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On Sep 14, 12:03*am, Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:


Precisely, everyone should pay an equal tax.

'equal' does not necessarily mean 'fair'. you were right the 1st time:
everyone should pay a fair tax

*Any disparity, any
exclusion, deduction, exemption, credit, or dependency allowance creates
special interests and an inequity.

that's true. and we, as a society, have decided that things like
raising kinds, health insurance, having a viable middle class, are
values that we want to promote via having them as special interests.
and that is fair.

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On Sep 14, 12:30*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
frank wrote:

:
:Bull****. Take a decent economics course, if they offer any anymore.
:

I have a degree in the field, Frank. *You're an idiot.

:
:Progressive income tax with higher rates for richest is the way to go.
:Flat tax is worst on the poor. Hell everybody agreed on that until
:these stupid Republicans under Reagan took over.
:

Wrong. *Progressive taxes are the MOST distortive to market forces.
Flat taxes distort the least and hence are the way to go.

?? why does allowing people to buy homes and feed and educate their
kids 'distort' the market? that's why the middle class should pay less
than the ultrawealthy. that's what a progressive tax permits. the
existence of a middle class.

Because he actually understand what you do not; non-flat taxes on
income distort the economy.

and taxing the middle class, while allowing an increasing accumulation
of wealth by the richest 0.1% of our society is destroying the middle
class in this country. middle class incomes haven't increased in 30
years, after adjusting for inflation. in the last 8 years,
productivity has increased about 20% but none of that increase has
gone to the middle class, while the wealthy have increased their share
of the national wealth.


:
:To
:help the middle class? Hell no. He has no clue how you live. Neither
:does McCain or his wife. Anybody got a quarter mil earrings for the
:wife lately? Thought not. Well, you can thank the Reagan / Bush tax
:cuts for them getting richer and richer and ****ing away more than
:you'd pay on a house for ear candy.
:

Jealousy is SO ugly, Frank. *You and your "eat the rich; the poor are
tough and stringy" crowd make me nauseous. *Where do you think the
jobs come from?

that would be nice if unemployment hadn't increased 30% under bush's
tax cut policy


:
:Look at how many people are millionaires or billionaires. And how many
:Americans have lost their jobs or houses? These tax cuts are killing
:the US
:

Now go look at who is paying the taxes, Frank...


the rich only want to focus on payroll taxes. when you include ALL
taxes, the middle class is being hammered.

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On Sep 14, 12:17*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
wf3h wrote:

:On Sep 13, 7:46*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
:the poor?"
: :
:
: And the answer is "they shouldn't". *Income tax should essentially be
: like a tithe; everyone pays the same percentage (and you only tax the
: income ONCE).
:
:nope. won't work. the middle class has certain basic expenses that
:consume a far larger portion of their income versus the extremely
:wealthy. a flat tax would decrease the viability of the middle class
:

Nonsense. *Of course it would work. *The middle class would probably
even get to pay less than they pay now.

nonsense. of course it won't work. the middle class would probably pay
more under a flat tax than they pay now.

see. i can do that too!

ANY taxation scheme can be made to work, including the rather
preposterous Rube Goldbergery we operate under now.

Where do people get the idea that the wealthy apparently just sit on
their money or bury it or some such silliness?

why do the rich think the middle class doesn't deserve enough money to
buy a house, feed their kids, and have a car after working so hard?
why are the rich biased against an honest day's work?

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On Sep 13, 11:36*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message

...
On Sep 13, 1:07 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:





hk wrote:
:Fred J. McCall wrote:
: wf3h wrote:

: :
: :c'mon harry...don't you have the $5,000,000 that mccain says makes
: :you middle class?
: :
:
: I think that's a great level at which to say taxes shouldn't be
: increased.
:
: You WANT to pay more taxes? I think we need a program that lets you
: folks pick your own tax rate and not steal from the rest of us...
:
:
:I think anyone with income of more than $5 million a year ought to be
:paying twice the amount of taxes they're paying now.
:

Why?

--

why not? the largest increase in marginal tax rates occurs on the
middle class. the wealthy get a tax rate of 15% on capital gains
(which is alot less than the middle class pays) AND gets to write off
losses. they get the best of all worlds.

Same 15% you get to pay on capitol gains. *

EXACTLY!!! gee even YOU get it!! thank you!!

the BIG difference is that NONE of my income is from capital gains!!
how much of middle class income do you think comes from capital gains?
that's EXACTLY why the rich set up this system...so they wouldnt have
to pay taxes, knowing full well that most of THEIR income is from
capital gains, while middle class income comes from actually WORKING
for a living

They have left the investment
untouched for a long period of time. *And those capitol gains can only be
written off up to the the capitol losses + $1000.

my heart bleeds for them.

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On Sep 14, 12:10*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
wf3h wrote:

:On Sep 13, 1:07*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:: hk wrote:

: :Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : wf3h wrote:
:
: : :
: : :c'mon *harry...don't you have the $5,000,000 that mccain says makes
: : :you middle class?
: : :
: :
: : I think that's a great level at which to say taxes shouldn't be
: : increased.
: :
: : You WANT to pay more taxes? *I think we need a program that lets you
: : folks pick your own tax rate and not steal from the rest of us...
: :
: :
: :I think anyone with income of more than $5 million a year ought to be
: :paying twice the amount of taxes they're paying now.
: :
:
: Why?
:
:
:why not? the largest increase in marginal tax rates occurs on the
:middle class. the wealthy get a tax rate of 15% on capital gains
:(which is alot less than the middle class pays) AND gets to write off
:losses. they get the best of all worlds.
:

And you think their only income is capital gains? *You REALLY need to
learn something about money.

and you think they actually WORK for a living?


And 'why not' is the stupidest reason to do something imaginable.

and 'equal tax' is the stupidest reason to tax the middle class

Hey, why not just keep slaves? *

we're already there. the US has destroyed labor unions and turned the
middle class into vassals. you have your wish

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On Sep 14, 12:19*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
wf3h wrote:

:On Sep 13, 12:44*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:: wf3h wrote:

:
: :On Sep 13, 12:43*am, "Calif Bill" wrote:: "wf3h" wrote in message
:
: :
: ...
: : On Sep 12, 9:55 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
: :
: : which she inherited. unlike mccain, i've worked for everything i have.
: : that's why mccain wants to take what i have and give it to his rich
: : buddies. he, like all republicans, hates the middle class.
: :
: : Maybe you should have become a gigolo. *Then your jealousy would not rear
: : it's ugly head.-
: :
: :and mebbe members of the GOP should quit lecturing people on the moral
: :superiority of the rich.
: :
:
: And maybe you should stop lying about things that never happened.
:
:
:you mean mccain's not a gigolo?
:
:when did he get an honest job?
:

You know, you really are far too stupid to bother with. *I can see a
lot of idiots are going to need to be binned over the next 90 days...


i love it when i get killfiled. the morons think that, by not
responding to my arguments, they defeat them. like sticking your
fingers in your ears and yelling "NAH, NAH, NAH'.

freddie's offended by my assessment, but ignores mccain's panhandling,
and lies about obama.

that mean's he's a republican.

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"wf3h" wrote in message news:28a17e74-ce4b-455d-b265-

the BIG difference is that NONE of my income is from capital gains!!
how much of middle class income do you think comes from capital gains?
that's EXACTLY why the rich set up this system...so they wouldnt have
to pay taxes, knowing full well that most of THEIR income is from
capital gains, while middle class income comes from actually WORKING
for a living

---------------------------------

It's amazing to me to witness the different views of capital gains and
capital gains taxes.

Some see it your way. Others see the reduction of the capital gains
penalty (taxes) as a means to encourage investment into the general economy
which, turns out, promotes growth, employment and new opportunities.

The fact that you have never figured out how to take advantage of it doesn't
mean it's bad for all.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"wf3h" wrote in message
news:28a17e74-ce4b-455d-b265-

the BIG difference is that NONE of my income is from capital gains!!
how much of middle class income do you think comes from capital gains?
that's EXACTLY why the rich set up this system...so they wouldnt have
to pay taxes, knowing full well that most of THEIR income is from
capital gains, while middle class income comes from actually WORKING
for a living

---------------------------------

It's amazing to me to witness the different views of capital gains and
capital gains taxes.

Some see it your way. Others see the reduction of the capital gains
penalty (taxes) as a means to encourage investment into the general
economy which, turns out, promotes growth, employment and new
opportunities.

The fact that you have never figured out how to take advantage of it
doesn't mean it's bad for all.

Eisboch



Damm it! Didn't mean to continue the cross post. Didn't notice until
after I hit send. Sorry about that.

Eisboch

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Yes, and you know JFK changed that because it was ****ing up the
economy so badly, right?

No Fred you're a liar and an idiot.

He cut taxes as there was no government spending or deficit at the
time and he was concerned that there would be too much money in the
Federal treasury and that would distort the economy.

We have not been in that condition since.

With the rising debt (doubled under this idiot), and the interest in
the debt, up to $405 billion this year, WE NEED TO **** CAN the tax
cuts. WHY DO YOU THINK REAGAN HAD THE LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN HISTORY
RIGHT AFTER HE HAD THE LARGEST TAX CUT? IT DID NOT WORK. IT WAS VOODOO
ECONOMICS. Bush I was right in that case.

You may think you have a degree in the field but you're an idiot who
doesn't know what he's talking about.

Go back in your cage and play with your feces until its feeding time.

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Eisboch wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"wf3h" wrote in message
news:28a17e74-ce4b-455d-b265-

the BIG difference is that NONE of my income is from capital gains!!
how much of middle class income do you think comes from capital gains?
that's EXACTLY why the rich set up this system...so they wouldnt have
to pay taxes, knowing full well that most of THEIR income is from
capital gains, while middle class income comes from actually WORKING
for a living

---------------------------------

It's amazing to me to witness the different views of capital gains and
capital gains taxes.

Some see it your way. Others see the reduction of the capital gains
penalty (taxes) as a means to encourage investment into the general
economy which, turns out, promotes growth, employment and new
opportunities.

The fact that you have never figured out how to take advantage of it
doesn't mean it's bad for all.

Eisboch



Damm it! Didn't mean to continue the cross post. Didn't notice until
after I hit send. Sorry about that.

Eisboch


Sheet man. I almost plonked you by mistake