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On Sep 14, 2:33*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message

untouched for a long period of time. And those capitol gains can only be
written off up to the the capitol losses + $1000.

my heart bleeds for them.

Huge part of the middle class gets the benifits of Capitol gains taxes.

and everyone gets benefits from the middle class having a living wage
and living in economically stable communities. you, however, seem to
ignore that.


Fact is, everybody gets the bennies. *If you invest in a business or stock
ownership, and do not day trade, you get the benifit. *And most of the
middle class is invested in the stock market one way of the other. *Plus the
point of capitol gains is to get CAPITOL invested.

first of all, it's not CAPITOL gains, it's CAPITAL gains.

and the rich get the benefit of having a stable country when the
middle class is stable...unless you want the US to wind up like
mexico. that country give the GOP an orgasm. about 15 families own
the country and everyone else works for dogmeat wages.

perfect mccain territory.

*All those jobs created
in the last at least 1000 years are from some person investing capitol and
time in a business. *I owned a business at one time and the employees were
very happy to have a job and get a paycheck each week.

and if they kidnapped a member of your family for ransom...as is
common in mexico...would you be telling us how wonderful it is that
they earn a slave wage?


As to Obama saying he is
going to cut taxes for 95% of the people. *Impossible. *Only 45% pay income
tax in the first place.

absolutely wrong. leo bartels of princeton university has just
published a book showing that wages grow under democratic presidents
faster than they do under GOP presidents.


*You have to elect legislators who do not waste
money. *And the Republicans with the help of the Dem's over 7 of the last 8
years have wasted lots. *The Dem's in charge of the checkbook the last year,
and they have not slowed down waste. *40 of the last 50 years have been
Dem's in charge of the checkbook. *

and the 2 biggest spenders in US history?

GOP presidents ronald 'i'm senile but everything is OK' reagan, and
george 'what, me worry?' bush.

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On Sep 14, 3:03*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message

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*As to Obama saying he is going to cut taxes for 95% of the people.
Impossible. *Only 45% pay income tax in the first place.

You just said a mouthful.

He's really describing another form of government, namely Socialism.


you're a socialist. why are you opposed to him being one?

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wrote in message
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You are not middle class, Einstein, and you clearly have no clue as to
what the middle class is faced with.


Absolute BS. Sorry.

But, it's interesting, in a sad way.

Eisboch

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On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:33:49 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

Plus the
point of capitol gains is to get CAPITOL invested.

You mean capital. Capitol is a building, or a city.

Casady

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"wf3h" wrote in message
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On Sep 14, 2:56 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:

So, I go about making a living. Like most, I worked hard and took
advantage
of opportunities. But one thing I *never* did was complain about those
that
had more than I, nor did I envy them or the "rich".

WHOA tall dark stranger. NO ONE is comlaining about those who have
'more than i'. what i'm complaining about is complacent idiots like
you who place all blame on the middle class, on unions, etc. and
completely exculpate the enrons, the bear stearns, the oil
companies...the numerous companies that lay off hundreds of thousands
of people...destroy whole communities

THEN bribe politicians to keep health care private, little or no re-
education funding, etc. you're in incompetent shill who just loves a
good fairy tale.

My point is that I subscribe to and fully support the freedoms we have to
pursue any level of achievement, financial or otherwise that we set for
ourselves. It's not always easy, but as long as we have the freedom to
aspire, we can make that choice.

really?

then, pray tell, why are virtually no students admitted to ivy league
schools from working class families? what do you do with places like
findlay, ohio, or pittsburgh that are wiped out by corporate
abandoment?

why are the right to work states also those with the highest
illiteracy, highest rates of teen pregancy, lowest wages, etc. why do
those who believe as YOU do wind up at the bottom end of the economic
ladder, all the while telling us how successful they are?


My biggest concern about the current Democratic party philosophy, and
particularly that of Obama, is that, if elected, we are going to rely more
on government to cure our middle class problems.

ROFLMAO!! hey moron..it seems to work for the rich. everytime the RICH
get into trouble, they tell us that they're too important to
fail...witness bear stearns. THEN they rely on the GOP and the govt to
cure THEIR problems

you, with your fairy tale mentality, can't handle that. it blows your
fuse to even consider it. you're a socialist. you're just too dumb to
realize the socialism you're in favor of is socialism for the rich.


This will, by default,
further classify us, average us, and take away the incentives of
individual
initiative. In other words, another giant step towards socialism.

I am firmly convinced that Obama is an unannounced socialist, BTW.

well, then...you and he have something in common, because, so are you.

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People never cease to amaze me in how they can take words and twist them
around to satisfy their positions. And then, for added emphasis, have to
call others "morons", "dumbfochs", "idiots" and on and on ad nauseum.

Have fun .... I am out.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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As to Obama saying he is going to cut taxes for 95% of the people.
Impossible. Only 45% pay income tax in the first place.


You just said a mouthful.

He's really describing another form of government, namely Socialism.

All his speeches, writings and comments drip of the signals. If he is
elected and the Dems truly get control of the Congress, we are in for some
major "Changes".

Eisboch

I hope so. Anything would be better than the bull**** we have seen for the
last 8 years that, evidently, dumbasses like you have supported. In case you
have been blindered by the propaganda, Bush has made every effort to make
our republic into a dictatorship. Try your fear tactics somewhere else.

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On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:15:13 -0700, Fred J. McCall
wrote:

Peter Skelton wrote:

:On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:55:18 -0700, Fred J. McCall
wrote:
:
:Peter Skelton wrote:
:
::On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:00:23 -0700, Fred J. McCall
wrote:
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::Taxes based on income should be flat. They distort the economy the
::least that way and allow it to function closer to its optimum levels.
::
::
::That, of course, is a religious statement, devoid of proof and
::unprovable.
::
:
:No, Peter, that is a basic fact, as you would know if you knew
:anything at all about Economics.
:
:Another religious statement, followed by a flat lie. If you have
:a proof, show it.
:

No 'religious' statement and no lie.

Where and when did you get your degree in economics, Peter?

So now you're attempting to appeal to expertisde gained in your
time in the seminary? Religious statement followed by lie, as I
said.

One can find economists who agree with Fred on this, and others
who don't. It is trivial to prove that, in a very low income
society, a flat tax doesn't work. It's also not hard to prove
that, in a very high income society, it's the best. As there is
no proven definition for high or low income in the context of
these theories, and no way to prove such a definition belief in
their application to the US is religious, not scientific.


Peter Skelton

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On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:17:45 -0700, Fred J. McCall
wrote:

Peter Skelton wrote:

:On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 09:02:22 -0700, Fred J. McCall
wrote:
:
:"Eisboch" wrote:
:
::
::"wf3h" wrote in message news:28a17e74-ce4b-455d-b265-
::
::the BIG difference is that NONE of my income is from capital gains!!
::how much of middle class income do you think comes from capital gains?
::
:
:Start taxing capital gains at an even more confiscatory level and see
:just what happens to "much of middle class" retirement.
:
::
::that's EXACTLY why the rich set up this system...so they wouldnt have
::to pay taxes, knowing full well that most of THEIR income is from
::capital gains, while middle class income comes from actually WORKING
::for a living
::
:
:Yes, the wealthy never do anything, do they? Makes you wonder how
:they got and stayed wealthy...
:
::
::---------------------------------
::
::It's amazing to me to witness the different views of capital gains and
::capital gains taxes.
::
::Some see it your way. Others see the reduction of the capital gains
::penalty (taxes) as a means to encourage investment into the general economy
::which, turns out, promotes growth, employment and new opportunities.
::
::The fact that you have never figured out how to take advantage of it doesn't
::mean it's bad for all.
::
:
:In point of fact, capital gains is a PUNITIVE tax. The rich didn't
:put it in place. Morons like Eisboch did.
:
:Bull**** Fred.
:

Bull**** yourself, Peter.

:
:Capital gains are income,
:

Which has already been taxed once before it gets treated as capital
gains.

No Fred. The entity being taxed is the one having the income, it
has not yet been taxed.
:
:you are a believer in
:flat tax aren't you?
:

Define what YOU mean by 'flat tax' and perhaps we could see.

You brought up the term, if you have some special meaning, you
define it.

But you're too busy being insulting and squealing to hold a real
conversation with...

:
:Flat tax is an especially odious form of voodoo economics.
:

Thus speaks ignorance...

So you've never studied economics?


Peter Skelton

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On Sep 12, 8:16*pm, WaIIy wrote:
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:00:09 -0400, "Raymond O'Hara"





wrote:

"Tiger" wrote in message
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Raymond O'Hara wrote:
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Baba Wawa acted like her servants delivered her cold coffee or
something. What a maroon.

she acted like the lournalist she used to be and asked tough questions
and she refused to accept pat bull**** answers

The View, home of great journalism??? Sorry, but when I hear make dumb as
comments about Slavery from Whoopi, you lose all credibilty. Those hags
have a agenda as left as yours......

we aren't talking about whoopi, we are talking about barbara walters. she is
still a highly respected journalist

Keyword - "Used to be"

she asked hard right to the point questions and he tried to lie his way out
of it. and barbara didn't let him.
and a lot of women watch the view, it is a very highly rated show.

I agree - in the nursing homes and prisons.



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Roy Blankenship wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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As to Obama saying he is going to cut taxes for 95% of the people.
Impossible. Only 45% pay income tax in the first place.

You just said a mouthful.

He's really describing another form of government, namely Socialism.

All his speeches, writings and comments drip of the signals. If he is
elected and the Dems truly get control of the Congress, we are in for some
major "Changes".

Eisboch

I hope so. Anything would be better than the bull**** we have seen for the
last 8 years that, evidently, dumbasses like you have supported. In case you
have been blindered by the propaganda, Bush has made every effort to make
our republic into a dictatorship. Try your fear tactics somewhere else.

I guess personal responsibility and self sufficiency is lost on a
majority of the US population. Soft and lazy and always with your hand
out for another crumb from the government.