John R. Carroll wrote:
wrote:
On Sep 12, 5:14 pm, "Hawke"
wrote:
CLINTON dropped the ball on this one.

snip

How come you don't address the fact that Clinton
could
have gotten
OBL a
number of times but didn't? Was it above his pay
grade?
(Good thing
OBL
didn't change his name to "Vince Foster")

Don't confuse Ms Carrol with the ugly truth.

Your "truth" is a lie told originally by NewsMax. Read
the
9/11 Commission Report for the truth.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_...tatement_5.pdf
(bottom of page 3):

If you think that by informing our right wingers of the
truth about
the subject it will have any effect on their beliefs you
are out of
your mind. The point is those guys don't care about the
truth so
informing them won't do any good. They believe what they
want to
believe and even if you show them they are wrong they
still won't
change their minds. That's just the way they are.

Hawke

The truth of your free health care is that I get to pay
for mine and
I get to pay for yours.

A study coming out Tuesday from scholars at Columbia,
Harvard, Purdue
and Michigan projects that 20 million Americans who have
employment-based health insurance would lose it under the
McCain plan.

There is nothing secret about Senator McCain's
far-reaching
proposals, but they haven't gotten much attention because
the chatter
in this campaign has mostly been about nonsense -
lipstick,
celebrities and "Drill, baby, drill!"

For starters, the McCain health plan would treat
employer-paid health
benefits as income that employees would have to pay taxes
on.

"It means your employer is going to have to make an
estimate on how
much the employer is paying for health insurance on your
behalf, and
you are going to have to pay taxes on that money," said
Sherry Glied,
an economist who chairs the Department of Health Policy
and
Management at Columbia University's Mailman School of
Public Health.

Ms. Glied is one of the four scholars who have just
completed an
independent joint study of the plan. Their findings are
being
published on the Web site of the policy journal, Health
Affairs.

http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2008/0...ice-the-price/

According to the study: "The McCain plan will force
millions of
Americans into the weakest segment of the private
insurance system -
the nongroup market - where cost-sharing is high, covered
services
are limited and people will lose access to benefits they
have now."

The net effect of the plan, the study said, "almost
certainly will be
to increase family costs for medical care."

Under the McCain plan (now the McCain-Palin plan)
employees who
continue to receive employer-paid health benefits would
look at their
pay stubs each week or each month and find that additional
money had
been withheld to cover the taxes on the value of their
benefits.

The amount that would be withheld could be as much as $300
to $400 a month.

This is, quite simply, a McCain-Palin regressive tax
increase.