talking about your auto air conditioner? What make and model? No, Tim, it's one of these buggers: http://tinyurl.com/69jflb The one on the trailer. Once the outside temp cooled down, in the evening, the AC ran fine. But during the hottest part of the day, the thing would trip the circuit breaker no matter how we adjusted the settings. I found a web site, so I'll do a little research. -- John H. I think your warranty would be expected to cover that. I wouldn't start monkeying with anything until that warranty period is up. Let me see here. You're outside, inside a metal sardine can, in a trailer park full of other metal sardine cans. You're all hooked up to the trailer park's wiring, and you all have your air conditioning on. The voltage is dropping. Hmmm. |
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John H. wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:13:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Sep 15, 5:47 pm, John H. wrote: Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? -- John H. John, I take it you're talking about your auto air conditioner? What make and model? No, Tim, it's one of these buggers: http://tinyurl.com/69jflb The one on the trailer. Once the outside temp cooled down, in the evening, the AC ran fine. But during the hottest part of the day, the thing would trip the circuit breaker no matter how we adjusted the settings. I found a web site, so I'll do a little research. Call the dealer. It's got to be still covered under a warantee. |
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Temp does have something to do with it. At higher outside temps ac runs
higher pressures. Takes more current to start the compressor. AC copmpressors have to start under a load so they need a lot of current initially. First make sure you have the correct circuit breaker. Then replace if it's old it cause when they get old they blow at lower than rated. Voltage brownout will do it as well. Check and tighten all the connections. None of that works call the service guy cause you're probably not qualified to go any deeper. "John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:41:33 -0400, DK wrote: John H. wrote: Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? Sure. They remove heat from your house, car, boat, etc. The temperature has nothing to do with your problem. Something else is in need of a replacement. Then why did it work in the evening, and all morning when the temperature was lower? Don't even tell me it has something to do with Global Warming! -- John H. |
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On Sep 15, 6:49*pm, John H. wrote:
No, Tim, it's one of these buggers:http://tinyurl.com/69jflb The one on the trailer. Once the outside temp cooled down, in the evening, the AC ran fine. But during the hottest part of the day, the thing would trip the circuit breaker no matter how we adjusted the settings. I found a web site, so I'll do a little research. -- John H. My opinions. #1 weak breaker, but doubtful. #2 defective fan that "drags" a bit too much, but doubtful #3, compressor is having to work extended time due to higher temps. Very possible. #4 not recirculating inside air because the fresh air vent is open ( or at least not closing) drawing moisture causing the evaporator coil to frost over especially in high humidity. #5 it could be a clogged filter, AND/OR clogged condenser coil. That is if it is a used unit. #6 too much freon. If it's been recharged in the past, sometimes they cram too much freon into the thing, because they want it to be colder than cold. But what happens is it over loads the compressor Like previously mentioned, if it's under warranty then nit-pick them to death until they fix it. |
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:37:56 -0400, DK wrote:
John H. wrote: On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:13:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Sep 15, 5:47 pm, John H. wrote: Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? -- John H. John, I take it you're talking about your auto air conditioner? What make and model? No, Tim, it's one of these buggers: http://tinyurl.com/69jflb The one on the trailer. Once the outside temp cooled down, in the evening, the AC ran fine. But during the hottest part of the day, the thing would trip the circuit breaker no matter how we adjusted the settings. I found a web site, so I'll do a little research. Call the dealer. It's got to be still covered under a warantee. I did. In fact, I stopped by the dealer on the way back. He said if the system showed no problems when they ran it, and the outflow was twenty degrees cooler than the inflow, then they'd do nothing more. Needless to say, I got a little hot. -- John H. |
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:40:16 -0400, "jamesgangnc" wrote:
Temp does have something to do with it. At higher outside temps ac runs higher pressures. Takes more current to start the compressor. AC copmpressors have to start under a load so they need a lot of current initially. First make sure you have the correct circuit breaker. Then replace if it's old it cause when they get old they blow at lower than rated. Voltage brownout will do it as well. Check and tighten all the connections. None of that works call the service guy cause you're probably not qualified to go any deeper. Thanks for getting back to me. I've thought of the circuit breaker, but couldn't find one yesterday. Then I rationalized that it couldn't be the breaker because it ran at other times. I didn't know they would draw more when the weather was hot. The park was almost empty, so the brownout idea probably wouldn't apply. The trailer is this year's model, and I've had it only two and a half months. I'll try the circuit breaker replacement if the dealer says he can't find a problem. -- John H. |
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:40:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On Sep 15, 6:49*pm, John H. wrote: No, Tim, it's one of these buggers:http://tinyurl.com/69jflb The one on the trailer. Once the outside temp cooled down, in the evening, the AC ran fine. But during the hottest part of the day, the thing would trip the circuit breaker no matter how we adjusted the settings. I found a web site, so I'll do a little research. -- John H. My opinions. #1 weak breaker, but doubtful. #2 defective fan that "drags" a bit too much, but doubtful #3, compressor is having to work extended time due to higher temps. Very possible. #4 not recirculating inside air because the fresh air vent is open ( or at least not closing) drawing moisture causing the evaporator coil to frost over especially in high humidity. #5 it could be a clogged filter, AND/OR clogged condenser coil. That is if it is a used unit. #6 too much freon. If it's been recharged in the past, sometimes they cram too much freon into the thing, because they want it to be colder than cold. But what happens is it over loads the compressor Like previously mentioned, if it's under warranty then nit-pick them to death until they fix it. Thanks Tim. Lots of possibilities, but some of them I can check. I'll do so tomorrow. Thanks again. -- John H. |
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"A Boater" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:13:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Sep 15, 5:47 pm, John H. wrote: Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? -- John H. John, I take it you're talking about your auto air conditioner? What make and model? No, Tim, it's one of these buggers: http://tinyurl.com/69jflb The one on the trailer. Once the outside temp cooled down, in the evening, the AC ran fine. But during the hottest part of the day, the thing would trip the circuit breaker no matter how we adjusted the settings. I found a web site, so I'll do a little research. -- John H. I think your warranty would be expected to cover that. I wouldn't start monkeying with anything until that warranty period is up. Let me see here. You're outside, inside a metal sardine can, in a trailer park full of other metal sardine cans. You're all hooked up to the trailer park's wiring, and you all have your air conditioning on. The voltage is dropping. Hmmm. That's a possibility. A good multimeter would be a handy test tool in that case. Better tell John how to use one to test the voltage at an A/C outlet. |
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Don White wrote:
"A Boater" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:13:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Sep 15, 5:47 pm, John H. wrote: Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? -- John H. John, I take it you're talking about your auto air conditioner? What make and model? No, Tim, it's one of these buggers: http://tinyurl.com/69jflb The one on the trailer. Once the outside temp cooled down, in the evening, the AC ran fine. But during the hottest part of the day, the thing would trip the circuit breaker no matter how we adjusted the settings. I found a web site, so I'll do a little research. -- John H. I think your warranty would be expected to cover that. I wouldn't start monkeying with anything until that warranty period is up. Let me see here. You're outside, inside a metal sardine can, in a trailer park full of other metal sardine cans. You're all hooked up to the trailer park's wiring, and you all have your air conditioning on. The voltage is dropping. Hmmm. That's a possibility. A good multimeter would be a handy test tool in that case. Better tell John how to use one to test the voltage at an A/C outlet. I would recommend that Herring wet two fingernails and stick them in the outlet. If he gets a woody, it's 110. It was very hot one day this past weekend, in the mid 90s. Typically there are voltage drops in the utility wiring when that happens. I know that for several reasons, one of which being the rather substantial UPS I have for electronic appliances. When the power drops a bit, it switches over to the batteries, even if it is just for a couple of seconds. Herring may have some other problem, but I would guess a minor drop in line voltage. I thought our boy was a former Army engineer or something like that. Doesn't he know any science, or is he one of those who believes in cretinism, er, creationism? |
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:50:20 -0300, "Don White"
wrote: "A Boater" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:13:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Sep 15, 5:47 pm, John H. wrote: Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? -- John H. John, I take it you're talking about your auto air conditioner? What make and model? No, Tim, it's one of these buggers: http://tinyurl.com/69jflb The one on the trailer. Once the outside temp cooled down, in the evening, the AC ran fine. But during the hottest part of the day, the thing would trip the circuit breaker no matter how we adjusted the settings. I found a web site, so I'll do a little research. -- John H. I think your warranty would be expected to cover that. I wouldn't start monkeying with anything until that warranty period is up. Let me see here. You're outside, inside a metal sardine can, in a trailer park full of other metal sardine cans. You're all hooked up to the trailer park's wiring, and you all have your air conditioning on. The voltage is dropping. Hmmm. That's a possibility. A good multimeter would be a handy test tool in that case. Better tell John how to use one to test the voltage at an A/C outlet. Even when there are no crowds, Campsite wiring, like marina wiring is always a prime suspect for something such as this. ****forbra... I mean, JohnH, might be at the far end of a very long circuit. When the ice machine at the camp store has to work harder to keep the ice frozen during the day... |
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:17:07 -0400, A Boater wrote:
I would recommend that Herring wet two fingernails and stick them in the outlet. If he gets a woody, it's 110. In his case, I think 240 3-phase would be called for at the minimum. |
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"John H." wrote in message ... Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? -- John H. Seems to me that when you first had this problem we talked about undersized extension cords, undersized house wiring, defective breaker in RV, and low voltage. As I recall, your AC started working and the issue was dropped. Someone said head pressure will increase as ambient temp increases. That's true. So now you have at least 5 potential reasons why you are popping the breaker in the RV. The reason the breaker popped at the campground may be different than why it popped at your house, but let's assume the reason is the same. I think I have laid out the situation properly. If not, correct me. I know there are at least 4 or 5 guys here that would be able to put you on the right track. Would you like some help to resolve the problem? |
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:54:53 -0400, "Raphael"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? -- John H. Seems to me that when you first had this problem we talked about undersized extension cords, undersized house wiring, defective breaker in RV, and low voltage. As I recall, your AC started working and the issue was dropped. Someone said head pressure will increase as ambient temp increases. That's true. So now you have at least 5 potential reasons why you are popping the breaker in the RV. The reason the breaker popped at the campground may be different than why it popped at your house, but let's assume the reason is the same. I think I have laid out the situation properly. If not, correct me. I know there are at least 4 or 5 guys here that would be able to put you on the right track. Would you like some help to resolve the problem? Does is have anything to do with Shredder and his evil henchmen? If it does, I'm your guy. |
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On Sep 15, 6:47*pm, John H. wrote:
Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? -- John H. Check for low freon, it may be freezing the coils up. |
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"A Boater" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: "A Boater" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:13:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Sep 15, 5:47 pm, John H. wrote: Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? -- John H. John, I take it you're talking about your auto air conditioner? What make and model? No, Tim, it's one of these buggers: http://tinyurl.com/69jflb The one on the trailer. Once the outside temp cooled down, in the evening, the AC ran fine. But during the hottest part of the day, the thing would trip the circuit breaker no matter how we adjusted the settings. I found a web site, so I'll do a little research. -- John H. I think your warranty would be expected to cover that. I wouldn't start monkeying with anything until that warranty period is up. Let me see here. You're outside, inside a metal sardine can, in a trailer park full of other metal sardine cans. You're all hooked up to the trailer park's wiring, and you all have your air conditioning on. The voltage is dropping. Hmmm. That's a possibility. A good multimeter would be a handy test tool in that case. Better tell John how to use one to test the voltage at an A/C outlet. I would recommend that Herring wet two fingernails and stick them in the outlet. If he gets a woody, it's 110. It was very hot one day this past weekend, in the mid 90s. Typically there are voltage drops in the utility wiring when that happens. I know that for several reasons, one of which being the rather substantial UPS I have for electronic appliances. When the power drops a bit, it switches over to the batteries, even if it is just for a couple of seconds. Herring may have some other problem, but I would guess a minor drop in line voltage. I thought our boy was a former Army engineer or something like that. Doesn't he know any science, or is he one of those who believes in cretinism, er, creationism? I think he was more into blowing up & destroying things rather than fixing or building them. Can you imagine being out in a rice paddy close to the Viet Cong and knowing John was your close support artillery? Talk about being between a rock and a hard place! |
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Don White wrote:
"A Boater" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: "A Boater" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:13:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Sep 15, 5:47 pm, John H. wrote: Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? -- John H. John, I take it you're talking about your auto air conditioner? What make and model? No, Tim, it's one of these buggers: http://tinyurl.com/69jflb The one on the trailer. Once the outside temp cooled down, in the evening, the AC ran fine. But during the hottest part of the day, the thing would trip the circuit breaker no matter how we adjusted the settings. I found a web site, so I'll do a little research. -- John H. I think your warranty would be expected to cover that. I wouldn't start monkeying with anything until that warranty period is up. Let me see here. You're outside, inside a metal sardine can, in a trailer park full of other metal sardine cans. You're all hooked up to the trailer park's wiring, and you all have your air conditioning on. The voltage is dropping. Hmmm. That's a possibility. A good multimeter would be a handy test tool in that case. Better tell John how to use one to test the voltage at an A/C outlet. I would recommend that Herring wet two fingernails and stick them in the outlet. If he gets a woody, it's 110. It was very hot one day this past weekend, in the mid 90s. Typically there are voltage drops in the utility wiring when that happens. I know that for several reasons, one of which being the rather substantial UPS I have for electronic appliances. When the power drops a bit, it switches over to the batteries, even if it is just for a couple of seconds. Herring may have some other problem, but I would guess a minor drop in line voltage. I thought our boy was a former Army engineer or something like that. Doesn't he know any science, or is he one of those who believes in cretinism, er, creationism? I think he was more into blowing up & destroying things rather than fixing or building them. Can you imagine being out in a rice paddy close to the Viet Cong and knowing John was your close support artillery? Talk about being between a rock and a hard place! I actually thought about that once, a couple of years ago, when it became apparent our boy Herring was a low-brain-outputter. |
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Don White wrote:
"A Boater" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: "A Boater" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:13:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Sep 15, 5:47 pm, John H. wrote: Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? -- John H. John, I take it you're talking about your auto air conditioner? What make and model? No, Tim, it's one of these buggers: http://tinyurl.com/69jflb The one on the trailer. Once the outside temp cooled down, in the evening, the AC ran fine. But during the hottest part of the day, the thing would trip the circuit breaker no matter how we adjusted the settings. I found a web site, so I'll do a little research. -- John H. I think your warranty would be expected to cover that. I wouldn't start monkeying with anything until that warranty period is up. Let me see here. You're outside, inside a metal sardine can, in a trailer park full of other metal sardine cans. You're all hooked up to the trailer park's wiring, and you all have your air conditioning on. The voltage is dropping. Hmmm. That's a possibility. A good multimeter would be a handy test tool in that case. Better tell John how to use one to test the voltage at an A/C outlet. I would recommend that Herring wet two fingernails and stick them in the outlet. If he gets a woody, it's 110. It was very hot one day this past weekend, in the mid 90s. Typically there are voltage drops in the utility wiring when that happens. I know that for several reasons, one of which being the rather substantial UPS I have for electronic appliances. When the power drops a bit, it switches over to the batteries, even if it is just for a couple of seconds. Herring may have some other problem, but I would guess a minor drop in line voltage. I thought our boy was a former Army engineer or something like that. Doesn't he know any science, or is he one of those who believes in cretinism, er, creationism? I think he was more into blowing up & destroying things rather than fixing or building them. Can you imagine being out in a rice paddy close to the Viet Cong and knowing John was your close support artillery? Talk about being between a rock and a hard place! Oh well... later donnie plonk |
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Rowdy Mouse Racing wrote:
Don White wrote: "A Boater" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: "A Boater" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:13:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Sep 15, 5:47 pm, John H. wrote: Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? -- John H. John, I take it you're talking about your auto air conditioner? What make and model? No, Tim, it's one of these buggers: http://tinyurl.com/69jflb The one on the trailer. Once the outside temp cooled down, in the evening, the AC ran fine. But during the hottest part of the day, the thing would trip the circuit breaker no matter how we adjusted the settings. I found a web site, so I'll do a little research. -- John H. I think your warranty would be expected to cover that. I wouldn't start monkeying with anything until that warranty period is up. Let me see here. You're outside, inside a metal sardine can, in a trailer park full of other metal sardine cans. You're all hooked up to the trailer park's wiring, and you all have your air conditioning on. The voltage is dropping. Hmmm. That's a possibility. A good multimeter would be a handy test tool in that case. Better tell John how to use one to test the voltage at an A/C outlet. I would recommend that Herring wet two fingernails and stick them in the outlet. If he gets a woody, it's 110. It was very hot one day this past weekend, in the mid 90s. Typically there are voltage drops in the utility wiring when that happens. I know that for several reasons, one of which being the rather substantial UPS I have for electronic appliances. When the power drops a bit, it switches over to the batteries, even if it is just for a couple of seconds. Herring may have some other problem, but I would guess a minor drop in line voltage. I thought our boy was a former Army engineer or something like that. Doesn't he know any science, or is he one of those who believes in cretinism, er, creationism? I think he was more into blowing up & destroying things rather than fixing or building them. Can you imagine being out in a rice paddy close to the Viet Cong and knowing John was your close support artillery? Talk about being between a rock and a hard place! Oh well... later donnie plonk Ohmigod! Don's been *plonked* by JustWaitaLoogy! The horror of it. Don...will you require therapy for this? :) |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:37:56 -0400, DK wrote: John H. wrote: On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:13:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Sep 15, 5:47 pm, John H. wrote: Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? -- John H. John, I take it you're talking about your auto air conditioner? What make and model? No, Tim, it's one of these buggers: http://tinyurl.com/69jflb The one on the trailer. Once the outside temp cooled down, in the evening, the AC ran fine. But during the hottest part of the day, the thing would trip the circuit breaker no matter how we adjusted the settings. I found a web site, so I'll do a little research. Call the dealer. It's got to be still covered under a warantee. I did. In fact, I stopped by the dealer on the way back. He said if the system showed no problems when they ran it, and the outflow was twenty degrees cooler than the inflow, then they'd do nothing more. Needless to say, I got a little hot. -- John H. John, Here's what little I know about air conditioners in RV's and TT's. On hot days, the head pressure will be highest in the compressor. If it cycles off, then tries to start again before the head pressure bleeds off, it can trip the breaker due to excess current draw. This is why many air conditioners have a label indicating that you should wait 3 min. or so before trying to restart. Some AC units, particularly central air systems have a time delay built in to prevent the compressor from trying to restart too soon. If it was as hot as you indicated, the lack of insulation in your TT could lead to the AC unit trying to restart too soon. If the problem is due to a general voltage droop in the RV park you are in, you can solve that with one of these: http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/parts/r...autoformer.htm Eisboch |
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"jamesgangnc" wrote in message m... Temp does have something to do with it. At higher outside temps ac runs higher pressures. Takes more current to start the compressor. AC copmpressors have to start under a load so they need a lot of current initially. First make sure you have the correct circuit breaker. Then replace if it's old it cause when they get old they blow at lower than rated. Voltage brownout will do it as well. Check and tighten all the connections. None of that works call the service guy cause you're probably not qualified to go any deeper. Exactly. The problem with these rigs when used in travel trailers is the poor insulation of the trailer itself. On hot days the temperature can rise back up over the thermostat setpoint before the head pressure bleeds off. But, I am willing to be his problem was low RV park voltage. Eisboch |
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wrote in message ... On Sep 15, 6:47 pm, John H. wrote: Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? -- John H. Check for low freon, it may be freezing the coils up. ------------------------------------------------------------ He would have little or no air flow if that happened. Eisboch |
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"jamesgangnc" wrote in message m... Temp does have something to do with it. At higher outside temps ac runs higher pressures. Takes more current to start the compressor. AC copmpressors have to start under a load so they need a lot of current initially. First make sure you have the correct circuit breaker. Then replace if it's old it cause when they get old they blow at lower than rated. Voltage brownout will do it as well. Check and tighten all the connections. None of that works call the service guy cause you're probably not qualified to go any deeper. Exactly. The problem with these rigs when used in travel trailers is the poor insulation of the trailer itself. On hot days the temperature can rise back up over the thermostat setpoint before the head pressure bleeds off. But, I am willing to be his problem was low RV park voltage. Eisboch That's what I said yesterday. Congratulations. |
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:22:33 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message .. . On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:37:56 -0400, DK wrote: John H. wrote: On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:13:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Sep 15, 5:47 pm, John H. wrote: Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? -- John H. John, I take it you're talking about your auto air conditioner? What make and model? No, Tim, it's one of these buggers: http://tinyurl.com/69jflb The one on the trailer. Once the outside temp cooled down, in the evening, the AC ran fine. But during the hottest part of the day, the thing would trip the circuit breaker no matter how we adjusted the settings. I found a web site, so I'll do a little research. Call the dealer. It's got to be still covered under a warantee. I did. In fact, I stopped by the dealer on the way back. He said if the system showed no problems when they ran it, and the outflow was twenty degrees cooler than the inflow, then they'd do nothing more. Needless to say, I got a little hot. -- John H. John, Here's what little I know about air conditioners in RV's and TT's. On hot days, the head pressure will be highest in the compressor. If it cycles off, then tries to start again before the head pressure bleeds off, it can trip the breaker due to excess current draw. This is why many air conditioners have a label indicating that you should wait 3 min. or so before trying to restart. Some AC units, particularly central air systems have a time delay built in to prevent the compressor from trying to restart too soon. If it was as hot as you indicated, the lack of insulation in your TT could lead to the AC unit trying to restart too soon. If the problem is due to a general voltage droop in the RV park you are in, you can solve that with one of these: http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/parts/r...autoformer.htm Eisboch Thanks for the info. I guess I need to carry the multimeter in the trailer when I go out. Didn't have it this last time, but I'll have it from now on. My first stop will be to get a new circuit breaker. |
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On Sep 16, 9:34*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Sep 15, 6:47 pm, John H. wrote: Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? -- John H. Check for low freon, it may be freezing the coils up. ------------------------------------------------------------ He would have little or no air flow if that happened. Eisboch That's true. |
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:32:21 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"jamesgangnc" wrote in message om... Temp does have something to do with it. At higher outside temps ac runs higher pressures. Takes more current to start the compressor. AC copmpressors have to start under a load so they need a lot of current initially. First make sure you have the correct circuit breaker. Then replace if it's old it cause when they get old they blow at lower than rated. Voltage brownout will do it as well. Check and tighten all the connections. None of that works call the service guy cause you're probably not qualified to go any deeper. Exactly. The problem with these rigs when used in travel trailers is the poor insulation of the trailer itself. On hot days the temperature can rise back up over the thermostat setpoint before the head pressure bleeds off. But, I am willing to be his problem was low RV park voltage. Eisboch I'm hoping you're correct! But, I'll probably never know for sure. Maybe the dealer will find a bad capacitor or something. But I'm going to change the circuit breaker first. |
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:32:21 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "jamesgangnc" wrote in message m... Temp does have something to do with it. At higher outside temps ac runs higher pressures. Takes more current to start the compressor. AC copmpressors have to start under a load so they need a lot of current initially. First make sure you have the correct circuit breaker. Then replace if it's old it cause when they get old they blow at lower than rated. Voltage brownout will do it as well. Check and tighten all the connections. None of that works call the service guy cause you're probably not qualified to go any deeper. Exactly. The problem with these rigs when used in travel trailers is the poor insulation of the trailer itself. On hot days the temperature can rise back up over the thermostat setpoint before the head pressure bleeds off. But, I am willing to be his problem was low RV park voltage. Eisboch I'm hoping you're correct! But, I'll probably never know for sure. Maybe the dealer will find a bad capacitor or something. But I'm going to change the circuit breaker first. Easter egg hunting is not a good troubleshooting method, and it could get costly. You need a good multimeter that is capable of reading at least 30 amps AC and AC volts. Keep in mind amps are read in series. Meaning you have to break open a circuit or use a clamp on pickup or if the Air Conditioner unit plugs into an outlet, instead of being hardwired, you can use an adapter with the clamp on pickup or a killowatt type of device to take readings. |
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"A Boater" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:13:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Sep 15, 5:47 pm, John H. wrote: Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? -- John H. John, I take it you're talking about your auto air conditioner? What make and model? No, Tim, it's one of these buggers: http://tinyurl.com/69jflb The one on the trailer. Once the outside temp cooled down, in the evening, the AC ran fine. But during the hottest part of the day, the thing would trip the circuit breaker no matter how we adjusted the settings. I found a web site, so I'll do a little research. -- John H. I think your warranty would be expected to cover that. I wouldn't start monkeying with anything until that warranty period is up. Let me see here. You're outside, inside a metal sardine can, in a trailer park full of other metal sardine cans. You're all hooked up to the trailer park's wiring, and you all have your air conditioning on. The voltage is dropping. Hmmm. That's what I had happening with my old 35' Chris Craft at our marina. Too much draw on old, corroded wiring (marina wiring that is). |
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"jim" wrote in message ... John H. wrote: On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:32:21 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "jamesgangnc" wrote in message m... Temp does have something to do with it. At higher outside temps ac runs higher pressures. Takes more current to start the compressor. AC copmpressors have to start under a load so they need a lot of current initially. First make sure you have the correct circuit breaker. Then replace if it's old it cause when they get old they blow at lower than rated. Voltage brownout will do it as well. Check and tighten all the connections. None of that works call the service guy cause you're probably not qualified to go any deeper. Exactly. The problem with these rigs when used in travel trailers is the poor insulation of the trailer itself. On hot days the temperature can rise back up over the thermostat setpoint before the head pressure bleeds off. But, I am willing to be his problem was low RV park voltage. Eisboch I'm hoping you're correct! But, I'll probably never know for sure. Maybe the dealer will find a bad capacitor or something. But I'm going to change the circuit breaker first. Easter egg hunting is not a good troubleshooting method, and it could get costly. You need a good multimeter that is capable of reading at least 30 amps AC and AC volts. Keep in mind amps are read in series. Meaning you have to break open a circuit or use a clamp on pickup or if the Air Conditioner unit plugs into an outlet, instead of being hardwired, you can use an adapter with the clamp on pickup or a killowatt type of device to take readings. Heh .... I drafted a post for John, describing the old Navy "Easter Egging" technique of troubleshooting, and recommended he do a more logical series of tests, but then I realized that people need to do what they need to do, so I deleted the post. I doubt very much his circuit breaker is bad. Could be wrong, but there are other things I'd check first. But, I have a feeling he's going to claim the problem as being fixed after he replaces it. For a while. Then, sometime in the future when conditions are similar to that he wrote about, the problem will return. Eisboch |
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"A Boater" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:13:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Sep 15, 5:47 pm, John H. wrote: Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? -- John H. John, I take it you're talking about your auto air conditioner? What make and model? No, Tim, it's one of these buggers: http://tinyurl.com/69jflb The one on the trailer. Once the outside temp cooled down, in the evening, the AC ran fine. But during the hottest part of the day, the thing would trip the circuit breaker no matter how we adjusted the settings. I found a web site, so I'll do a little research. -- John H. I think your warranty would be expected to cover that. I wouldn't start monkeying with anything until that warranty period is up. Let me see here. You're outside, inside a metal sardine can, in a trailer park full of other metal sardine cans. You're all hooked up to the trailer park's wiring, and you all have your air conditioning on. The voltage is dropping. Hmmm. That's what I had happening with my old 35' Chris Craft at our marina. Too much draw on old, corroded wiring (marina wiring that is). Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem. The simplest solution is usually the best. For a guy who claims he has an engineering background, Herring surely is unscientific. |
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:01:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"jim" wrote in message ... John H. wrote: On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:32:21 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "jamesgangnc" wrote in message m... Temp does have something to do with it. At higher outside temps ac runs higher pressures. Takes more current to start the compressor. AC copmpressors have to start under a load so they need a lot of current initially. First make sure you have the correct circuit breaker. Then replace if it's old it cause when they get old they blow at lower than rated. Voltage brownout will do it as well. Check and tighten all the connections. None of that works call the service guy cause you're probably not qualified to go any deeper. Exactly. The problem with these rigs when used in travel trailers is the poor insulation of the trailer itself. On hot days the temperature can rise back up over the thermostat setpoint before the head pressure bleeds off. But, I am willing to be his problem was low RV park voltage. Eisboch I'm hoping you're correct! But, I'll probably never know for sure. Maybe the dealer will find a bad capacitor or something. But I'm going to change the circuit breaker first. Easter egg hunting is not a good troubleshooting method, and it could get costly. You need a good multimeter that is capable of reading at least 30 amps AC and AC volts. Keep in mind amps are read in series. Meaning you have to break open a circuit or use a clamp on pickup or if the Air Conditioner unit plugs into an outlet, instead of being hardwired, you can use an adapter with the clamp on pickup or a killowatt type of device to take readings. Heh .... I drafted a post for John, describing the old Navy "Easter Egging" technique of troubleshooting, and recommended he do a more logical series of tests, but then I realized that people need to do what they need to do, so I deleted the post. I doubt very much his circuit breaker is bad. Could be wrong, but there are other things I'd check first. But, I have a feeling he's going to claim the problem as being fixed after he replaces it. For a while. Then, sometime in the future when conditions are similar to that he wrote about, the problem will return. Eisboch Give me a break! I don't usually make a lot of claims that aren't true. Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else. The new circuit breaker costs $12 bucks. I won't know if that's the problem until we get another 95 degree day. If the problem returns, then I'll know it wasn't the circuit breaker. Unlike some other folks, I have no problem with being wrong. If the problem reoccurs, I'll let you know. |
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:54:53 -0400, "Raphael" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... Gone four days and back to 853 messages. Over 300 from one individual. Had a great time at Virginia Beach. Saw lots of boats. Will post pictures of some when I get the chance. Air conditioner kept popping the circuit breaker when the temp was hovering around 95 yesterday. Anyone know anything about air conditioners? -- John H. Seems to me that when you first had this problem we talked about undersized extension cords, undersized house wiring, defective breaker in RV, and low voltage. As I recall, your AC started working and the issue was dropped. Someone said head pressure will increase as ambient temp increases. That's true. So now you have at least 5 potential reasons why you are popping the breaker in the RV. The reason the breaker popped at the campground may be different than why it popped at your house, but let's assume the reason is the same. I think I have laid out the situation properly. If not, correct me. I know there are at least 4 or 5 guys here that would be able to put you on the right track. Would you like some help to resolve the problem? The problem may have been due to the heat, but I don't remember the temperature when I first had the problem. Most folks thought the problem then was caused by having the trailer connected to house wiring (20 amp). But this time I was connected to 30 amp. I'm thinking that outside temp may be the common theme to both problems. Sure! I thought you were an engineer. Any graduate engineer should be able to figure out a simple electrical problem. Even an English major grad could do that. No wonder we lost that war. |
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